Okay so it seems that Rosberg had already pulled the same trick in Bahrain that Hamilton did in Spain? Even.

Hamilton though doesn;t have to 'park' his car to get a pole position. Rosberg it seems does

Piquet and Mansell better than Hamilton? Do me a favour.......

go - cellino

did i say specifically piquet and mansell ? , come to think of it did you ever see piquet and mansell -

however ---------- there can be little doubt that hamilton and rosberg will never aspire to the greatness of the other pair of drivers i mentioned

Hmmm did I ever see Piquet and Mansell? I started watching F1 in the early 70s.
Were they about in F1 after that time or before, I can't remember. You will have to remind me. After all you are the fountain of all knowledge on this site. Cheeky 'see you next tuesday'. You odious twerp.

go cellino

hey mind your manners sport -- no need to insult people just because you are behind the safety of your computer screen - only cowards do that

if you want a debate about mansell and piquet , rosberg/hamilton --- prost and senna / i will be happy to oblige you if you have the guts to debate with me instead of calling me infantile names
---------- do you have the guts

MA, just because I haven't posted on this site for a while does not give you the excuse to question if I had even seen Piquet and Mansell. That sort of assumption just asks for insults. On another thread you had an inability to understand what everyone else could get and you would not let that drop. As if you were implying I knew nothing about it and therefore had no right to make any comment. This also contributed to the insult here.
It you would consider apologizing for your lack of respect for a fellow poster, I will withdraw the insult.

go cell

ok sport lets do this
-- when you initially replied to this topic you were very dismissive of mansell and piquet in what was a much tougher era with much harder machines to drive than the little point and squit things than the current drivers have been blessed with for the last few yrs ,
which made me wonder if you actually watched the turbo era of the 80s with the viscous power delivery and lack of downforce in comparison to a current machine -

-------- hence my question did you actually watch the mansell and piquet era , maybe if you had gave me a proper initial reply to start with i might have thought you were a little more knowledgeable -

that still does not entitle you to call people infantile school playground names from behind the safety of a computer screen
------ as i said only cowards do that

do you want to debate your initial point about piquet and mansell , i am sure we can have a intelligent debate without the infantile name calling

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go cell

not quite sure where i said mansell was better than hamilton ever could ever be
-- to be honest i was more comparing prost and senna with rosberg and hamilton when i said that and we both know i am correct on that score ,
however when you look at mansells and piquet"s career in depth i believe they would have been a good match for the current duo -

think you will find that ground effects were no longer around in the mid 80s when the turbo era was at its most powerful and active suspension never worked properly until williams first applied it in the early 90s on there FW14B machine

and seriously what is it that the likes of mansell would have to contend with now in a current car --- a few extra buttons and applications on a steering wheel , to even suggest that a driver of yesterday would have been to thick to comprehend a few more applications on a steering wheel is just laughable in the extreme and an insult to any drivers intelligence -

have no doubt that any driver in any era could have handled older cars , however with the exception of alonso there is nothing to suggest to me that the current crop are anything special let alone coming remotely close to prost and senna -

as for your infantile name calling and my so called criticising other peoples comments
------ this is a sports forum and as supposedly adults with an adult mentality we are all allowed to question other peoples formula 1 related comments which is indeed what i sometimes do and people do back to me which is all part and parcel of being part of a formula 1 forum with different opinions on related formula 1 subjects -

----------- as i said only a coward loses his self esteem and dignity and resorts to infantile insults when he can think of no other reply as opposed to the intelligent debate i prefer

I'm not sure how you cope martial. All these people clamouring for your approval, you should start charging for the "Martial seal of approval"

I assume a topic about the race is on its way, what with only one Mercedes driver having the intelligence to drive a broken car. Pitting cos the brakes had gone, prfff in my day

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We know you are martial, we hang off your every word hoping for gems of knowledge. Essentially the championship is pointless, we should just ask you for the outcome as it would save the little teams so much money.

If only there was more time to learn from you, there simply is to much for you to teach us

nsix

now you are just being contrary nsix --

however --------------- anytime you require my wisdom and knowledge feel free to ask and i will try and oblige

Could you perhaps tell us how Austria will suit which drivers. I don't want to look silly by backing an unintelligent no hope!

nsix

in all honesty i know about as much about the current red bull ring as anybody else here - used to be quite a fearsome track when it was the old circuit but i believe it has been made less fearsome in recent years -

still looks a quick track from what i can remember of it and it will be hard to back against the 2 merc walla"s -

N_six0six is correct in that there is no future in arguing with you SPORT. You are obviously the oracle we should all be turning to for answers to anything related to F1.
However I am certainly not trying to gain your approval, I am not worthy.

Just a thought, what do you think of the RBT factory in MK, you know the place over the road from RBR? What I like about the place compared to clinical whiteness of Mclaren for instance, is the much friendlier atmosphere there and much less clinical don't you think.
And as for the Mercedes HPE factory in Brixworth. I can't get over the amount of machinery in there or the size of it compared to the Ilmor factory from whence it came.
Mind you clinical or not that place in Wokingham is truly impressive. Even more so now with the road car factory alongside it.
I bet people clamour round you when you go to these places to gain some small part of your infinite wisdom and knowledge don't they?

go cellino

come on now sport no need to be a sore loser , you were dismissive of mansell and piquet so i gave you my opinion -

we talked about active suspension and ground effects which were not around at the height of the turbo era , had to put you strait on your laughable comment that a driver of a couple of decades ago would not be able to press a few more buttons on a current F1 steering wheel -

------- as for your non related silly questions about the various F1 factories because i put you strait on a couple of related points that we were debating that put your nose out of joint because you could not counter those points

Not unrelated.... just wondering what you thought of those places when you go to give them the benefit of your vast knowledge.....

Martial is banned from F1 for just making the cars to fast.

If we were to say Martial was active suspension, then Newey would be FRIC suspension, a poor comparison.

go cell

so basically you have googled red bull and merc factories and now want me to do the same so we can break bread over what we have both googled together

n six

the extent of my own car designing knowledge goes as far fixing a puncture in my clapped out ratty 9 year old halfords pushbike that i ride everywhere for fitness reasons -
------------ i kid you not n six

I'm not like you MA who has to Google everything. I have been to those factories in pursuit of my work.
You go and Google RBR/RBT and see if it tells you the name of the receptionist on the RBT site.
I don't imagine it does, but anyone who has been there would remember her name.

n six0six

Penelope Pitstop????

Irishgreen.... if only it were

Begins with a T

go cell

not even sure why you changed the subject to the red bull factory as it was completely unrelated to our initial debate concerning mansell and piquet -
---------- was i supposed to be impressed because you have been on a day trip or whatever to wherever around milton keynes ?