comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 10 seconds ago
Describing someone as black isn't racist. Saying it when it is completely unnecessary, can be considered so, in the wrong context. Why the need to make reference to the bartender's skin colour when asking for a drink?
Saying 'give me a drink black man' (i'm not sure if you did or didn't say it, and in what context) is a hell of a lot different to using it to describe someone. In the same vein, you're really never going to say 'give me a drink, white man' so why the need to distinguish in that scenario?
It makes no sense, and is unnecessary.
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I don't think there's any need to say it nor do I find it OK but that doesn't make it racist. There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
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What do you consider it then? Discriminatory? What's the point of describing his skin colour whilst ordering a drink? It's probably not racist abuse (though maybe some consider it so, I don't know!) but it is unnecessarily differentiating the bartender based on his skin colour.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 3 seconds ago
There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
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What do you consider it then? Discriminatory? What's the point of describing his skin colour whilst ordering a drink? It's probably not racist abuse (though maybe some consider it so, I don't know!) but it is unnecessarily differentiating the bartender based on his skin colour.
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I consider it unnecessary as you said. That doesn't make it racial abuse or any abuse for that matter and certainly not discriminatory as there was no implication that the person asking for the drink thought the bar man was inferior to anybody else or that he treated him differently from anybody else.
How I have missed your stubborness to idiocy TOOR.
But why the reference to his skin colour in the first place? Why the need to add the differentiating comment based on his skin colour. Even if it was unnecessary, there must be a reason behind including it.
It's not as though you're an author who needs to fill out a character's appearance through words only (and even then, it's generally more tactful that the protagonist saying, give me a drink black man).
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 3 seconds ago
There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
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What do you consider it then? Discriminatory? What's the point of describing his skin colour whilst ordering a drink? It's probably not racist abuse (though maybe some consider it so, I don't know!) but it is unnecessarily differentiating the bartender based on his skin colour.
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I consider it unnecessary as you said. That doesn't make it racial abuse or any abuse for that matter and certainly not discriminatory as there was no implication that the person asking for the drink thought the bar man was inferior to anybody else or that he treated him differently from anybody else.
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Oi white man, stop talking rubbish... you clearly don't understand what discrimination means
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 11 seconds ago
But why the reference to his skin colour in the first place? Why the need to add the differentiating comment based on his skin colour. Even if it was unnecessary, there must be a reason behind including it.
It's not as though you're an author who needs to fill out a character's appearance through words only (and even then, it's generally more tactful that the protagonist saying, give me a drink black man).
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Good post gay man.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
But why the reference to his skin colour in the first place? Why the need to add the differentiating comment based on his skin colour. Even if it was unnecessary, there must be a reason behind including it.
It's not as though you're an author who needs to fill out a character's appearance through words only (and even then, it's generally more tactful that the protagonist saying, give me a drink black man).
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Why? I don't know. Perhaps he likes saying it. He finds it funny, thinks the bar man would find it funny or it's part of his language to describe someone when addressing them without knowing his/name. However that's irrelevant. What I'm saying is it is not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
How I have missed your stubborness to idiocy TOOR.
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I've missed you too VC and your twisting of words and rewriting history.
On what planet is a black person going to find it funny or acceptable if a white person walks up to them and says 'Oi, Black, do x for m.'
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
comment by He's French, He's Flash... R.I.P Br... (U9335)
posted 11 seconds ago
On what planet is a black person going to find it funny or acceptable if a white person walks up to them and says 'Oi, Black, do x for m.'
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Well I was at a party on Saturday and as usual I have to be the last one standing so it was me and a black guy, who I wouldn't say is a friend but I have seen him in a few parties I've been to. He thought it was funny saying to me hey white boy sort that music out and out on some Bob Marley. I found that funny.
But again this is irrelevant as no abuse occurred so it can't even be considered abuse never mind racial abuse.
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gay If the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
Well I was at a party on Saturday and as usual I have to be the last one standing so it was me and a black guy, who I wouldn't say is a friend but I have seen him in a few parties I've been to. He thought it was funny saying to me hey white boy sort that music out and out on some Bob Marley. I found that funny.
But again this is irrelevant as no abuse occurred so it can't even be considered abuse never mind racial abuse.
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Speaking to a some time acquaintance who you've clearly spoken to before is also completely different.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
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But can you at least understand why some people may take offence to a comment about the colour of someone's skin being referenced unnecessarily?
Glad I didn't buy some Adidas boots just recently and won't be buying any more Adidas stuff for the next 10-11 years. In your face Adidas.
Going back to the original point - I'm assuming you're arguing that Suarez used negrito in the same sense you're describing above?
If that's what you believe - why on Earth would he have said that? Something that could quite easily be misconstrued, something completely unnecessary and a descriptive word that in all honesty has no NEED on a football pitch.
I struggle to think of a scenario where it is completely necessary to say that on a football pitch.
Get me a drink white man/black man would be rude imo but in no way racist.
Just as saying hey ginger get me a drink would be rude.
If I am wrong please explain how.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place(U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
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But can you at least understand why some people may take offence to a comment about the colour of someone's skin being referenced unnecessarily?
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No I can't. I don't think it's offensive. Unless people are offended by their own colour as they think themselves that it's inferior.
I can understand that people have been told they should be offended so much so that they now accept it as normal but I don't.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place(U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
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But can you at least understand why some people may take offence to a comment about the colour of someone's skin being referenced unnecessarily?
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I understand that any reference to skin colour in any context will upset and offend somebody.
No I can't. I don't think it's offensive. Unless people are offended by their own colour as they think themselves that it's inferior.
I can understand that people have been told they should be offended so much so that they now accept it as normal but I don't.
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You see no way in which saying 'Get me a drink black man' could be offensive? I'm not suggesting I find it offensive, and I doubt I'd find much offense in someone saying the reverse to me. However if you can't at least see why some people might find that offensive, I think you may have something wrong with you.
I can understand that it could be seen as being rude and maybe someone will take offence at that but it is in no way racist or discriminate.
This again
If the personal secretary to the PM was black, and Nick Griffin walked in to his office and said, 'Black Man, can I have a word with the PM'
I'm pretty sure he would be done for racial abuse. And rightly so
It's all about context. If Skin colour is brought up as a negative, Ie) referred to unecessarily while talking at someone as opposed to talking about them, then it's racial abuse pure and simple
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posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 10 seconds ago
Describing someone as black isn't racist. Saying it when it is completely unnecessary, can be considered so, in the wrong context. Why the need to make reference to the bartender's skin colour when asking for a drink?
Saying 'give me a drink black man' (i'm not sure if you did or didn't say it, and in what context) is a hell of a lot different to using it to describe someone. In the same vein, you're really never going to say 'give me a drink, white man' so why the need to distinguish in that scenario?
It makes no sense, and is unnecessary.
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I don't think there's any need to say it nor do I find it OK but that doesn't make it racist. There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
posted on 14/7/14
There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
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What do you consider it then? Discriminatory? What's the point of describing his skin colour whilst ordering a drink? It's probably not racist abuse (though maybe some consider it so, I don't know!) but it is unnecessarily differentiating the bartender based on his skin colour.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 3 seconds ago
There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
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What do you consider it then? Discriminatory? What's the point of describing his skin colour whilst ordering a drink? It's probably not racist abuse (though maybe some consider it so, I don't know!) but it is unnecessarily differentiating the bartender based on his skin colour.
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I consider it unnecessary as you said. That doesn't make it racial abuse or any abuse for that matter and certainly not discriminatory as there was no implication that the person asking for the drink thought the bar man was inferior to anybody else or that he treated him differently from anybody else.
posted on 14/7/14
How I have missed your stubborness to idiocy TOOR.
posted on 14/7/14
But why the reference to his skin colour in the first place? Why the need to add the differentiating comment based on his skin colour. Even if it was unnecessary, there must be a reason behind including it.
It's not as though you're an author who needs to fill out a character's appearance through words only (and even then, it's generally more tactful that the protagonist saying, give me a drink black man).
posted on 14/7/14
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 3 seconds ago
There was no implication that the person asking for the pint thinks the black bar man is inferior to him because of his colour. He simply used his colour to describe him when there was no need to. That's not racial abuse.
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What do you consider it then? Discriminatory? What's the point of describing his skin colour whilst ordering a drink? It's probably not racist abuse (though maybe some consider it so, I don't know!) but it is unnecessarily differentiating the bartender based on his skin colour.
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I consider it unnecessary as you said. That doesn't make it racial abuse or any abuse for that matter and certainly not discriminatory as there was no implication that the person asking for the drink thought the bar man was inferior to anybody else or that he treated him differently from anybody else.
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Oi white man, stop talking rubbish... you clearly don't understand what discrimination means
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 11 seconds ago
But why the reference to his skin colour in the first place? Why the need to add the differentiating comment based on his skin colour. Even if it was unnecessary, there must be a reason behind including it.
It's not as though you're an author who needs to fill out a character's appearance through words only (and even then, it's generally more tactful that the protagonist saying, give me a drink black man).
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Good post gay man.
posted on 14/7/14
Thanks, wánker.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
But why the reference to his skin colour in the first place? Why the need to add the differentiating comment based on his skin colour. Even if it was unnecessary, there must be a reason behind including it.
It's not as though you're an author who needs to fill out a character's appearance through words only (and even then, it's generally more tactful that the protagonist saying, give me a drink black man).
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Why? I don't know. Perhaps he likes saying it. He finds it funny, thinks the bar man would find it funny or it's part of his language to describe someone when addressing them without knowing his/name. However that's irrelevant. What I'm saying is it is not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
How I have missed your stubborness to idiocy TOOR.
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I've missed you too VC and your twisting of words and rewriting history.
posted on 14/7/14
On what planet is a black person going to find it funny or acceptable if a white person walks up to them and says 'Oi, Black, do x for m.'
posted on 14/7/14
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
posted on 14/7/14
comment by He's French, He's Flash... R.I.P Br... (U9335)
posted 11 seconds ago
On what planet is a black person going to find it funny or acceptable if a white person walks up to them and says 'Oi, Black, do x for m.'
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Well I was at a party on Saturday and as usual I have to be the last one standing so it was me and a black guy, who I wouldn't say is a friend but I have seen him in a few parties I've been to. He thought it was funny saying to me hey white boy sort that music out and out on some Bob Marley. I found that funny.
But again this is irrelevant as no abuse occurred so it can't even be considered abuse never mind racial abuse.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gay If the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
posted on 14/7/14
Well I was at a party on Saturday and as usual I have to be the last one standing so it was me and a black guy, who I wouldn't say is a friend but I have seen him in a few parties I've been to. He thought it was funny saying to me hey white boy sort that music out and out on some Bob Marley. I found that funny.
But again this is irrelevant as no abuse occurred so it can't even be considered abuse never mind racial abuse.
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Speaking to a some time acquaintance who you've clearly spoken to before is also completely different.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
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But can you at least understand why some people may take offence to a comment about the colour of someone's skin being referenced unnecessarily?
posted on 14/7/14
Glad I didn't buy some Adidas boots just recently and won't be buying any more Adidas stuff for the next 10-11 years. In your face Adidas.
posted on 14/7/14
Going back to the original point - I'm assuming you're arguing that Suarez used negrito in the same sense you're describing above?
If that's what you believe - why on Earth would he have said that? Something that could quite easily be misconstrued, something completely unnecessary and a descriptive word that in all honesty has no NEED on a football pitch.
I struggle to think of a scenario where it is completely necessary to say that on a football pitch.
posted on 14/7/14
Get me a drink white man/black man would be rude imo but in no way racist.
Just as saying hey ginger get me a drink would be rude.
If I am wrong please explain how.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place(U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
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But can you at least understand why some people may take offence to a comment about the colour of someone's skin being referenced unnecessarily?
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No I can't. I don't think it's offensive. Unless people are offended by their own colour as they think themselves that it's inferior.
I can understand that people have been told they should be offended so much so that they now accept it as normal but I don't.
posted on 14/7/14
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place(U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by It's a Mexican Rave! (U6687)
posted 3 minutes ago
I suppose it's ok to say "oi gay lad, get me a drink will ya" to Jay is it?
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No! I'm not gayIf the guy was on friendly terms with said bartender, and it's said in jest that is also a far different circumstance. That implies a level of understanding between the 2, that it is meant as a joke, or neither party will take offence.
What I gathered from the initial comments though, was that this was a stranger going to a 'random' bartender and saying get me a drink, black man. I don't see any possible way that can be a positive, or even neutral remark.
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That may be true but it's still not racial abuse as no abuse has occurred.
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But can you at least understand why some people may take offence to a comment about the colour of someone's skin being referenced unnecessarily?
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I understand that any reference to skin colour in any context will upset and offend somebody.
posted on 14/7/14
No I can't. I don't think it's offensive. Unless people are offended by their own colour as they think themselves that it's inferior.
I can understand that people have been told they should be offended so much so that they now accept it as normal but I don't.
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You see no way in which saying 'Get me a drink black man' could be offensive? I'm not suggesting I find it offensive, and I doubt I'd find much offense in someone saying the reverse to me. However if you can't at least see why some people might find that offensive, I think you may have something wrong with you.
posted on 14/7/14
I can understand that it could be seen as being rude and maybe someone will take offence at that but it is in no way racist or discriminate.
posted on 14/7/14
This again
If the personal secretary to the PM was black, and Nick Griffin walked in to his office and said, 'Black Man, can I have a word with the PM'
I'm pretty sure he would be done for racial abuse. And rightly so
It's all about context. If Skin colour is brought up as a negative, Ie) referred to unecessarily while talking at someone as opposed to talking about them, then it's racial abuse pure and simple
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