There is very little chance of getting Ancelotti anyway, he will be given at least another season at Madrid even if they don't win anything this year. LVG is the man for the job!
van gaal seems to be the front runner at the moment, I believe
Ancelotti is a distant third in my choice for manager after LVG and Klopp.
Ya it looks that way and he could be a great appointment. I'm just saying Carlo might not be the saviour that a lot seem to think he would be.
I think ancellotti and van galls experiance would put them ahead of the likes of klopp and simione
I think most want LVG or Klopp. Ancelotti is probably third choice
Tbh I was leaning more towards Ancelotti as my 2nd choice behind Klopp but the more I read and hear about LvG, it's him who I'd want if we can't lure Klopp away from Dortmund.
LvG as the evidence proves is a builder of great teams. Someone with a set philosophy who will give the club a direction and an identity from that we haven't had this season and even during the last few years under SAF to a certain extent and given his proven record in developing and promoting youth, I'd be very excited to see what his plans would be for our youth system.
He's someone who if he came in, should leave a very stable platform for the next man to build further upon, ideally that man would be Klopp.
I've asked this question a few times and no one has really answered it: what does the Ancelotti package really involve? We know his achievements and that everyone says he's an impressive individual. Other than that, we don't really have a sense of what he stands for, his philosophy, methods. Or at least, I don't. I'm sure he's highly qualified for the job. But I don't know his values in the way I think I know LVG's.
Maybe someone can fill that in for me? Or maybe it's a case of him being a more pragmatic coach rather than a man with strong views about the system he wants to play.
Ancelotti is a yes man. Look at the regimes he has managed under - Chelsea, Milan, Juventus, Madrid. All have owners/directors who call the shots.
I would be more concerned with a klopp appointment than I would with ancellottii. Klopp is obviously a very talented coach and has done great things with dortmund but what experiance has he outside of germany. Ancellotti like van gaal has worked and been successful in other top leagues not to mention ancellottis pl success with chelsea.
utd cant risk another season like this and need to go for the tried and proven. Klopp despite his talent is an unknown quantity outside of germany and would be a gamble compared to the senior candidates.
TRS
I am increasingly enthusiastic about LVG for the same reasons. In fact, I think a lot of us, even when we were at our best under Fergie, had a sneaking admiration for possession-base teams. E.g. in that semi-final against Barcelona it was a great defensive performance, tactically well set up, but we could never say we played them off the park. It would excite me to see us going forward with a style that emphasised having control of midfield.
In this respect, I wonder whether Klopp is the logical heir to the new dynasty founded by LVG. His football is more counter-attacking. In some ways, Guardiola is more of an exponent of the LVG / Dutch school.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
In this respect, I wonder whether Klopp is the logical heir to the new dynasty founded by LVG. His football is more counter-attacking. In some ways, Guardiola is more of an exponent of the LVG / Dutch school.
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I wouldn't subscribe to that.
BD are devastating on the counter and it is designed to work against teams who try to play Barca style with risk free passing and high field position.
Where BD are unquestionably the stronger side they have no issue with relentless attacking/pressure rather than relying on the counter. 2nd leg v Madrid as an example.
The more I read about Van Gaal the more i think he's the man. I'd have him above Ancelotti and even Mourinho tbh.
Where BD are unquestionably the stronger side they have no issue with relentless attacking/pressure rather than relying on the counter. 2nd leg v Madrid as an example.
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You could say the same about most of Mourinho's sides though, or Fergie's contrasting approaches to big games and minnows. LVG makes a point of trying to achieve dominance in the possession stakes, very much like Guardiola. Klopp doesn't come from the same tradition.
In this respect, I wonder whether Klopp is the logical heir to the new dynasty founded by LVG. His football is more counter-attacking. In some ways, Guardiola is more of an exponent of the LVG / Dutch school.
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I think that's a valid point RR but not something that would really concern me if Klopp was to take over from LvG.
Definitely above Mourinho. He can win games but he can't win games well. Great managers can manage both.
As if Ancelotti would leave the possible treble winners for Midtable Utd
TRS, me neither. More a point of academic interest.
Difference with Mourinho's sides though is that on paper they are strongest 95% of the time given the amount of money his squads cost.
GeoffArsenal (when you have finished laughing hysterically), I think you'll find that most United fans are realistic enough to believe Ancelotti would only be an option if he were victim of Real Madrid's annual sack the manager fiesta.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 15 minutes ago
Definitely above Mourinho.
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If you are on about Ancelotti, no he isn't.
No, LVG. Comment just came after a number inbetween.
If you want a Chelsea fan input my theory with Carlo is he is good until your team need rebuilding.
09-10 every player hit form, Carlo gave them freedom and we won the title playing great football, the next season a lot of players stagnated, the team started to slide and he just simply didn't know how to fix it.
So given your squad needs major rebuilding i would say Carlo is amoung the last of the top managers you need right now, the club that would suit him most right now would be City.
Why hasn't Hiddink been mentioned? top top manager and would reduce some of them egos down in that dressing room
Josh, Hiddink is already signed up to take over from LVG after the WC. I think he's done with managing club sides now. Great manager though.
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posted on 25/4/14
There is very little chance of getting Ancelotti anyway, he will be given at least another season at Madrid even if they don't win anything this year. LVG is the man for the job!
posted on 25/4/14
van gaal seems to be the front runner at the moment, I believe
posted on 25/4/14
Ancelotti is a distant third in my choice for manager after LVG and Klopp.
posted on 25/4/14
Ya it looks that way and he could be a great appointment. I'm just saying Carlo might not be the saviour that a lot seem to think he would be.
posted on 25/4/14
I think ancellotti and van galls experiance would put them ahead of the likes of klopp and simione
posted on 25/4/14
I think most want LVG or Klopp. Ancelotti is probably third choice
posted on 25/4/14
Tbh I was leaning more towards Ancelotti as my 2nd choice behind Klopp but the more I read and hear about LvG, it's him who I'd want if we can't lure Klopp away from Dortmund.
LvG as the evidence proves is a builder of great teams. Someone with a set philosophy who will give the club a direction and an identity from that we haven't had this season and even during the last few years under SAF to a certain extent and given his proven record in developing and promoting youth, I'd be very excited to see what his plans would be for our youth system.
He's someone who if he came in, should leave a very stable platform for the next man to build further upon, ideally that man would be Klopp.
posted on 25/4/14
I've asked this question a few times and no one has really answered it: what does the Ancelotti package really involve? We know his achievements and that everyone says he's an impressive individual. Other than that, we don't really have a sense of what he stands for, his philosophy, methods. Or at least, I don't. I'm sure he's highly qualified for the job. But I don't know his values in the way I think I know LVG's.
Maybe someone can fill that in for me? Or maybe it's a case of him being a more pragmatic coach rather than a man with strong views about the system he wants to play.
posted on 25/4/14
Ancelotti is a yes man. Look at the regimes he has managed under - Chelsea, Milan, Juventus, Madrid. All have owners/directors who call the shots.
posted on 25/4/14
I would be more concerned with a klopp appointment than I would with ancellottii. Klopp is obviously a very talented coach and has done great things with dortmund but what experiance has he outside of germany. Ancellotti like van gaal has worked and been successful in other top leagues not to mention ancellottis pl success with chelsea.
utd cant risk another season like this and need to go for the tried and proven. Klopp despite his talent is an unknown quantity outside of germany and would be a gamble compared to the senior candidates.
posted on 25/4/14
TRS
I am increasingly enthusiastic about LVG for the same reasons. In fact, I think a lot of us, even when we were at our best under Fergie, had a sneaking admiration for possession-base teams. E.g. in that semi-final against Barcelona it was a great defensive performance, tactically well set up, but we could never say we played them off the park. It would excite me to see us going forward with a style that emphasised having control of midfield.
In this respect, I wonder whether Klopp is the logical heir to the new dynasty founded by LVG. His football is more counter-attacking. In some ways, Guardiola is more of an exponent of the LVG / Dutch school.
posted on 25/4/14
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
In this respect, I wonder whether Klopp is the logical heir to the new dynasty founded by LVG. His football is more counter-attacking. In some ways, Guardiola is more of an exponent of the LVG / Dutch school.
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I wouldn't subscribe to that.
BD are devastating on the counter and it is designed to work against teams who try to play Barca style with risk free passing and high field position.
Where BD are unquestionably the stronger side they have no issue with relentless attacking/pressure rather than relying on the counter. 2nd leg v Madrid as an example.
posted on 25/4/14
The more I read about Van Gaal the more i think he's the man. I'd have him above Ancelotti and even Mourinho tbh.
posted on 25/4/14
Where BD are unquestionably the stronger side they have no issue with relentless attacking/pressure rather than relying on the counter. 2nd leg v Madrid as an example.
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You could say the same about most of Mourinho's sides though, or Fergie's contrasting approaches to big games and minnows. LVG makes a point of trying to achieve dominance in the possession stakes, very much like Guardiola. Klopp doesn't come from the same tradition.
posted on 25/4/14
In this respect, I wonder whether Klopp is the logical heir to the new dynasty founded by LVG. His football is more counter-attacking. In some ways, Guardiola is more of an exponent of the LVG / Dutch school.
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I think that's a valid point RR but not something that would really concern me if Klopp was to take over from LvG.
posted on 25/4/14
Definitely above Mourinho. He can win games but he can't win games well. Great managers can manage both.
posted on 25/4/14
As if Ancelotti would leave the possible treble winners for Midtable Utd
posted on 25/4/14
TRS, me neither. More a point of academic interest.
posted on 25/4/14
Difference with Mourinho's sides though is that on paper they are strongest 95% of the time given the amount of money his squads cost.
posted on 25/4/14
GeoffArsenal (when you have finished laughing hysterically), I think you'll find that most United fans are realistic enough to believe Ancelotti would only be an option if he were victim of Real Madrid's annual sack the manager fiesta.
posted on 25/4/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 15 minutes ago
Definitely above Mourinho.
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If you are on about Ancelotti, no he isn't.
posted on 25/4/14
No, LVG. Comment just came after a number inbetween.
posted on 25/4/14
If you want a Chelsea fan input my theory with Carlo is he is good until your team need rebuilding.
09-10 every player hit form, Carlo gave them freedom and we won the title playing great football, the next season a lot of players stagnated, the team started to slide and he just simply didn't know how to fix it.
So given your squad needs major rebuilding i would say Carlo is amoung the last of the top managers you need right now, the club that would suit him most right now would be City.
posted on 25/4/14
Why hasn't Hiddink been mentioned? top top manager and would reduce some of them egos down in that dressing room
posted on 25/4/14
Josh, Hiddink is already signed up to take over from LVG after the WC. I think he's done with managing club sides now. Great manager though.
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