Yep, that has to be the end of Dernbach now - too many big overs lost at crucial times. If England had chased 180 like they should have been, they'd have won today.

Time to ditch some of the old guard now.

Lumb
Hales
Ali
Morgan
Buttler
Bopara
Jordan
Bresnan
Broad
Tredwell
Dernbach

Marco,
Treadwell has generally bowled tidily in the short format. Broad has not bowled well in this tournament, but I would keep him as there no better replacements. Agree with all other ratings.

Robbie, I agree Tredders is a decent 'steady eddie' but is 32/33 and will never be a regular wicket taker. I'd rather see Rafiq @ Yorkshire given a go.

Hales
Kieswetter
Root/Bell
Morgan
Buttler
Bopara
Stokes
Jordan
Broad
Rafiq
Overton

3 overs for 44.. that's 15 and over. blimey someone for god sake put him out of his misery

Wicket tats tho innit

* Wicked

I think you were right first time.he as wickets on body but none in the book.. All Dernbach as in the book next to his name are 4s and 6s

Thing is marco.. everyone knows what derbach is about.. why on gods green earth did England ever pick him again? why after the previous 30 matches or so when hes been cannon fodder..

Who knows mate, bottles it under pressure too, same as Bresnan.

Time for Broad to take more responsibility.

Real question that needs to be asked is why is Englands supposedly best bowler Broad not bowling in the power plays or at the death?

Its so obvious that's hes protecting his crappy stats. Coward player.

ya know if ya had a game.. you put the players into cannons and blasted them off into space.. Jade dernbach would end up other side of the galaxy.
Bloody useless piece of sh^t

Who should replace Dernbach and Bresnan for the short format?

Robbie,

You can start with KP instead of Dernbach.. Even he can bowl better than useless Dern

You cannot pick on a single player. English cricket is just not good enough at the moment. The players get selected and who does the selecting! Old Guard!!!! Look at the situation now, defeat in one of our strongest disciplines and yet the man in charge of that discipline is now going to become the overall England Coach. You could not make this stuff up. A case of who you know runs rife throughout Cricket.

I don't like Dernbach however i was watchin sky sports review and they mentioned that he almost bowls all his overs at the death or in the powerplays. Surely management should see that hes just not very good at bowling in them stages.

If they want him in the team just bowl him in the middle stages and get his confidence back up

The amount of times Dernbach should have been binned, but returns is ridiculous.

He and Bres definitely need to go.

If we had a half decent bowling attack we'd be a dangerous team.

I thought Bresnan played well yesterday

Jeez, are we going to lose to the Dutch even without Dernbach? Our problems seem to run deeper than I thought.

Well at least Big Tim has got the chance now to really earn his place now........oh sorry....had

Seriously, we should take a break from all forms of cricket for a year. Today's defeat was utter humiliation.

Englund

R.I.P United Nations/Sa (b team)