I truly applaud the protest and those who attend but until every fan from EVERY club in the land drops their colours and stands side by side for a day then nothing will change

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Last year there were only about 100 of us who made the march. We had no publicity.

This year there will be at least double the number and a lot more publicity.

Fans from numerous clubs are now getting involved. Hopefully we can make some difference or at least get the word out there.

I want my team to be successful, which means I want my club to be a successful business which generates profit.
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Yes, that's the point: clubs won't do it individually, for fear of being uncompetitive.

But in Germany, there are centrally imposed regulations (they may even be governmental restrictions), which have allowed stadium fans to retain their stakeholding in the sport.

It wouldn't have to be done in exactly the same way, and the clubs would still get huge revenues from the TV audiences.

So let's put this to bed.

FSG are a business, and Anfield is full every week. They won't be lowering prices because they don't have to.

Fans that are younger or from outside of Liverpool or have more money are still 'real' fans.

You can moan and march and cry and wish we were still píssing in each other's pockets all you like.

It won't change a thing <ok€

Good debate reds

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I stand by my point.

Ticket prices need to be capped or brought under control

If us fans can achieve this by gaining media coverage etc then let's give it a try. I am a red and I was born to fight for my beliefs. I will do everything in my power to try and help the campaign.

Good debate though

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Have a little think about that, as a Liverpool fan. I can think of protest that achieved things.

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Oh stop it FFS!

Aside from that silly analogy..

You can't make a business charge less for their own product by simply marching and complaining. The ONLY way is by people not going and that will NEVER happen.
The FA couldn't even force clubs to charge less., they would get battered in court.

If people think charging £20 would keep 'people with iPads' (wtf?), non scousers and rich people away, think again!

I would LOVE to pay less to go, but I'm a realist and some of you need to get a grip of reality.

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It's not a literal thing, pockets were roughly còck height

It's not a literal thing, pockets were roughly còck height
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Well, I never saw it, in 6 years of having a season-ticket, and I didn't even see anybody complain about it,.so I don't know how literally it was meant.
I always thought it was an urban myth.

I remember the yellow river cascading down the steps at half-time, but whenever I saw the originators of it, they tended to tell the people around them first, and clear a little area.

I'm not sure it would have been wise to try and do it without telling anybody, (and hope they didn't notice a wet patch appearing around their pockets).

Oh stop it FFS!
Aside from that silly analogy..
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It’s not a silly analogy.
You were categorising protest as pointless whingeing, (which isn’t debate, it’s name-calling, apart from being demonstrably untrue. The analogy was just an illustration that it’s not true).

It’s not only Liverpool fans who believe that protest had an effect against the previous owners, I’ve seen the point made by journos, too
There is a lot of meek acquiescence around, granted, but it’s not mandatory.

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The ONLY way is by people not going and that will NEVER happen
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No, it won’t ever happen, but who says it’s the ONLY way? It can only ever be achieved by consensus (ie.not club by club, but centrally).

Why is it possible in Germany, but not here?

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If people think charging £20 would keep 'people with iPads' (wtf?), non scousers and rich people away, think again!
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Is there somebody on this thread who referred to iPads, non-Scousers and rich people, or have you just made that up?

If they did, I missed it, but your reply quoted my post, and my own point is that if you only cater to rich people, you change the product. It doesn’t mean I object to rich people, ffs, I’ve got plenty of moolah myself, thanks.

Nor do I object to non-Scousers. I live in London now, and some of the people I go to the match with are non-Scousers, so as far as I can tell, you’re addressing a point that nobody’s making.

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some of you need to get a grip of reality.
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It’s a reality in Germany.
Try addressing the points made, rather than imaginary points, and tell me why it can only happen in Germany?

While you’re at it, tell me if you’d be happy for the stadium to be moved to another city, given your belief that financial criteria are the only realistic prerogatives for running a football club?

According to the owners, the only reason a shared stadium with Everton is a non-starter is that the fans don’t want it, so even FSG don’t believe that finance dictates everything, because I'm sure they could force it through and still fill it, if they wanted to.

Telling people to "get a grip of reality" is not debate, it's just a delusion that only people who agree with you can see clearly.

Is there somebody on this thread who referred to iPads, non-Scousers and rich people, or have you just made that up?
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Don't accuse me of making stuff up when you haven't even read all the posts you nugget!


You keep repeating the same crap in a patronising way but side step the actual issues like the club being a private enterprise. So what if it happens in Germany!

If you start protesting to FSG you know what they will say? They will say you wanted CL football - we brought it. You wanted a better squad - we gave you one. You wanted a debt free club - we cleared the debt. You wanted to be challenging for the title - we are. You wanted a stable club - we gave you one. You wanted a better/bigger ground - we are building one.

But you don't want to pay for it?

LAUGHABLE.

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This is not an issue solely affecting Liverpool.

It is the whole league, hence why the protests have been aimed at the Football League and Premier League headquarters in London, rather than the clubs individually as they have the resource, and influence to do something about it.

In regard to Germany, it’s not just not the Bundesliga who have an affordable and reasonable ticket policy. Tickets are more affordable across the Europe’s top leagues (Spain, France, Italy, and Portugal for example).

A season ticket to watch Real Madrid (the richest club on the planet) costs £177. Barca a similar amount. That amount would get you around three games in the PL.

The PL media rights revenue alone could have let every PL club admit each and every supporter for all PL games for FREE last year, without them being any worse off than the year before.

The fact is that PL fans are being exploited and taken advantage of by the greed that has infected the game, and most fans want change that has been evidenced throughout the rest of Europe.

I know that but the FA can't do anything about it. If they tried to cap ticket prices, every owner in the league would have their day in court!

Asking clubs to wipe 2/3 off their match day revenue would bankrupt half the league. Hedge fund owners like FSG would simply sell up and move on. That would be terrible for LFC.

Football is a business like it or not.

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This matter has nothing to do with the FA.

I am fully aware of the corporate/commercial characteristics of football – I work in finance myself and have an interest in how finance and football go hand in hand – and in particular FFP.

As previously advised club match day revenue is miniscule when compared to other revenue streams, and clubs could effortlessly accommodate a more affordable ticketing policy – as they do throughout the rest of Europe.

As affordable ticketing was successfully campaigned for, then implemented in Europe, there is no reason (other than club greed) that it could not be employed in the UK.

Sigh. The airlines comparison is completely meaningless. I could have used "I want to buy milk, but can't afford it".
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Oh, ffs.
Replace the word "airlines" with milk, then, it doesn't change the point.

I know your point wasn't specific to airlines, but if my argument is that football clubs are not run on strictly business principles in the same way as other businesses, it doesn't matter which business is used as an example, and I only used airlines because you did.

Which point have I missed?

Don't accuse me of making stuff up when you haven't even read all the posts you nugget!
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Then don’t quote my posts when you’re replying to somebody else. What’s the point of that?

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You keep repeating the same crap in a patronising way
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Yes, because you keep replying with the same points.
I haven’t “side stepped” the issue of the club being a private enterprise, I made a counter-argument, which you side-stepped.

Your point is that it can’t be done with private enterprises, and yet it’s done in Germany, (where the clubs are private enterprises), yet your reply to that, is “so what?”.

It demonstrates that it can be done with private enterprises, that’s what. It’s a counter-argument to the point you made, and you keep side-stepping it. If governing bodies can regulate markets in Germany, why are you arguing that they can’t do it here?

As for being patronising, it was you that started using words like “silly”, and “get a grip on reality”

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If you start protesting to FSG you know what they will say?
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My understanding was that the proposed protest was to the FA, not to FSG.

I haven’t advocated any protest against FSG, not many clubs are going to do it unilaterally, (as I’ve already said). So what FSG would say about it is kind of irrelevant, it’s another reply to a point that wasn’t made.

I don’t have an issue with FSG, they are operating the way that the market regulation encourages them to, and I wouldn’t expect them to do anything else.

The point you’ve made is that ticket-prices should be determined by the market, as with other types of business, and not even FSG believe that.

If they did, ticket-prices would probably be twice as much as they are now, so what we’re arguing about is the level at which ticket-prices start to damage the product, not the principle of whether they should be artificially set, because they already are artificially set (as with other sporting events, such as the Olympics).

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