The Grand Cannon
It’s worth noting that Chelini (sp!) has not made a complaint to the Brazilian authorities.
The sheer bitterness I am reading all over these boards, with people on their high horses with regards to Luis Suarez. First it was everybody praying, like a kid on Christmas eve to Santa that he would leave for Spain, now all I am seeing is people being judge,jury and executioners all in one, and praying for a two year domestic ban, if people just for one minute took their bitter, anti Liverpool specs off, perhaps you could see a man who needs help. What he did you cannot defend, but the treatment he is getting is just as bad as the crime.
But lets flip this, the British media before the England V Uruguay game, with pictures of English players with vampire fangs and headlines of England to bite back, and the way people go over the top about his antics is just as bad as what he has done.
Arsene Wenger has even said that Luis Suarez is the perfect gentleman off the pitch. He is a family man who does not sleep with hookers, have it away with other women before a game, take drugs or go out nightclubbing and drinking into the early hours, it's just when he is on the pitch that the will to win just overwhelms him and it's that, that cracks him up. Brendan Rogers seemed to have it under control last season, the national set-up did not. So instead of all this hate, why not try some understanding, because the bitterness on here is overwhelming.
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 6 minutes ago
The sheer bitterness I am reading all over these boards, with people on their high horses with regards to Luis Suarez. First it was everybody praying, like a kid on Christmas eve to Santa that he would leave for Spain, now all I am seeing is people being judge,jury and executioners all in one, and praying for a two year domestic ban, if people just for one minute took their bitter, anti Liverpool specs off, perhaps you could see a man who needs help. What he did you cannot defend, but the treatment he is getting is just as bad as the crime.
But lets flip this, the British media before the England V Uruguay game, with pictures of English players with vampire fangs and headlines of England to bite back, and the way people go over the top about his antics is just as bad as what he has done.
Arsene Wenger has even said that Luis Suarez is the perfect gentleman off the pitch. He is a family man who does not sleep with hookers, have it away with other women before a game, take drugs or go out nightclubbing and drinking into the early hours, it's just when he is on the pitch that the will to win just overwhelms him and it's that, that cracks him up. Brendan Rogers seemed to have it under control last season, the national set-up did not. So instead of all this hate, why not try some understanding, because the bitterness on here is overwhelming.
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What you forget is peoples opinion on this forum will make no difference whatsoever, so dont take it personally
Whether FIFA decide to ban him for life, for 1 game or do nothing at all, it will be irrespective of what people on here think/want/wish unfortunately
"The treatment he is getting is just as bad as the crime."
Oh cry me a river. He brings the game into disrepute. On the streets he'd be locked up by now. In fact, were this in England he may still have been. While you consent to injuries you may sustain within the context of the sport, biting is clearly nothing of the sort.
It's not bitterness, it's simply demanding that a violent man is kept away from situations where he may cause harm.
To be fair a grown adult biting people despite having been punished for it twice before is pretty hard to understand.
He's a nutcase, and people have reacted as such.. maybe these boards could see more of a sense of humour about it, but then the Liverpool fans that were jumping to his defence need to get a bit of perspective too.
I don't think anyone wants to watch a player that dives and carries on the way he does.. how much do we excuse because he can kick a ball? I want him out of the PL not because he's good, he's a cheat simple as... Suarez out.
LordDowlias
It's not fair to accuse people of bitterness. Last season everybody was convinced that Suarez had turned a corner with his behaviour, and even opposition fans and players and the English media began to like him and overwhelmingly voted him the best player. Now every one of them justifiably feels hugely let down. Everybody likes and admires a brilliant player which he is, but a hat-trick of bites is totally unacceptable at all levels. Clearly he has no control over his behaviour and that makes him the perfect candidate for the harshest possible penalty by FIFA. Naturally Liverpool fans will defend or excuse his behaviour because all fans are instinctively biased and partisan towards their own regardless of circumstances.
Giröulski
I don’t think Suarez is violent per se. IMO he just requires further support to assist with his mental health. Such a shame as a fantastic player.
Pearce
"I don’t think Suarez is violent per se. IMO he just requires further support to assist with his mental health. Such a shame as a fantastic player."
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Suarez is already getting help at Liverpool after Ivanovic. But his behaviour is clearly instinctive, he has no control over it. That's what makes him dangerous, incorrigible and beyond redemption whatever help he gets. He has now left football authorities with no choice but to take off the gloves, put on knuckle dusters and really hit him very hard.
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 7 minutes ago
LordDowlias
It's not fair to accuse people of bitterness. Last season everybody was convinced that Suarez had turned a corner with his behaviour, and even opposition fans and players and the English media began to like him and overwhelmingly voted him the best player. Now every one of them justifiably feels hugely let down. Everybody likes and admires a brilliant player which he is, but a hat-trick of bites is totally unacceptable at all levels. Clearly he has no control over his behaviour and that makes him the perfect candidate for the harshest possible penalty by FIFA. Naturally Liverpool fans will defend or excuse his behaviour because all fans are instinctively biased and partisan towards their own regardless of circumstances.
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But it is bitterness, before his mental action, evrybody on here who is not a Liverpool supporter were wishing like a kid on Christmas that he would leave for Spain, now they want a massive ban, what is the difference ? All I can see now are people taking the moral high ground to support their argument, look last season it looked as though he had turned a corner, how much of that was down to BR ? As soon as he is on international duty he is back to his old ways, without the influence of whoever it was at LFC (BR?) he seems to be in trouble again, perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control.
LordDowlias
IMO while acknowledging there are elements of club rivalry, most want to see the back of Suarez in light of his conduct.
There are people who will undoubtedly use this incident to fuel their own agenda but ultimately Suarez is the individual adding the ‘fuel’ in the first instance.
perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control.
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comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
Naturally Liverpool fans will defend or excuse his behaviour because all fans are instinctively biased and partisan towards their own regardless of circumstances.
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There will obviously be a few that do but most Liverpool fans just want to see the punishment directed at the international arena not the EPL.
Someone (I forget who) said Liverpool were still responsible for his behaviour and that they can't control him at Anfield. Maybe not, but they accountable for his actions at Anfield, they're not at the World Cup.
BR seemed to have him largely focused last year. Consider the responses after the event - when he nibbled Ivanovic the comments were that it's totally inexcusable etc. Clearly influenced by Liverpool.
After this latest one - the Uruguay manager said its a conspiracy and Suarez and the captain denies it happens. That's the environment he's in at the moment - Liverpool are not accoutable for that.
LordDowlias
"But it is bitterness, before his mental action, evrybody on here who is not a Liverpool supporter were wishing like a kid on Christmas that he would leave for Spain, now they want a massive ban, what is the difference ? All I can see now are people taking the moral high ground to support their argument, look last season it looked as though he had turned a corner, how much of that was down to BR ?
As soon as he is on international duty he is back to his old ways, without the influence of whoever it was at LFC (BR?) he seems to be in trouble again, perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control."
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It's not bitterness mate. The stuff about him leaving for Spain is all banter which always happens on this forum, just like Liverpool fans have been mocking Arsenal fans for failing to sign him. Nothing wrong with that, that's what makes this forum interesting. Biting an opponent is a very strange and extremely rare behaviour in any sport, only Tyson and Suarez have done that before. So for Suarez to do it three times is totally unacceptable and the authorities must draw the line and mete out punishment which puts a stop to it, even if his club also suffers. After all they bought him knowing his biting reputation.
it's clear bitterness. A bite is nothing compared to other fouls that soccer players routinely get away with
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 minutes ago
perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control.
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Why this response ? Perhaps you are one of the people with their own agenda's.
It was clear as day, that after his last ban, LFC turned Suarez around, weather it be BR or somebody else at the club, he also had all the accolades to go with it, but as soon as he is playing football away from LFC he is back to his old ways, for me this is not a coincidence.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
LordDowlias
IMO while acknowledging there are elements of club rivalry, most want to see the back of Suarez in light of his conduct.
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I humbly disagree. I think most want to see the back of Suarez because of club rivalry now that this incident has happened and less because he is a bad person. I'm sure everyone(or nearly) has done something just as bad or worse in life. it cannot be due to Suarez nature as that would be hypocritical. just my opinion though.
so anyone who disagrees with something you say has thier own agenda?
if he needs a carer to play international football then he shouldn't be playing. ever thought the 10 game ban and massive new contract is keeping him from biting people?
1 year without being racist or biting someone and you are commending the bloke...
Suarez deserves a 1-match ban at worst
RoberTncUSA
Agree - your previous comment.
A “genuine” foul inflicted while trying to play the sport, differs considerably to an attempt to gorge/ingest another human being.
Bitterness? Its more a case of enough is enough. If the same situation happened even just at Saturday league football you'd be looking at a long ban, especially after a third offence. Why should it be any different for someone who has more responsibility as a role model?
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
only Tyson and Suarez have done that before. So for Suarez to do it three times is totally unacceptable and the authorities must draw the line and mete out punishment which puts a stop to it, even if his club also suffers. After all they bought him knowing his biting reputation.
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Off the top of my head - Jermaine Defoe and Dylan Hartley. I'm sure there are more if I spent a couple of minutes with google.
Tyson and Suarez are the most high profile to have bitten someone on the field of play.
3 times is inexcusable and Uruguay, who are responsible for him at the moment, should be without his services for some considerable period of time.
Biting an opponent is a very strange and extremely rare behaviour in any sport, only Tyson and Suarez have done that before.
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Only Tyson and Suarez? Why would you write such a thing that is so manifestly untrue?
It's been done many times in British sport, South African sport, Australian sport, USA sport. (and on and on)..
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31047/12-memorable-biting-incidents-sports-history
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comment by TBAG - Eric Made Insulin Like Yoda. But Erics Big Bum Is Not Good To Offer Nylon. (U11806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Bitterness? Its more a case of enough is enough. If the same situation happened even just at Saturday league football you'd be looking at a long ban, especially after a third offence. Why should it be any different for someone who has more responsibility as a role model?
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Who says it will be different for him? Where did that come from? Suarez will get a long ban. Everyone agrees but rival fans are all over posting comments like
''Why should it be any different for someone who has more responsibility as a role model?''
as if anyone has said it should. Why do you feel the need to do that?
suarez is the victim here
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posted on 25/6/14
The Grand Cannon
It’s worth noting that Chelini (sp!) has not made a complaint to the Brazilian authorities.
posted on 25/6/14
The sheer bitterness I am reading all over these boards, with people on their high horses with regards to Luis Suarez. First it was everybody praying, like a kid on Christmas eve to Santa that he would leave for Spain, now all I am seeing is people being judge,jury and executioners all in one, and praying for a two year domestic ban, if people just for one minute took their bitter, anti Liverpool specs off, perhaps you could see a man who needs help. What he did you cannot defend, but the treatment he is getting is just as bad as the crime.
But lets flip this, the British media before the England V Uruguay game, with pictures of English players with vampire fangs and headlines of England to bite back, and the way people go over the top about his antics is just as bad as what he has done.
Arsene Wenger has even said that Luis Suarez is the perfect gentleman off the pitch. He is a family man who does not sleep with hookers, have it away with other women before a game, take drugs or go out nightclubbing and drinking into the early hours, it's just when he is on the pitch that the will to win just overwhelms him and it's that, that cracks him up. Brendan Rogers seemed to have it under control last season, the national set-up did not. So instead of all this hate, why not try some understanding, because the bitterness on here is overwhelming.
posted on 25/6/14
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 6 minutes ago
The sheer bitterness I am reading all over these boards, with people on their high horses with regards to Luis Suarez. First it was everybody praying, like a kid on Christmas eve to Santa that he would leave for Spain, now all I am seeing is people being judge,jury and executioners all in one, and praying for a two year domestic ban, if people just for one minute took their bitter, anti Liverpool specs off, perhaps you could see a man who needs help. What he did you cannot defend, but the treatment he is getting is just as bad as the crime.
But lets flip this, the British media before the England V Uruguay game, with pictures of English players with vampire fangs and headlines of England to bite back, and the way people go over the top about his antics is just as bad as what he has done.
Arsene Wenger has even said that Luis Suarez is the perfect gentleman off the pitch. He is a family man who does not sleep with hookers, have it away with other women before a game, take drugs or go out nightclubbing and drinking into the early hours, it's just when he is on the pitch that the will to win just overwhelms him and it's that, that cracks him up. Brendan Rogers seemed to have it under control last season, the national set-up did not. So instead of all this hate, why not try some understanding, because the bitterness on here is overwhelming.
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What you forget is peoples opinion on this forum will make no difference whatsoever, so dont take it personally
Whether FIFA decide to ban him for life, for 1 game or do nothing at all, it will be irrespective of what people on here think/want/wish unfortunately
posted on 25/6/14
"The treatment he is getting is just as bad as the crime."
Oh cry me a river. He brings the game into disrepute. On the streets he'd be locked up by now. In fact, were this in England he may still have been. While you consent to injuries you may sustain within the context of the sport, biting is clearly nothing of the sort.
It's not bitterness, it's simply demanding that a violent man is kept away from situations where he may cause harm.
posted on 25/6/14
To be fair a grown adult biting people despite having been punished for it twice before is pretty hard to understand.
He's a nutcase, and people have reacted as such.. maybe these boards could see more of a sense of humour about it, but then the Liverpool fans that were jumping to his defence need to get a bit of perspective too.
I don't think anyone wants to watch a player that dives and carries on the way he does.. how much do we excuse because he can kick a ball? I want him out of the PL not because he's good, he's a cheat simple as... Suarez out.
posted on 25/6/14
LordDowlias
It's not fair to accuse people of bitterness. Last season everybody was convinced that Suarez had turned a corner with his behaviour, and even opposition fans and players and the English media began to like him and overwhelmingly voted him the best player. Now every one of them justifiably feels hugely let down. Everybody likes and admires a brilliant player which he is, but a hat-trick of bites is totally unacceptable at all levels. Clearly he has no control over his behaviour and that makes him the perfect candidate for the harshest possible penalty by FIFA. Naturally Liverpool fans will defend or excuse his behaviour because all fans are instinctively biased and partisan towards their own regardless of circumstances.
posted on 25/6/14
Giröulski
I don’t think Suarez is violent per se. IMO he just requires further support to assist with his mental health. Such a shame as a fantastic player.
posted on 25/6/14
Pearce
"I don’t think Suarez is violent per se. IMO he just requires further support to assist with his mental health. Such a shame as a fantastic player."
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Suarez is already getting help at Liverpool after Ivanovic. But his behaviour is clearly instinctive, he has no control over it. That's what makes him dangerous, incorrigible and beyond redemption whatever help he gets. He has now left football authorities with no choice but to take off the gloves, put on knuckle dusters and really hit him very hard.
posted on 25/6/14
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 7 minutes ago
LordDowlias
It's not fair to accuse people of bitterness. Last season everybody was convinced that Suarez had turned a corner with his behaviour, and even opposition fans and players and the English media began to like him and overwhelmingly voted him the best player. Now every one of them justifiably feels hugely let down. Everybody likes and admires a brilliant player which he is, but a hat-trick of bites is totally unacceptable at all levels. Clearly he has no control over his behaviour and that makes him the perfect candidate for the harshest possible penalty by FIFA. Naturally Liverpool fans will defend or excuse his behaviour because all fans are instinctively biased and partisan towards their own regardless of circumstances.
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But it is bitterness, before his mental action, evrybody on here who is not a Liverpool supporter were wishing like a kid on Christmas that he would leave for Spain, now they want a massive ban, what is the difference ? All I can see now are people taking the moral high ground to support their argument, look last season it looked as though he had turned a corner, how much of that was down to BR ? As soon as he is on international duty he is back to his old ways, without the influence of whoever it was at LFC (BR?) he seems to be in trouble again, perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control.
posted on 25/6/14
LordDowlias
IMO while acknowledging there are elements of club rivalry, most want to see the back of Suarez in light of his conduct.
There are people who will undoubtedly use this incident to fuel their own agenda but ultimately Suarez is the individual adding the ‘fuel’ in the first instance.
posted on 25/6/14
perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control.
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posted on 25/6/14
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
Naturally Liverpool fans will defend or excuse his behaviour because all fans are instinctively biased and partisan towards their own regardless of circumstances.
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There will obviously be a few that do but most Liverpool fans just want to see the punishment directed at the international arena not the EPL.
Someone (I forget who) said Liverpool were still responsible for his behaviour and that they can't control him at Anfield. Maybe not, but they accountable for his actions at Anfield, they're not at the World Cup.
BR seemed to have him largely focused last year. Consider the responses after the event - when he nibbled Ivanovic the comments were that it's totally inexcusable etc. Clearly influenced by Liverpool.
After this latest one - the Uruguay manager said its a conspiracy and Suarez and the captain denies it happens. That's the environment he's in at the moment - Liverpool are not accoutable for that.
posted on 25/6/14
LordDowlias
"But it is bitterness, before his mental action, evrybody on here who is not a Liverpool supporter were wishing like a kid on Christmas that he would leave for Spain, now they want a massive ban, what is the difference ? All I can see now are people taking the moral high ground to support their argument, look last season it looked as though he had turned a corner, how much of that was down to BR ?
As soon as he is on international duty he is back to his old ways, without the influence of whoever it was at LFC (BR?) he seems to be in trouble again, perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control."
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It's not bitterness mate. The stuff about him leaving for Spain is all banter which always happens on this forum, just like Liverpool fans have been mocking Arsenal fans for failing to sign him. Nothing wrong with that, that's what makes this forum interesting. Biting an opponent is a very strange and extremely rare behaviour in any sport, only Tyson and Suarez have done that before. So for Suarez to do it three times is totally unacceptable and the authorities must draw the line and mete out punishment which puts a stop to it, even if his club also suffers. After all they bought him knowing his biting reputation.
posted on 25/6/14
it's clear bitterness. A bite is nothing compared to other fouls that soccer players routinely get away with
posted on 25/6/14
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 minutes ago
perhaps Uruguay should have taken BR with them to keep him under control.
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Christ
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Why this response ? Perhaps you are one of the people with their own agenda's.
It was clear as day, that after his last ban, LFC turned Suarez around, weather it be BR or somebody else at the club, he also had all the accolades to go with it, but as soon as he is playing football away from LFC he is back to his old ways, for me this is not a coincidence.
posted on 25/6/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
LordDowlias
IMO while acknowledging there are elements of club rivalry, most want to see the back of Suarez in light of his conduct.
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I humbly disagree. I think most want to see the back of Suarez because of club rivalry now that this incident has happened and less because he is a bad person. I'm sure everyone(or nearly) has done something just as bad or worse in life. it cannot be due to Suarez nature as that would be hypocritical. just my opinion though.
posted on 25/6/14
so anyone who disagrees with something you say has thier own agenda?
if he needs a carer to play international football then he shouldn't be playing. ever thought the 10 game ban and massive new contract is keeping him from biting people?
1 year without being racist or biting someone and you are commending the bloke...
posted on 25/6/14
Suarez deserves a 1-match ban at worst
posted on 25/6/14
RoberTncUSA
Agree - your previous comment.
A “genuine” foul inflicted while trying to play the sport, differs considerably to an attempt to gorge/ingest another human being.
posted on 25/6/14
Bitterness? Its more a case of enough is enough. If the same situation happened even just at Saturday league football you'd be looking at a long ban, especially after a third offence. Why should it be any different for someone who has more responsibility as a role model?
posted on 25/6/14
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
only Tyson and Suarez have done that before. So for Suarez to do it three times is totally unacceptable and the authorities must draw the line and mete out punishment which puts a stop to it, even if his club also suffers. After all they bought him knowing his biting reputation.
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Off the top of my head - Jermaine Defoe and Dylan Hartley. I'm sure there are more if I spent a couple of minutes with google.
Tyson and Suarez are the most high profile to have bitten someone on the field of play.
3 times is inexcusable and Uruguay, who are responsible for him at the moment, should be without his services for some considerable period of time.
posted on 25/6/14
Biting an opponent is a very strange and extremely rare behaviour in any sport, only Tyson and Suarez have done that before.
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Only Tyson and Suarez? Why would you write such a thing that is so manifestly untrue?
It's been done many times in British sport, South African sport, Australian sport, USA sport. (and on and on)..
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31047/12-memorable-biting-incidents-sports-history
posted on 25/6/14
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posted on 25/6/14
comment by TBAG - Eric Made Insulin Like Yoda. But Erics Big Bum Is Not Good To Offer Nylon. (U11806)
posted 4 minutes ago
Bitterness? Its more a case of enough is enough. If the same situation happened even just at Saturday league football you'd be looking at a long ban, especially after a third offence. Why should it be any different for someone who has more responsibility as a role model?
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Who says it will be different for him? Where did that come from? Suarez will get a long ban. Everyone agrees but rival fans are all over posting comments like
''Why should it be any different for someone who has more responsibility as a role model?''
as if anyone has said it should. Why do you feel the need to do that?
posted on 25/6/14
suarez is the victim here
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