Jehovahs Witness, never understood that name.

Were they there when Jesus was around? Of course not, that makes them a Jehovahs Gossip in my book.

comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
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Also, 'Things Can Only Get Better' is an amazing childhood memory for me!

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Was it Peter Mandelson's dancing?
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No, had a bit of a disaster at home and it just so happened to come on the radio. Strange timing, almost as if someone/something made it come on at that moment...

The onus shouldn't be on religious people to do anything. Religion is a faith, not a testable hypothesis. Christians want to practice their faith


nope, religion requires faith to believe in the existence of god without the requirement of proof.


but if god is real, then he exists, if an entity exists, then there must be, by default, evidence of that existence, ie proof. therefore the existence of god IS a testable hypothesis.
to date, there is no quantifiable evidence of god's existence, that does not deny the possibility of it, but each scientific advance we make without that evidence being found makes gods existence increasingly unlikely.

but if the existence of god is proven, then that would preclude the requirement of faith.

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How about the cyclic model then Metro? That the Big Bang was the "restart" of our current universe..
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An entirely plausible theory but one that doesn't eliminate the need to establish it's cause/origin.

How do cycles begin in the first place?

Whatever way people spin this, it always comes down to two possibilities

- existence had a beginning
- existence is eternal

Now we can apply that to our own space/time contiuum as well as anything outside of it.

Science would lend more support to the former

comment by 19th title coming soon. (U12879)
posted 27 seconds ago
The onus shouldn't be on religious people to do anything. Religion is a faith, not a testable hypothesis. Christians want to practice their faith


nope, religion requires faith to believe in the existence of god without the requirement of proof.


but if god is real, then he exists, if an entity exists, then there must be, by default, evidence of that existence, ie proof. therefore the existence of god IS a testable hypothesis.
to date, there is no quantifiable evidence of god's existence, that does not deny the possibility of it, but each scientific advance we make without that evidence being found makes gods existence increasingly unlikely.

but if the existence of god is proven, then that would preclude the requirement of faith.

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Good point, the word 'faith' itself indicates that their is no evidence.

And another, on the subject of scientific advances that are stacking up whilst evidence of a creator has made no such advances.

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Does it really matter if there is a God or not?

I mean, does it really impact on your life if someone else does or doesn't believe in God.

Personally, I think religion has always been a form of control and stand by that because if you do any research you will see that Islam, Christianity and Judaism have almost identical stories and festivals to earlier pagan religions.

The dominant religions became so by simply imitating key aspects of preceding religions in order to make it easier to convert others.

Still going

Metro - Your analogy about going round a circuit is decent, but it also includes time....it takes time to go round the circuit. There was no time in which to create energy.

The fact that words like 'infinite' and 'nothing' are used just means we understand it to a point.....then we're useless.

Maybe something happened outwith our universe's time/life/whatever(my head hurts)

I just think it's good that someone actually put forward an attempt at justifying the something from nothing theory,.

I like to say I am an atheist and I think all religions known to humanity are ridiculous
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The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster would probably agree with you

http://www.venganza.org/

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Tangaroa is one of the great gods, the god of the sea. He is a son of Ranginui and Papatuanuku, Sky and Earth. After he joins his brothers Rongo, Tūmatauenga, Haumia, and Tane in the forcible separation of their parents, he is attacked by his brother Tawhirimatea, the god of storms, and forced to hide in the sea. Tangaroa is the father of many sea creatures. Tangaroa's son, Punga, has two children, Ikatere, the ancestor of fish, and Tu-te-wehiwehi (or Tu-te-wanawana), the ancestor of reptiles. Terrified by Tawhirimatea’s onslaught, the fish seek shelter in the sea, and the reptiles in the forests. Ever since, Tangaroa has held a grudge with Tāne, the god of forests, because he offers refuge to his runaway children.

Religion is a means to control people and convert people who don't follow said groups rules

comment by Respected Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 28 seconds ago
"I mean, does it really impact on your life if someone else does or doesn't believe in God."

Fu cking this 1000 times.
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How is it possible to even f uck that once?

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comment by Respected Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
"I mean, does it really impact on your life if someone else does or doesn't believe in God."

Fu cking this 1000 times.
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I think it's wrong to think that it wouldn't impact our lives.

How would it impact morality? How would we decide what was moral?

Killers/rapists etc would ultimately get no justice

Pretty awful free for all if you ask me.

What about parallel universes?

Where do people stand on that?

comment by There's only One Matter: (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
Religion is a means to control people and convert people who don't follow said groups rules
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Religion, not a person with religious beliefs

Unbelievable how many people equate religion to people with a religious belief.

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comment by Greatteamswinit4times I'm dogmatic (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
Does it really matter if there is a God or not?

I mean, does it really impact on your life if someone else does or doesn't believe in God.

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It's never about the individual though is it. I doubt anyone has an issue with a person because of their religion. The issue is the religion as a whole.
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People take out their issues with mass religions on individual believers of said religion on a regular basis. It's no less ignorant or poorly founded that the religion they claim to be so intellectually superior to

The contention between Tangaroa and Tāne, the father of birds,trees, and humans, is an indication that the Māori thought of the ocean and the land as opposed realms. When people go out to sea to fish or to travel, they are in effect representatives of Tāne entering the realm of Tāne's enemy. For this reason, it was important that offerings were made to Tangaroa before any such expedition.

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It’s also worth noting that thanks to archaeology many aspects of Christian beliefs have found to have been copied from others who practiced them prior to Jebus and co.

Marriage (and the marriage ceremony) an example long believed to stem from the bible but subsequently discovered to have been practiced by the ancient Egyptians long before Christianity.

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