I think you get good judgements and bad judgements from both.

Sometimes people at the game can get caught up in the crowd. People watching on TV get swayed by the commentators.


I find people who go to the games then watch it on TV later are the best judges.

Well that sounds to me that you are saying tv judgement is best because you implying that you are looking for confirmation of your opinions from tv...

Depends where you sit in the ground. In the North and South stands it can be difficult to see everything properly and therefore give a decent assessment. The best place to judge a game would be sat centrally in the East or West stands in my opinion.

I agree with both of you, both are right.

A fan stood behind goal has basically one angle to look at, straight down pitch.

The further the ball goes up field, the more limited that fans view is of tackles, passes and incidents etc.

Action close up to the goal he's behind gives him a birds eye view.

A person watching game on telly would actually have the best advantage as the TV cameras can zoom in on ball, tackles, incidents and goals, including off side traps.

TV cameras show all angles and cover every blade of grass on pitch.

A person sat on halfway line has a view of both halves of pitch, and would have a much better view than being behind goal.

All up, we're probably going to get 3 different opinions on certain incidents happening on pitch, which, realistically speaking means, they all call it as they themselves see it and perceive it.

However, over all, the camera will give the best close ups and angles.

Believe it or not, some people won't accept that.

Nobody on here, I don't believe nuffink until I see it with my own eyes..............!

That said, you, Highlandwhite and StefanoDee when you've not been to a game tend to have it right.

It's a kerfuffle isn't it......?

D'Jeezus makes a good point, but I would add that I find people who go to the games, listen to it on the radio live, read up all the press coverage later then watch it on TV whilst not agreeing with anything Peter Beagrie or Don Goodman say later are the best judges.......!

Thanks guys...good comments Luvr if I may say so.

You can't see everything on the tv.

When watching footy on the tv, you have the advantage of multiple replays and angles. Although when st the match you can see more movement off the ball. e.g. runs off the ball positional play. Personally I prefer to be at the game but sometimes when I have been convinced something has happened during a match, e.g. a foul, off side decision or penalty. I have had my mind changed when watch highlights on tv. It certainly gives me some respect for how hard a refs job is at times.

People who go to the game miss out on the intricacies of the game, they are forced to exist in a subjective state. Therefore any analysis is going to be (for the most part) superficial. The going to games argument only holds up when several games have been witnessed and that subjective state is forced to become objective through familiarity (hence why Wakey who come the end of the season, has a better understanding of on pitch affairs) however after one, two games it doesn't apply.

Like I mentioned somewhere else, the armchair fan has access to real time experience boosters like expert pundits, commentators, pause, rewind, stat analysis and tactical viewpoints.

So IMO, at this stage at the season the armchair fan is king, however as the season goes on the season ticket holder holds more sway.

You certainly may say so NJS, MORE, MORE, MORE

I always record the games and skin through to see if certain decisions were correct etc.

I often change my mind having done that, but in general, you see a lot more at the game, when you have a good view that is.

Gate...u can these days.

Good comments guys! But the jury is still out IMO...

Personally, I think if possible most people would choose to go the game rather than watch it on tv. Not saying this gives the best judgment as 2 people watching the game Sat next to each other either at the game or in front of a tv screen can interpret the game differently. One thing for sure you can't get the same atmosphere in front of a screen as you can at the game imo

It makes not 1 jot as we all have differing opinions & see things in a different way. SO what 1 perccives to be so the other belives different. Ie 2 are people looking out of a window & watch a man go past their house at speed, when asked 1 says he was running the next says he was walking fast but the only fact that is stable is that a man went passsed their house.

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It makes not 1 jot as we all have differing opinions & see things in a different way. SO what 1 perccives to be so the other belives different. Ie 2 are people looking out of a window & watch a man go past their house at speed, when asked 1 says he was running the next says he was walking fast but the only fact that is stable is that a man went passsed their house.
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100% agree. That's why talking and watching footy is great & frustrating at times

People like myself and others who live a fair distance from ER and can't get to matches for one reason or another can only judge by what we hear or what we see on TV, this is one reason why I always look for player ratings from someone who was lucky enough to be at the game, both views have their merits so i'll take both views to form my overall picture of the game.

Think mr reasonable makes a, well, reasonable argument.

I'd say you get more detail on the tv, and an overall better perspective of the flow of the game/formation etc at the ground... Dependent to some degree on seating position.

The reason why I give credence to guys who are season ticket holders is that they see more games do they get a better perspective on performances over a season rather than one specific game.

2 good factual comments by Reasonable and H.

It depends on the person.

Like has been said TV gives the advantage of following the ball close up all the time, however that often does not give the entire picture.

Unless they do a full analysis of the game on the telly then more often than not you just get the ball watch cam where tht is followed for 90 minutes.

This can often overlook what players are doing in the room up.

For example on the telly a defender makes a last ditch tackle and save a goal - wow what a defender

However at the game the same tackle is made and it was only last ditch cause the defender had wondered off - something the camera missed cause it followed the ball - rubbish defender.

It's swings and roundabouts and the opinion is only as good as both the person makin it and the information they have at hand

Overall, long term Milkyboy you'd be right, however,

no malice by the way some fans overseas or live to far away to go to matches may subscribe to LUTV, in which case they may watch every game.

In this case it would be 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

even with tv replays, it doesn't matter take the disallowed goal I my self do not agree or disagree, the ref made the decission & I live with that. wether I believe it was a goal or not. But if a player puts himself in a position for the ref to make a decission will 8 times out of 10 it will go against

good article njs, right now I have to rely on radio and you guys. I'm still not sure what happened yesterday, but we won. will look into lutv.

Don't care whether people went to the game or watched it on TV.

What I care about is people who sat and home and watched it questioning the support of those who actually paid their money and went to Elland Road just because they have an opinion of the performance that can be percieved as negative.

Best

I applaud all fans who actually can get to the match and pass on their own opinions of the game. To me they have a true feeling for the club and I respect their right to have views heard.

We armchair "supporters" from afar cannot see or feel the atmosphere generated at the match and although we may see things differently we ALL together enjoy seeing progress at the club.

Thanks for all for those running match comments, reviews, opinions, and even criticisms as it all contribute to a successful club debating forum.