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watched both clips before you posted , froch comes across as a decent down to earth bloke , pretty clear he fancies at least one more big pay day in vegas against chavez or ward , no way that one or the other fight will not happen -
he will probably go down as our( englands) greatest ever boxer should he cement his legacy with a win against either of those two on there home turf --
groves was very dignified in defeat , after the right hand he took he could never really be anything else without looking like a pram handle --
Frochs last 2 fights IMO
Chavez in Vegas later this year
Degale at the city ground next summer
If Froch does beat Ward (unlikely) then it will surpass anything Calzaghe achieved IMO.
agree kash....froch has to be held as an ATG now.....
beats ward....then best brit of all time possibly.....!?!?
Froch has already surpassed Cal in terms of achievement. Not saying he is a better fighter, but Cal spent the vast majority of his career fighting bums in the uk. Wins against Kessler and Hopkins are his best, and the Hopkins fight was razor thin. He has his undefeated record, but Froch has been fighting the best in the division in their backyards.
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Alongside his brilliant record and globe trotting achievements the right hand that finished Groves elevates Froch to British ATG status no question. His record stands above Joe’s now in my mind.
There are several points to consider of his victory on Saturday.
1) The magnitude of the event (as Carl likes to say), bringing with it pressure that neither fighter will have coped with before now.
2) The fact that despite what so many Froch lovers have posted on here, he was up against a superior boxer packing more speed, movement and power.
3) For me Froch was losing the fight. A cagey tactical affair, but the truth is stats show Groves landed significantly more punches and hurt Froch at least twice.
4) More than any other British fighter I’ve ever seen, Froch can recover from huge shots insanely quickly. We’ll never know what it felt like for Groves in there, but having landed so many great shots across the two fights and still have Froch snarling and throwing back at him must have an affect on confidence.
5) Knock out of the year. Perfectly timed and delivered, exactly when it was needed as Groves dominated rounds 7 and 8. Groves himself admitted (to his eternal credit) he was unconscious when he hit the deck.
So there you have it Froch’s the main man as far as UK SMW’s are concerned. Its such a shame he talks like a compete twerp.
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Brilliant knock out punch to win the fight but even the sun shines on a dogs ar$e somedays.
Froch or Calzaghe - Calzaghe every day of the week.
In terms of talent - Calzaghe, in terms of record - Froch.
Froch would lose to Ward again, but Joe ain't got a prime Ward equivalent on his record.
So if Froch gets a deseved payday / swansong in Vegas.................
As a Saint fan I'm interested to what you guys think might be next for Groves??
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posted 57 minutes ago
Froch has already surpassed Cal in terms of achievement. Not saying he is a better fighter, but Cal spent the vast majority of his career fighting bums in the uk. Wins against Kessler and Hopkins are his best, and the Hopkins fight was razor thin. He has his undefeated record, but Froch has been fighting the best in the division in their backyards.
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Disagree Calzaghe ended up as a unbeaten 2 weight champion. He dominated Kessler and would have done the same had they fought in Denmark too.
He beat Hopkins in Las Vegas. He did also beat Roy Jones Jr but he was clearly passed it.
Froch best away performance was probably against Arthur Abraham and Abraham is a decent champion but no where near the best.
Had the two fought it's clear that Calzaghe would be too quick and smart for Froch in 12 rounds.
However if Froch was to beat Ward then that would surpass anything fighter Calzaghe beat. I can't see Froch going anywhere near Ward anyway. He is looking at the much easy option in Chavez Jr.
Panda, Groves has superior power to Froch? How on earth could you come to that conclusion?
I have said on many occasions that Groves has better technical boxing ability than Froch. But there is more to boxing than pure fundamentals. Chin, stamina, mentality, power are all part of being an elite fighter. What Froch lacks in technique, he makes up in other areas. So much so that the only fighter he hasn't beaten is considered one of the best p4p in the world, and deservedly so. Ward is an exceptional boxer. He belongs up there with Mayweather and Hopkins.
Froch's comnents post fight did leave a bad taste in the mouth, but Groves was extremely disrespectful in the build up to both fights.
What can be debated when you compare his record witj Calzaghe? It's a no contest. Calzaghe is better than his record shows, but he is the one to blame for thst.
Spur, its subjective I admit.
But on what I've seen of both fighters over the years (Froch since he beat Pascal and Groves since he beat Anderson), Groves appears the technically cleaner harder puncher to me. His jab alone stands fighters up rigid.
Generally, Froch is heavy handed but he inflicts damage culminativley over the course of a fight. You can take all this with a pinch of salt tho, as we all saw Froch's right hand eh? haha
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if froch was better out of the ring....he'd be as loved as hatton was imo....
but fack me does his mouth let him down....most of what he says is cringeworthy.....
Calzaghe has beaten domestic world champions in Eubank, Woodhall and Ried before dominating the best in the world division. Froch beat Groves but how good is Groves really? Groves is not even proven at world level. He might win a world title in future or he might end up being a domestic/European level fighter.
Froch has been in 3 fights where he has been totally schooled. The obvious one is Ward but in the first fight against Groves he was well beaten and the same against Taylor before a 12th round K.O stole victory. Fair play to Froch for fighting back but I don't think he will surpass Calzage.
The Groves win is nice because it was at Wembly. He beat groves in the first fight, by stoppage. Many boxing people thought the stoppage, though premature, saved Groves from inevitable punishment.
So you argue he got schooled by Taylor and Groves, despite knocking both out in very decisive fashion.. okay.
Calzaghe dominated the division once the best in that division had either moved up or vacated. Froch lost to Ward, but at least he fought him. Why didn't Cal fight Jones, Hopkins, Toney when they were bossing the division? And many thought the Reid fight was a robbery at the time. I think Calzaghe was a great fighter, but I can't see how he has achieved more than Froch. It is ridiculous even.
One guy fought literally EVERY possible challenge in the division, back to back, home and abroad. The other spent 90% of his career fighting out of the UK against mediocre guys, finally stepping up against Kessler and two old fighters in Jones and Hopkins.
What does Calzaghe have over Froch beside his '0'?
Hopkins was a middleweight and Roy Jones was at light-heavy and above.
Why not say why didn't Froch fight Golovkin and Kovalev?
Jones was number one in Calzaghe's division when Cal held a world title belt. Neither Golovkin nor Kovalev hold belts in Froch's division.
How about Calzaghe's show boating against a washed up Jones? That was pathetic.
No, he wasn't.
Roy vacated his Super middleweight title in 1996 and moved up to light-heavyweight.
Joe only won the super-middleweight title after beating Eubank in 1997.
Know your boxing
As for Toney he moved to light-heavyweight in 1995 when Calzaghe was a pro for only 2 years and had only 14 fights.
Hopkins has never held the super middleweight title.
Calzaghe unified the division, something Ward or Froch, or anyone else I think has done before or since.
Joe is also a two weight lineal champ.
Fair enough, I was barely a teenager back then. Are you saying Cal fought the best available opposition at his weight?
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posted on 1/6/14
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watched both clips before you posted , froch comes across as a decent down to earth bloke , pretty clear he fancies at least one more big pay day in vegas against chavez or ward , no way that one or the other fight will not happen -
he will probably go down as our( englands) greatest ever boxer should he cement his legacy with a win against either of those two on there home turf --
groves was very dignified in defeat , after the right hand he took he could never really be anything else without looking like a pram handle --
posted on 2/6/14
Frochs last 2 fights IMO
Chavez in Vegas later this year
Degale at the city ground next summer
posted on 2/6/14
If Froch does beat Ward (unlikely) then it will surpass anything Calzaghe achieved IMO.
posted on 2/6/14
agree kash....froch has to be held as an ATG now.....
beats ward....then best brit of all time possibly.....!?!?
posted on 2/6/14
Froch has already surpassed Cal in terms of achievement. Not saying he is a better fighter, but Cal spent the vast majority of his career fighting bums in the uk. Wins against Kessler and Hopkins are his best, and the Hopkins fight was razor thin. He has his undefeated record, but Froch has been fighting the best in the division in their backyards.
posted on 2/6/14
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posted on 2/6/14
Alongside his brilliant record and globe trotting achievements the right hand that finished Groves elevates Froch to British ATG status no question. His record stands above Joe’s now in my mind.
There are several points to consider of his victory on Saturday.
1) The magnitude of the event (as Carl likes to say), bringing with it pressure that neither fighter will have coped with before now.
2) The fact that despite what so many Froch lovers have posted on here, he was up against a superior boxer packing more speed, movement and power.
3) For me Froch was losing the fight. A cagey tactical affair, but the truth is stats show Groves landed significantly more punches and hurt Froch at least twice.
4) More than any other British fighter I’ve ever seen, Froch can recover from huge shots insanely quickly. We’ll never know what it felt like for Groves in there, but having landed so many great shots across the two fights and still have Froch snarling and throwing back at him must have an affect on confidence.
5) Knock out of the year. Perfectly timed and delivered, exactly when it was needed as Groves dominated rounds 7 and 8. Groves himself admitted (to his eternal credit) he was unconscious when he hit the deck.
So there you have it Froch’s the main man as far as UK SMW’s are concerned. Its such a shame he talks like a compete twerp.
posted on 2/6/14
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posted on 2/6/14
Brilliant knock out punch to win the fight but even the sun shines on a dogs ar$e somedays.
Froch or Calzaghe - Calzaghe every day of the week.
posted on 2/6/14
In terms of talent - Calzaghe, in terms of record - Froch.
Froch would lose to Ward again, but Joe ain't got a prime Ward equivalent on his record.
So if Froch gets a deseved payday / swansong in Vegas.................
As a Saint fan I'm interested to what you guys think might be next for Groves??
posted on 2/6/14
comment by South London Spur (U12463)
posted 57 minutes ago
Froch has already surpassed Cal in terms of achievement. Not saying he is a better fighter, but Cal spent the vast majority of his career fighting bums in the uk. Wins against Kessler and Hopkins are his best, and the Hopkins fight was razor thin. He has his undefeated record, but Froch has been fighting the best in the division in their backyards.
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Disagree Calzaghe ended up as a unbeaten 2 weight champion. He dominated Kessler and would have done the same had they fought in Denmark too.
He beat Hopkins in Las Vegas. He did also beat Roy Jones Jr but he was clearly passed it.
Froch best away performance was probably against Arthur Abraham and Abraham is a decent champion but no where near the best.
Had the two fought it's clear that Calzaghe would be too quick and smart for Froch in 12 rounds.
However if Froch was to beat Ward then that would surpass anything fighter Calzaghe beat. I can't see Froch going anywhere near Ward anyway. He is looking at the much easy option in Chavez Jr.
posted on 2/6/14
Panda, Groves has superior power to Froch? How on earth could you come to that conclusion?
I have said on many occasions that Groves has better technical boxing ability than Froch. But there is more to boxing than pure fundamentals. Chin, stamina, mentality, power are all part of being an elite fighter. What Froch lacks in technique, he makes up in other areas. So much so that the only fighter he hasn't beaten is considered one of the best p4p in the world, and deservedly so. Ward is an exceptional boxer. He belongs up there with Mayweather and Hopkins.
Froch's comnents post fight did leave a bad taste in the mouth, but Groves was extremely disrespectful in the build up to both fights.
What can be debated when you compare his record witj Calzaghe? It's a no contest. Calzaghe is better than his record shows, but he is the one to blame for thst.
posted on 2/6/14
Spur, its subjective I admit.
But on what I've seen of both fighters over the years (Froch since he beat Pascal and Groves since he beat Anderson), Groves appears the technically cleaner harder puncher to me. His jab alone stands fighters up rigid.
Generally, Froch is heavy handed but he inflicts damage culminativley over the course of a fight. You can take all this with a pinch of salt tho, as we all saw Froch's right hand eh? haha
posted on 2/6/14
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posted on 2/6/14
if froch was better out of the ring....he'd be as loved as hatton was imo....
but fack me does his mouth let him down....most of what he says is cringeworthy.....
posted on 2/6/14
^ Exactly.
posted on 2/6/14
Calzaghe has beaten domestic world champions in Eubank, Woodhall and Ried before dominating the best in the world division. Froch beat Groves but how good is Groves really? Groves is not even proven at world level. He might win a world title in future or he might end up being a domestic/European level fighter.
Froch has been in 3 fights where he has been totally schooled. The obvious one is Ward but in the first fight against Groves he was well beaten and the same against Taylor before a 12th round K.O stole victory. Fair play to Froch for fighting back but I don't think he will surpass Calzage.
posted on 2/6/14
The Groves win is nice because it was at Wembly. He beat groves in the first fight, by stoppage. Many boxing people thought the stoppage, though premature, saved Groves from inevitable punishment.
So you argue he got schooled by Taylor and Groves, despite knocking both out in very decisive fashion.. okay.
Calzaghe dominated the division once the best in that division had either moved up or vacated. Froch lost to Ward, but at least he fought him. Why didn't Cal fight Jones, Hopkins, Toney when they were bossing the division? And many thought the Reid fight was a robbery at the time. I think Calzaghe was a great fighter, but I can't see how he has achieved more than Froch. It is ridiculous even.
One guy fought literally EVERY possible challenge in the division, back to back, home and abroad. The other spent 90% of his career fighting out of the UK against mediocre guys, finally stepping up against Kessler and two old fighters in Jones and Hopkins.
What does Calzaghe have over Froch beside his '0'?
posted on 2/6/14
Hopkins was a middleweight and Roy Jones was at light-heavy and above.
Why not say why didn't Froch fight Golovkin and Kovalev?
posted on 2/6/14
Jones was number one in Calzaghe's division when Cal held a world title belt. Neither Golovkin nor Kovalev hold belts in Froch's division.
How about Calzaghe's show boating against a washed up Jones? That was pathetic.
posted on 2/6/14
No, he wasn't.
Roy vacated his Super middleweight title in 1996 and moved up to light-heavyweight.
Joe only won the super-middleweight title after beating Eubank in 1997.
Know your boxing
posted on 2/6/14
As for Toney he moved to light-heavyweight in 1995 when Calzaghe was a pro for only 2 years and had only 14 fights.
posted on 2/6/14
Hopkins has never held the super middleweight title.
posted on 2/6/14
Calzaghe unified the division, something Ward or Froch, or anyone else I think has done before or since.
Joe is also a two weight lineal champ.
posted on 2/6/14
Fair enough, I was barely a teenager back then. Are you saying Cal fought the best available opposition at his weight?
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