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Well at that point he has done better for you than he did for us so fair's fair n all that.

If he does keep you up but bankrupts the club or flucks it up in some other catastrophic way then I reserve the right to recall my statement.

You doubt me Caniggia....Derby fans always moan win. lose or draw. I do think we'd not use the excuse as much as you lot though and do think our academy would offer us a few options. Also, blooding some youngsters so we had some long term benefits from our plight. Resiliency I think is the word.

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Doubt it a little 2W!

I don't get how some people on here were calling for SC, SOD, AMc and SM to all be sacked after a few months or weeks but can then argue that Billy has not had enough time?

In all Bill's time at Forest he has done nothing to suggest pautomatic romotion is a possibility and we have spent enough money for that to be the case, in my opinion.

I do not want him sacked now but if he fails to get us up again why is it a good idea to give him another season and another 6 million?

As for the suggestion he is the best person for the job right now, how can you assess that? You have no idea who else would be prepared to do the job or who we would get and how well they would do.

Its just people desperately trying to justify their blind faith. I agree with Vidal's "burn the heretic" comment. People get leaped on for suggesting BD is not the greatest manager of all time, despite there being some credible evidence.

In all Bill's time at Forest he has done nothing to suggest pautomatic romotion is a possibility and we have spent enough money for that to be the case, in my opinion

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I don't think that's true. Going in to the Leicester game we had every chance but that's when the worst if the injuries kicked in. In his first season top two was looking on. But two already strong squads added in Jan we didn't,

This idea that a lot of those that dislike Billy have that anyone who won't slag everything he does off has been brainwashed or thinks he's some sort managerial super hero is daft. A lot of people just think he's done a decent job for us. And he's a better than most of the managers we've had in recent history.

The majority of people are between the two extremes but get pigeon holed by those that hold views at extremities of each side. With our second bad run of the season, combined by a few off the field things and his ban; he's gradually losing backing slowly from those in the middle though.

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/173223

It's like looking at the negative of a photograph

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He's taking a leaf out of WAGBO's book there

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How is it not normal? Nice to get a bit of context to the debate, and what I see is that you were slating O'Driscoll after only five months in the job and Red was telling you to stick by your club and the manager; now it's the polar opposite, but you're here now pretending that it's all about being a Forest fan and that your stance is nothing to do with it being Billy Davies in the hotseat... yet it is ALL to do with Billy Davies, isn't it?!!

#ManCrush

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Davies should read gomis on the transfers bit!

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He was the bloodtymanager and should have been telling the players what was expected and how to go about it, not having bloody 11 different opinions for a disscussion
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I think that's where our game has gone wrong, this whole attitude that we want some strong patriarch to tell kids what to do and demand they act like robots, obedient to their orders, devoid of any independent thinking at all in a game.

Was it Shankly who said he hardly ever had to tell his team what to do, if something wasn't working they'd sort it out themselves on the pitch?

I think this is why footballers are so devoid of personality and full of cliche's and struggle when their careers are over, they've been told what to do, what to think and so de-humanised by our feudal approach to football.

You need moments of leadership in football but this can be done on a collective basis with player input. The more responsibility players are given the more likely they are to develop an intelligence, their own leadership skills and a creativity and 'voice' in their play.

I'd argue we don't need managers anymore the role is defunct, the squad and a small collection of coaches, mentors and tacticians should be able to collectively hold it down.

....am i ranting again

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....but Clough came from a time when there was more obedience to an authority figure, we're still trying to use that model today ... it doesn't work,

Transitioning from a dumb loyalty to a more autonomous approach takes time and the interim period can be a nightmare but long term it's far more fruitful and efficient IMO.

I think there needs to be leadership at half time, you have 15 mins - 5 mins for the players to succinctly voice their thoughts on what's going on; 5 mins for feedback from 1-2 nominated people say a tactician and a motivator from the coaching staff and 5 mins to prepare for the next half n have a pi$$ too if needed.

I don't think it has to come from one voice, plus if you've nurtured an independent team and squad you don't have to worry about motivating them too much, they should all be self motivated.

Too long to explain this in a post ... but leadership yes manager not needed....

IMHO

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...and yet when Billy's team put in a garbage performance like on Saturday, and someone like Strett mentions it, it's them 'finding a stick to beat the manager with' isn't it, Rev?

"Billy's TOO honest"

.....n Man Utd are reaping the repurcussions of a person centred manager now, in terms of his power hungry move with the Glaziers maybe they'll be reaping it for a lot longer.

Look at the intelligence of players at Barca compared with our players, move with the times, obedience doesn't always equal humility.

Billy's too honest...lots of lolz there....

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Well done Rev .....it's taken you a whole day to finally get to some clam thought out posting .... You see what happens when you let the Rams touchy feely concern for your plight envelope you .

Much love to you all . And we hope Billy finishes the job

I'll let you get the 100

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