comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 41 seconds ago
Hawking did get something wrong in the past however.He corrected his earlier belief that nothing escapes a black hole.
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Therein lies the fundamental difference between science and religion, the ability and indeed pride in admitting you were wrong

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 25 seconds ago
Hawking did get something wrong in the past however.
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Thought you were going to go all Glenn Hoddle for a moment!

Metro also believes that 9/11 was a conspiracy though.... so I'm not surprised to learn that he thinks science is too
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Actually, I believe that 9/11 was a pretext to invade but had it not been, it would have been the exception.

But that's another thread !

I guess none of us will know if God really does exist until you die.

Too bad dead people can't talk or we could ask them. Where's that kid from 'The Sixth Sense' when you need him

If I did believe in some form of all powerful, all knowing, all loving (except for some people ), all merciful Diety, then I would definitely believe in the Greek gods.

They are so fecking badass.

comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 6 seconds ago
If I did believe in some form of all powerful, all knowing, all loving (except for some people), all merciful Diety, then I would definitely believe in the Greek gods.

They are so fecking badass.
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They were all gay with each other

comment by ● (U4443)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 6 seconds ago
If I did believe in some form of all powerful, all knowing, all loving (except for some people), all merciful Diety, then I would definitely believe in the Greek gods.

They are so fecking badass.
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They were all gay with each other
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Even Aphrodite and Athena

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I haven't got a religious bone in my body like many but I once got my todger out to give a woman called Kath a lick

comment by ● (U4443)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 6 seconds ago
If I did believe in some form of all powerful, all knowing, all loving (except for some people), all merciful Diety, then I would definitely believe in the Greek gods.

They are so fecking badass.
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They were all gay with each other
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Badass = The Hawaiian gods. Blood, death, guts and baps.

If I did believe in some form of all powerful, all knowing, all loving (except for some people), all merciful Diety, then I would definitely believe in the Greek gods.

They are so fecking badass.
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They were all gay with each other
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Not to mention the incest, slaughtering of family members, abandonement of children etc etc.

Thats what made them so interesting, they were the coronation street of gods

comment by Robben van Persie #20 - He Shcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 47 seconds ago
The problem with religion is any evidence found against them leads to them re-interpreting their scriptures to suit their argument. It has happened throughout history and will continue to happen, probably even if we find life on other planets.
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Exactly, and that would then be re-interpreted again and again. The book I have just read is fantastic, explaining that people are scared to expand their minds and even with all of the evidence, they still don't believe.
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I don't think either of you have studied religion enough to have this opinion.

The whole thing about expanding your mind, can also be aimed at atheists.

comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by ● (U4443)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 6 seconds ago
If I did believe in some form of all powerful, all knowing, all loving (except for some people), all merciful Diety, then I would definitely believe in the Greek gods.

They are so fecking badass.
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They were all gay with each other
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Even Aphrodite and Athena
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yes, they shared a Red Mamba back in the day

Personally, although I am not religious myself, I believe that it is totally impossible to entirely rule out the concept of a God per se. How can science disprove God when you can technically argue that science could be created by God?

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Why should science disprove god, and how would it do that? It's near enough impossible to prove the non existence of something.

The onus of proof should lie with those who believe.

comment by ● (U4443)
posted 3 minutes ago
Metro - Was it this program in which he used the piles of sand analogy to explain to lack of need for an energy source?

If so - re-watch that bit

I would explain but it's lunch time
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That's the one mate.

But that's exactly where my confusion lies .

This is like saying that if you go on a round trip journey in which the return leg retraces the outbound leg, then your net motion is zero and therefore you haven’t gone anywhere.

I'd even argue that the analogy of the hole and the dirt pile actually proves the exact opposite of Hawking’s claim, for even though the volume of the dirt equals the volume of the hole, that in no way implies that the hole and the dirt pile do not exist (you might fall in the hole and break your leg or sit on the dirt pile)! In the case of the universe, you still need a cause to explain the origin of the positive and the negative energy in the first place, even if when summed together their net balance is zero.

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comment by 5x (U5488)
posted 19 seconds ago
Personally, although I am not religious myself, I believe that it is totally impossible to entirely rule out the concept of a God per se. How can science disprove God when you can technically argue that science could be created by God?

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Why should science disprove god, and how would it do that? It's near enough impossible to prove the non existence of something.

The onus of proof should lie with those who believe.
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Plenty of proof out there, people just have there eyes shut.

Why is that if you talk to "God" it's called praying, yet if "God" talks to you it's called paranoid-schizophrenia?

I did for a minute think Van Gaal was God but tbh, I don't thing he would have took Sunday off

So rather than have a thrilling physics discussion it's just going to be a religious argument
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Not even that, it will be a thread full of atheists arrogantly rubbishing religion while simultaneously moaning about how arrogant and dismissive religious people are...
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What if you're Agnostic?

The whole thing about expanding your mind, can also be aimed at atheists.

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That's wrong.

Atheist's don't hold a belief that god doesn't exist they just don't hold the belief that he does. It makes sense really, there's no evidence at all to support there being any kind of god so why would they have that belief, it's not because they are not open minded, just rational.

Scientists are thick AF.

They are, whether you like to admit it or not, a higher intelligent being, to the average human being, trying to prove that another higher intelligent being/form/whatever doesnt exist.

comment by Robben van Persie #20 - He Shcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Jordan Henderson's Backheel (Formally Kelly Is God) (U6983)
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comment by Robben van Persie #20 - He Shcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jordan Henderson's Backheel (Formally Kelly Is God) (U6983)
posted 12 seconds ago
Personally, although I am not religious myself, I believe that it is totally impossible to entirely rule out the concept of a God per se. How can science disprove God when you can technically argue that science could be created by God?
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In that case, why would "God" leave so many facts that argue 100% against his existence?
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Nothing is certain really, for all you know you could be hallucinating everything you percieve, we could be in the Matrix for all we know. And because of that you cannot really prove anything 100%.

The other issue you have is that the idea of God isn't a constant one. One person's interpretation could be completely different to another.
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That may be so, but thousands upon thousands of pages of observational and scientific evidence stack up for one side and one book written 2000 years ago which corresponds to 0.00000044052% of the history of Earth. Science can model not only the 4.54bn years that Earth has existed but the 13.8bn years of the history of the entire universe.

Just because you can't comprehend it, and it is easier to say and understand "God did it", does not discount all of the physical evidence.
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I'm just saying that there is no way to fully prove anything, nearly everything is based on some sort of assumption

Why should science disprove god, and how would it do that? It's near enough impossible to prove the non existence of something.

The onus of proof should lie with those who believe.
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Plenty of proof out there, people just have there eyes shut.

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Ha, go on then, what proof?

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