None issue. Will be cleared.
Dopey English umpire who made 12 howlers needs to be more concerned about what the LBW law is rather then trying to prove a bowler is chucking when that same action has been cleared.
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Afridi. please stick to the topic, and not try to ruin yet another thread.
This is the 2nd time Ajmal has been flagged up, surely something is wrong. Why is it just him being reported time and time again?
Hes been in the Media often enough too.
Its in the current media outlets, so its a fair topic to discuss
If this is the 2nd time he's been reported when taking over 400 international wickets then how is it "time and time again"?
The ICC have allowed his action because he has proven that after an accident early on in his career he can only bowl this way and is not cheating.
If he really is chucking and it is proved so , then fair enough. The verdict should be respected.
harbhajan singh chucked it big time. but Indians get special treatment
Question about testing:
Is the bowler undergoing testing required to use the same action he used in the match in which was reported for suspected action?
Robbie - Im hoping they analyse his bowling in matches..rather then one they do during testing itself.
Its easy to cheat the system that way, and just make the change for the purposes of the test.
Im sure the ICC are not that naive.
Kash - hes constanly in the media for it. Look at some You tube vids..his arms bent.
Neon he has already said that like Murali in the past that the ICC have given him special dispensation to bowl with that action. Due to an accident it is not possible for him to bowl in a straight arm.
Whoever put the complaint forward made a booboo
regarding the rule of why he can bowl with a bent arm..its pants
IMO, ICC should make chucking legal. That way cricket will be relevant and it will be a true test for batsmen, Cricket will then bypass Baseball as the most allround batnball sport.
comment by lefty (U17934)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Robbie - Im hoping they analyse his bowling in matches..rather then one they do during testing itself.
Its easy to cheat the system that way, and just make the change for the purposes of the test.
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The Australian lab, which seems to have the monopoly for testing, tests in conditions different than actual match conditions. The bowler's arm is hooked to numerous electronic leads at various points. This approach makes it difficult for the bowler to use his arm and wrist in the same way he used in a match setting. Furthermore, it is not an ideal simulation actual bowling in the real setting. Unless there is a way the lab experts can assess the bowling action in a real match via slow motion or other means, I have my reservations about this testing process.
If Ajmal is reported for his doosra, it's not that surprising because several offspinners have been reported for the same, and the legality of doosra for long been a controversial topic regardless of who is delivering it. However, if they are questioning his stock ball, the off-break, that's worrisome for him and his team. After all, he is currently the most successful and most feared spinner.
I am guessing the umpire that reports suspect bowling action is the umpire at the bowling end. How can he watch the bowler's foot landing for no-ball and at the same time scrutinise the straightening of his elbow? A lot is being asked of the umpires these days!
If we have ball-tracking technology to assist review of LBW decisions, why can't they develop elbow-bend-tracking technology? Maybe the technology developers have concerns that after they put in a lot of effort to develop the technology, BCCI will say NO to using it!
comment by Robbie84 (U17946)
posted 34 minutes ago
If we have ball-tracking technology to assist review of LBW decisions, why can't they develop elbow-bend-tracking technology? Maybe the technology developers have concerns that after they put in a lot of effort to develop the technology, BCCI will say NO to using it!
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I reckon as its a Pakistan player being reported, the BCCI will welcome it with open arms
With all the variations he bowls, Aswin is at high risk for getting reported one of these days, especially with that stop-go stride and jerky delivery. Life of an off-spinner these days is hard. A leg-spinner can bowl a googly, flipper and top-spinner without ever having to straighten his elbow. Anything an off-spinner does that is a bit of variation is getting scrutiny. I am surprised that left-arm spinners are not coming up more variations.
Tony Lock would not have lasted one test series if he were to bowl today.
Swann had one of the cleanest actions for an off-spinner. But, if you don't have these odd ones like the doosra and carrom ball, and if you are struggling with your classic deception with drift and loop, you get whacked as he did in Australia.
Broad tweeted abotu Chuckmals actions too:
Ajmal was at the centre of a controversy in May this year when England's Stuart Broad appeared to question the legality of the spin bowler's action. According to Ajmal, a tweet from Broad had seemed to suggest that the action he used on the field was different from the one he employed while testing
(from CricInfo)
The Stop\Start delivery is legitimate as he does nto break out of his bowling action, and is delivered with a straight arm.
He gets reported, apparently, all he needs to say is he fell over when he was young, so must bowl with a straight bent arm
comment by lefty (U17934)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
He gets reported, apparently, all he needs to say is he fell over when he was young, so must bowl with a straight bent arm
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Whatever has happened in the past doesnt matter. Pakistan should worried as if its found to be illegal he will be banned. Thats the WC gone
He gets reported, apparently, all he needs to say is he fell over when he was young, so must bowl with a straight bent arm
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This isn't a test in some dodgy Indian lab. He was tested independently in Australia and they concluded the accident from an earlier age has given him this defect.
Kash - how he bowls in a test situation maybe quite different to how he bowls in a match. Lets wait for the results.
I've seen some close ups of his arm bowling, and it it definitely not straight.
Dont forget there was another 2 spinners who got banned recently, for bowling illegal deliveries. Hopefully, just because Ajmal is currently the best spinner in the world, wont bias the results of the test in anyway.
also to add:
In an interview after the series, Ajmal claimed that the International Cricket Council (ICC) had given him a special concession of 23.5 degrees. He claimed that the bend in his arm was caused due to an accident and that it is a deformity. Those comments caused quite a stir and the ICC clarified things by saying that there was no special concession granted to anyone.
lets stick to facts hey
The ICC president has said that that comment was lost in translation and that him bowling with a bent arm is no problem providing it does not change more than 15 degrees after. So all the pictures the English press like to show with a bent arm are insignificant because he does bowl with a legal bent arm but does not flex it beyond 15 degrees.
I think everyone needs education. Look at the video in the article below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28741554
comment by (Kash) Coutinho's Through Ball - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The ICC president has said that that comment was lost in translation and that him bowling with a bent arm is no problem providing it does not change more than 15 degrees after. So all the pictures the English press like to show with a bent arm are insignificant because he does bowl with a legal bent arm but does not flex it beyond 15 degrees.
I think everyone needs education. Look at the video in the article below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28741554
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Ok so another change in story
now the ICC have no special rule for him??
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posted on 11/8/14
None issue. Will be cleared.
Dopey English umpire who made 12 howlers needs to be more concerned about what the LBW law is rather then trying to prove a bowler is chucking when that same action has been cleared.
posted on 11/8/14
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posted on 11/8/14
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posted on 11/8/14
Afridi. please stick to the topic, and not try to ruin yet another thread.
This is the 2nd time Ajmal has been flagged up, surely something is wrong. Why is it just him being reported time and time again?
Hes been in the Media often enough too.
Its in the current media outlets, so its a fair topic to discuss
posted on 11/8/14
If this is the 2nd time he's been reported when taking over 400 international wickets then how is it "time and time again"?
The ICC have allowed his action because he has proven that after an accident early on in his career he can only bowl this way and is not cheating.
posted on 11/8/14
If he really is chucking and it is proved so , then fair enough. The verdict should be respected.
posted on 11/8/14
harbhajan singh chucked it big time. but Indians get special treatment
posted on 11/8/14
Question about testing:
Is the bowler undergoing testing required to use the same action he used in the match in which was reported for suspected action?
posted on 11/8/14
Robbie - Im hoping they analyse his bowling in matches..rather then one they do during testing itself.
Its easy to cheat the system that way, and just make the change for the purposes of the test.
Im sure the ICC are not that naive.
Kash - hes constanly in the media for it. Look at some You tube vids..his arms bent.
posted on 11/8/14
Neon he has already said that like Murali in the past that the ICC have given him special dispensation to bowl with that action. Due to an accident it is not possible for him to bowl in a straight arm.
posted on 11/8/14
Whoever put the complaint forward made a booboo
regarding the rule of why he can bowl with a bent arm..its pants
posted on 11/8/14
IMO, ICC should make chucking legal. That way cricket will be relevant and it will be a true test for batsmen, Cricket will then bypass Baseball as the most allround batnball sport.
posted on 11/8/14
comment by lefty (U17934)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
Robbie - Im hoping they analyse his bowling in matches..rather then one they do during testing itself.
Its easy to cheat the system that way, and just make the change for the purposes of the test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Australian lab, which seems to have the monopoly for testing, tests in conditions different than actual match conditions. The bowler's arm is hooked to numerous electronic leads at various points. This approach makes it difficult for the bowler to use his arm and wrist in the same way he used in a match setting. Furthermore, it is not an ideal simulation actual bowling in the real setting. Unless there is a way the lab experts can assess the bowling action in a real match via slow motion or other means, I have my reservations about this testing process.
If Ajmal is reported for his doosra, it's not that surprising because several offspinners have been reported for the same, and the legality of doosra for long been a controversial topic regardless of who is delivering it. However, if they are questioning his stock ball, the off-break, that's worrisome for him and his team. After all, he is currently the most successful and most feared spinner.
posted on 11/8/14
I am guessing the umpire that reports suspect bowling action is the umpire at the bowling end. How can he watch the bowler's foot landing for no-ball and at the same time scrutinise the straightening of his elbow? A lot is being asked of the umpires these days!
posted on 11/8/14
If we have ball-tracking technology to assist review of LBW decisions, why can't they develop elbow-bend-tracking technology? Maybe the technology developers have concerns that after they put in a lot of effort to develop the technology, BCCI will say NO to using it!
posted on 11/8/14
comment by Robbie84 (U17946)
posted 34 minutes ago
If we have ball-tracking technology to assist review of LBW decisions, why can't they develop elbow-bend-tracking technology? Maybe the technology developers have concerns that after they put in a lot of effort to develop the technology, BCCI will say NO to using it!
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I reckon as its a Pakistan player being reported, the BCCI will welcome it with open arms
posted on 11/8/14
With all the variations he bowls, Aswin is at high risk for getting reported one of these days, especially with that stop-go stride and jerky delivery. Life of an off-spinner these days is hard. A leg-spinner can bowl a googly, flipper and top-spinner without ever having to straighten his elbow. Anything an off-spinner does that is a bit of variation is getting scrutiny. I am surprised that left-arm spinners are not coming up more variations.
Tony Lock would not have lasted one test series if he were to bowl today.
Swann had one of the cleanest actions for an off-spinner. But, if you don't have these odd ones like the doosra and carrom ball, and if you are struggling with your classic deception with drift and loop, you get whacked as he did in Australia.
posted on 11/8/14
Broad tweeted abotu Chuckmals actions too:
Ajmal was at the centre of a controversy in May this year when England's Stuart Broad appeared to question the legality of the spin bowler's action. According to Ajmal, a tweet from Broad had seemed to suggest that the action he used on the field was different from the one he employed while testing
(from CricInfo)
The Stop\Start delivery is legitimate as he does nto break out of his bowling action, and is delivered with a straight arm.
He gets reported, apparently, all he needs to say is he fell over when he was young, so must bowl with a straight bent arm
posted on 12/8/14
comment by lefty (U17934)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
He gets reported, apparently, all he needs to say is he fell over when he was young, so must bowl with a straight bent arm
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posted on 12/8/14
Whatever has happened in the past doesnt matter. Pakistan should worried as if its found to be illegal he will be banned. Thats the WC gone
posted on 12/8/14
He gets reported, apparently, all he needs to say is he fell over when he was young, so must bowl with a straight bent arm
===========================
This isn't a test in some dodgy Indian lab. He was tested independently in Australia and they concluded the accident from an earlier age has given him this defect.
posted on 12/8/14
Kash - how he bowls in a test situation maybe quite different to how he bowls in a match. Lets wait for the results.
I've seen some close ups of his arm bowling, and it it definitely not straight.
Dont forget there was another 2 spinners who got banned recently, for bowling illegal deliveries. Hopefully, just because Ajmal is currently the best spinner in the world, wont bias the results of the test in anyway.
posted on 12/8/14
also to add:
In an interview after the series, Ajmal claimed that the International Cricket Council (ICC) had given him a special concession of 23.5 degrees. He claimed that the bend in his arm was caused due to an accident and that it is a deformity. Those comments caused quite a stir and the ICC clarified things by saying that there was no special concession granted to anyone.
lets stick to facts hey
posted on 12/8/14
The ICC president has said that that comment was lost in translation and that him bowling with a bent arm is no problem providing it does not change more than 15 degrees after. So all the pictures the English press like to show with a bent arm are insignificant because he does bowl with a legal bent arm but does not flex it beyond 15 degrees.
I think everyone needs education. Look at the video in the article below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28741554
posted on 12/8/14
comment by (Kash) Coutinho's Through Ball - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The ICC president has said that that comment was lost in translation and that him bowling with a bent arm is no problem providing it does not change more than 15 degrees after. So all the pictures the English press like to show with a bent arm are insignificant because he does bowl with a legal bent arm but does not flex it beyond 15 degrees.
I think everyone needs education. Look at the video in the article below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28741554
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Ok so another change in story
now the ICC have no special rule for him??
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