unless its a hall of shame or hall of failure or hall of embarrassment wenger does not belong on that list

I would swap out Merson for Keown

You've put David Rocastle in twice (15th and 20th)

comment by Perfect Cell (U9880)
posted 5 minutes ago
unless its a hall of shame or hall of failure or hall of embarrassment wenger does not belong on that list
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What about Henry, Vieira, Pires etc... how can they be hits if the man who actually bought them to the club wasnt?

comment by Dr Cunni & Mr Lingus (U3072) posted 4 minutes ago
You've put David Rocastle in twice (15th and 20th)
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I like him that much


Edited Keown for second Rocky.

comment by Perfect Cell (U9880) posted 10 minutes ago
unless its a hall of shame or hall of failure or hall of embarrassment wenger does not belong on that list
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I used to thing you were just another pathetic poster shouted as loud as you can and ruining as many articles as possible. But it is now appartent you are just a Wum.

Whether it was an Arsenall hall of fame, an English, British, European or World football one. Arsene Wenger, love him or hate him, would be in it.

Here's the honest truth - I think Chapman should be first, Wenger second.

Wenger's legacy has been more or less exclusive to Arsenal style of play and trophy count (no jokes, please), but Chapman's work on formations, tactics and approach to management completely changed football forever. Not to mention his input into Arsenal's kit colours.

Wenger's legacy has been more or less exclusive to Arsenal style of play and trophy count (no jokes, please), but Chapman's work on formations, tactics and approach to management completely changed football forever. Not to mention his input into Arsenal's kit colours.
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I disagree, Wenger completely changed the way football was played in England. He took the boozy, laddish culture out of the game, changed diets, drinking and social habits. His approach to the game added years onto the careers of the players he inherited.

comment by Ozilla Fireinthebox (U18382)
posted 1 minute ago
Wenger's legacy has been more or less exclusive to Arsenal style of play and trophy count (no jokes, please), but Chapman's work on formations, tactics and approach to management completely changed football forever. Not to mention his input into Arsenal's kit colours.
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I disagree, Wenger completely changed the way football was played in England. He took the boozy, laddish culture out of the game, changed diets, drinking and social habits. His approach to the game added years onto the careers of the players he inherited.
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Agreed, but even then you could argue that it was still more or less limited to this country - he was essentially helping the UK catch up to the rest of the world.

But Chapman's input was felt worldwide - there isn't a single country that didn't change their approach after he brought in the W-M formation.

Agreed, but even then you could argue that it was still more or less limited to this country - he was essentially helping the UK catch up to the rest of the world.

But Chapman's input was felt worldwide - there isn't a single country that didn't change their approach after he brought in the W-M formation.

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True that but one could say that with limited knowledge of football then it was "easier" to revolutionise it whereas in the 90's when the game was already global, it's much harder since everyone has ideas or most of the good ideas have already been taken up.

And further to that, you could make the point that Chapman actually changed the manager's role - before his arrival at Arsenal, he insisted on being allowed to choose the team and formation; before him the side was picked by cricket-style selection boards.

He was also responsible for the change in name of Gillespie Road tube station to Arsenal, and he had input into the creation of the Clock End, West Stand and turnstile system at Highbury.

comment by Koscielny Patented Proof Readers (U7373)
posted 31 minutes ago
Here's the honest truth - I think Chapman should be first, Wenger second.

Wenger's legacy has been more or less exclusive to Arsenal style of play and trophy count (no jokes, please), but Chapman's work on formations, tactics and approach to management completely changed football forever. Not to mention his input into Arsenal's kit colours.
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Totally agree with this. Also, when he took over Arsenal had never won anything. When Wenger took over we had just won the league etc. Not saying Wenger shouldnt be on the list, he should be, but Chapman is number one by a very long way.

comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Koscielny Patented Proof Readers (U7373)
posted 31 minutes ago
Here's the honest truth - I think Chapman should be first, Wenger second.

Wenger's legacy has been more or less exclusive to Arsenal style of play and trophy count (no jokes, please), but Chapman's work on formations, tactics and approach to management completely changed football forever. Not to mention his input into Arsenal's kit colours.
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Totally agree with this. Also, when he took over Arsenal had never won anything. When Wenger took over we had just won the league etc. Not saying Wenger shouldnt be on the list, he should be, but Chapman is number one by a very long way.
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There's that, as well. When Chapman took over, we'd existed as a football club for 39 years and had no claim to success whatsoever; when Wenger arrived it had only been three years since our last trophy.

Chapman and Wenger would have been best mates.

RIP Rocky

Im sure I put that last comment on another thread, but true anyway.

There are other things about Chapman and wenger no one has mentioned. Both were key in major changes in English football, mainly in relation to tactics and the way the team was managed. Chapman revolutionised formations and the club. I think he moved them from Woolwich to Highbury. Wenger revolutionised the way the players were managed including bringing in special diets and changed the way football was played in this country. He has now moved us from Highbury to the Emirates.

I know he took backhanders & managed our lovely neighbours but George Graham should be on their imo

Paul Davis