Not calling Griffo a Knób for getting his shots on target by the way

Incidently Ricketts hit the post more than anyone, 3 times.

So in summary, lets sell wasteful Sako and get somebody who can actually shoot, and give Dave a 6 year contract but remove his goal bonus.

I don't care a jot what the stats say.

"Sako certainly seems he earns the ''greedy'' tag some have given him, not very efficient to be honest either, of all our players to have played a good amount of minutes, only Doyle is more wasteful(which is no surprise anyway)."

That's partly because Clarke's stats are doctored. You've either given him an extra goal or used his shots on target to calculate his ratio instead of total shots as you've used for everyone else.

Whether the stats are interesting or not is for each individual to decide but the interpretation of what they are saying seems bizarre. Efficiency is just not an important stat to me. If one guy has ten shots and scores twice and another has one shot and scores once then the second guy presumably is more efficient. But I have never yet seen a game where 1 goal beats 2.

Bully used to miss loads of chances every season but who cares. It's how many you score that matters, not how many you miss.

46 matches
103 points
2.23913043478 points/match
POSITION NUMBER ONE
The only stat that means anything Cinci

comment by Cinciwolf (U11551)

posted 7 hours, 17 minutes ago

So in summary, lets sell wasteful Sako and get somebody who can actually shoot, and give Dave a 6 year contract but remove his goal bonus.

Couldn't agree less Cinci.

Sako's goals are a bonus, his main function as you well know is to provide assists and no-one has provided more this season.
Sako's shots at goal, whether on or off target, also mark him as a danger man for defences, ergo, the more times he draws the defence the more chance the others have to score.
His value to the team is immeasurable in my opinion and we should not sell him unless someone comes in with an offer we just can't refuse.

Agree about renewing Deadly Dave's contract though

What this shows to me is that:

a - the stats are wrong
b - the stats are useless for analysing results or individual player value
c - football is not baseball

I wasn't being serious gem . I thought the six year Edwards deal would be a hint.

Just an interesting little analysis DJ, not putting too much on it to be honest, more a little fun with some numbers.
Though regarding players that shoot more than pass, not something that is neccessarily productive, we could be more efficient as a team if the right pass was chosen over a poorly executed shot. Not saying that is the case with Sako but I bet a lot of those missed efforts are from outside the box after charging at the defence.
Likewise Evans, someone must have told him he has a good shot once upon a time

Clarke's should read 14 in the ratio column lizard

Sako certainly seems he earns the ''greedy'' tag some have given him, not very efficient to be honest either, of all our players to have played a good amount of minutes
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Though regarding players that shoot more than pass, not something that is neccessarily productive, we could be more efficient as a team if the right pass was chosen over a poorly executed shot.
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Not saying that is the case with Sako

- thats ok then, you almost fooled me into believing you were saying that about Sako for a minute

No, the stats tell us he does shoot more than anyone and is more wasteful.
Its up to you how you want to interprete that, i am torn on it personally as he certainly carries quite a threat, but he has definitely left me shaking me head with poor decisions also.

I think players should get out on the pitch and kick the ball into the ol' onion bag, rather than worry too much about statistics on paper. Once they start analysing the game too much, a chance might have passed them by, and they'd be as much use if they were sat in a science lab with calculators.

Creativity, skill, and intuition is what I seek from attacking players.

3 smileys in your last post, Cinci!

Antagonistic.

Sorry bute oh sorry again

I think stats can play a part in the game, and its only a step forward from what coaches are doing now, analyzing performances, is player A wasting good break aways, is player B passing instead of shooting more and so on.

Not sure there are any real shocks in those stats.

For instance Edwards arriving late in the box is always going to be on the end of clearer/easier chances than Sako cutting in and shooting from range and the way we set up with two deep lying midfielders is always going to mean that those players offer less of a goal threat.
Likewise the role Doyle was playing meant he was always going to have fewer chances from more difficult areas than Griffiths did.

Interesting, yes, surprising, no.

Tatter has spotted one of the several flaws in the OPs analysis of his stats. Sako is often required to spark the team and generally his shots are from chances he had created himself outside the area. He is not getting many tap ins from 5 yards or being played through into the area with just the keeper to beat. Whereas both dicko and hitman dave have both benefited from Sako's creativity.

But on the analysis of cinci's posting record consistently paying for the sale of Sako whilst defending Clarke and saying he needs time to come good and should be retained for the championship I have reached the conclusion that he is drunk or crazy

Unfair. It is possible to be both!

Your first paragraph makes a very good argument for what i am saying GB, if he used the ball more wisely rather than blazing one from 30 yds Edwards and dicko would likely have scored more goals

With your theory that it is completely irrelevant, we may as well have Evans smash in 300 shots a season, as he will bag us ten goals in the process.........after all, that's the number that matters isn't it?

PS. Careful suggesting I am anti Sako, i have an agenda remember and love everything Stale has touched if you listen to some

sorry cinci yr right, sako's selfishness will be the reason he has no assists this season. how foolish of me

Could have had more assists if he hadn't been so selfish perhaps

PS. Careful suggesting I am anti Sako, i have an agenda remember and love everything Stale has touched

What is ironic and sad is that you try to get some cred by being negative about the only successful signing Stale made. I am sure one day you will back the right horse

Oh i always seem to back the right horse

Ironic though that as ever, it is you that alters the mood of a thread with your high and mighty attitude.

Poyet working wonders again i see.

Yes hats off to Poyet he has done an excellent job. Kudos also goes to Ellis Short; despite a run of 6 wins in 26 he stuck to his guns, backed his man and will reap the rewards next season.

Sunderland could so easily have had a knee-jerk reaction when the Sunderland results were embarrassingly poor, and sacked Poyet.

He has shown how it is perfectly possible to turn round fortunes with determination.

Food for thought..?