I think all Utd fans are worried by the footballing side of the business, form the squad to the transfer strategy. If they aren't they will be come Sept 1st.
And Rojo looks about 12. I'm sure the likes of Costa and Lukaku will relish playing against him.
I think Rojo looks like one of those players who will give his all and the fans will appreciate that. Whether he is good enough to actually take us to the level we require or even get in ahead of what we currently have is still unknown.
One of our big problems in recent years is spending money on averageness and paying them high wages meaning they are difficult to sell. Rojo could very well turn out to be another one of those signings, but TBH I couldn't say.
I wish him all the best at the club.
£16m is not a large fee tbh. See what players in the PL are moving for at the moment.
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
It still adds up. Some people are moaning potentially spending £50m on di Maria, saying he's only worth £35m. That's only a £15m difference but it all adds up.
I personally feel that you get what you pay for and getting a player of the calibre of di Maria will cost a lot of money. If we aren't willing to spend big on individual players then don't expect much.
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
Just yesterday we heard the AM chairman say that we had table a big money offer for Reus but that he has turned us down. Now, if that is the case, it is a big potential transfer target that none of us had a clue about. Just goes to show that we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. That is why I will wait until the window closes before I judge what we have done in terms of transfers.
It's another poor piece from him. He blames Woodward for failing to secure deals but struggles to come up with examples
Vermalean - we moved to replace rio and vidic. Is Woodward to blame for arsenals unrealistic demands for smalling and the players preference for Barcelona?
Failing to replace rio and vidic - We had two young CBs in the squad waiting to step up in jones and smalling plus moved for vermalean and have since signed Rojo.
Di Maria. - are we actually in for him? I know some have interpreted LVG comments about not having top wingers to be a cryptic demand for di Maria but those comments actually came about when he explained why he had gone 352 ( decision to accommodate RVP Rooney and mata made easier by lack of top wingers)
If LVG comes out on 2nd September and said the club failed him I insist window them yes, Woodward has to go. But For the time being I have no reason to believe this journalist over LVG, who has said the delay is down to his continued assessment of the squad.
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 18 minutes ago
And Rojo looks about 12. I'm sure the likes of Costa and Lukaku will relish playing against him.
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ever seen Thiago Silva?
"It's another poor piece from him"
What were his others?
You're making assumptions just as much as anyone else here, just that your assumptions lean towards the other side, doesn't make them anymore correct.
Elvis
Fair enough, I've no doubt there's tonnes of info none of us know about but I think we still have some reason for concern. But like you say real judgement can't be made until the close of the window, I just worry that could be too late that's all.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 13 minutes ago
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
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Surely you can see the business thinking though?
We either pay those wages on a player that will hardly feature and whose sell on fee gets lower and lower.... Or we pay those wages for a year in the shop window and hope that his stock rises.
If he is worth £8m now, and we get £13m+ after a blistering year... We make money.
Obviously there are no guarantees.... But it seems a fairly obvious business practise.
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 21 minutes ago
And Rojo looks about 12. I'm sure the likes of Costa and Lukaku will relish playing against him.
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No where near as much as they will relish playing against Evans.
Had you watched him play in the world cup, the least of your concerns would be his physical atributes.
To be honest BB, I can only assume you are on the WUM with regards to your recent comments towards Rojo, because it is quite clear from them that you have nevers een him play.
82 - the guy is full of 5hit. Read this piece again. What is he telling us? Nothing. Just speculation.
As for me, what am I assuming???
You're assuming that nothing is wrong and people's concerns are ill informed.
There are no doubt many journalists that are full of sh-t, Samuel is and never has been one of them which is why I put the post up as he seems to ask valid questions based on his assessment on the situation.
As for nani. We are committed to those wages either way. Either we sell him or loan him out. Clearly there isn't the interest in him or the fees offered are low. Makes sense he is loaned to sporting if it was the difference between getting the Rojo deal done today or a week today.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - hustla service (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 13 minutes ago
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
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Surely you can see the business thinking though?
We either pay those wages on a player that will hardly feature and whose sell on fee gets lower and lower.... Or we pay those wages for a year in the shop window and hope that his stock rises.
If he is worth £8m now, and we get £13m+ after a blistering year... We make money.
Obviously there are no guarantees.... But it seems a fairly obvious business practise.
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I think that we have probably also paid less for Rojo in terms of the transfer fee that Sporting wnated as we are covering Nani's wages. That would actually suit Sporting, as it means that they receive all of the money/benefit from Nani's wages, rather than having to share it with the other party that owned some of Rojo.
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
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Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - hustla service (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 13 minutes ago
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
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Surely you can see the business thinking though?
We either pay those wages on a player that will hardly feature and whose sell on fee gets lower and lower.... Or we pay those wages for a year in the shop window and hope that his stock rises.
If he is worth £8m now, and we get £13m+ after a blistering year... We make money.
Obviously there are no guarantees.... But it seems a fairly obvious business practise.
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I think that we have probably also paid less for Rojo in terms of the transfer fee that Sporting wnated as we are covering Nani's wages. That would actually suit Sporting, as it means that they receive all of the money/benefit from Nani's wages, rather than having to share it with the other party that owned some of Rojo.
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Thats gd thinking that.......
82 a how am I assuming nothing is wrong? iv been vey clear in recent weeks that we need to strengthen the CB and CM positions. I just dont think Woodward is to blame for the delays based on LVG's comments, fact Fact rather than a journalists speculation that he can't back up. What are the valid questions he asks that haven't already been answered???
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
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Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
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Woodward has signed a further 4 players since then though.
Ji
You are making the mistake of thinking things through instead of jumping to conclusions and whineing.
This just will not do.
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 35 seconds ago
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
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Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
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You could well be right.
Equally, it could be that LVG didn't give Woodward the go ahead to pursue targets that he had highlighted as potential targets until we got back off tour. If that is the case, it has only been a couple of weeks.
We could have sold Nani for £8m + saved £5m on his wages, thus giving us £13m.
How on earth does him going to Sporting for a year and us paying his wages help us in any way at all?
Poor business once again by the club. Rojo is effectively costing us in the short term £16m + £13m for Nani.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - hustla service (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
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Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
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Woodward has signed a further 4 players since then though.
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An 18 year old from Southampton, a midfielder from Bilbao for who there was no competition and he had already fecked up last summer, and Mata who we hardly got at a good price.
it's like they are deals anybody else in his position couldn't handle, are they?
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posted on 20/8/14
I think all Utd fans are worried by the footballing side of the business, form the squad to the transfer strategy. If they aren't they will be come Sept 1st.
posted on 20/8/14
And Rojo looks about 12. I'm sure the likes of Costa and Lukaku will relish playing against him.
posted on 20/8/14
I think Rojo looks like one of those players who will give his all and the fans will appreciate that. Whether he is good enough to actually take us to the level we require or even get in ahead of what we currently have is still unknown.
One of our big problems in recent years is spending money on averageness and paying them high wages meaning they are difficult to sell. Rojo could very well turn out to be another one of those signings, but TBH I couldn't say.
I wish him all the best at the club.
posted on 20/8/14
£16m is not a large fee tbh. See what players in the PL are moving for at the moment.
posted on 20/8/14
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
posted on 20/8/14
It still adds up. Some people are moaning potentially spending £50m on di Maria, saying he's only worth £35m. That's only a £15m difference but it all adds up.
I personally feel that you get what you pay for and getting a player of the calibre of di Maria will cost a lot of money. If we aren't willing to spend big on individual players then don't expect much.
posted on 20/8/14
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
Just yesterday we heard the AM chairman say that we had table a big money offer for Reus but that he has turned us down. Now, if that is the case, it is a big potential transfer target that none of us had a clue about. Just goes to show that we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. That is why I will wait until the window closes before I judge what we have done in terms of transfers.
posted on 20/8/14
It's another poor piece from him. He blames Woodward for failing to secure deals but struggles to come up with examples
Vermalean - we moved to replace rio and vidic. Is Woodward to blame for arsenals unrealistic demands for smalling and the players preference for Barcelona?
Failing to replace rio and vidic - We had two young CBs in the squad waiting to step up in jones and smalling plus moved for vermalean and have since signed Rojo.
Di Maria. - are we actually in for him? I know some have interpreted LVG comments about not having top wingers to be a cryptic demand for di Maria but those comments actually came about when he explained why he had gone 352 ( decision to accommodate RVP Rooney and mata made easier by lack of top wingers)
If LVG comes out on 2nd September and said the club failed him I insist window them yes, Woodward has to go. But For the time being I have no reason to believe this journalist over LVG, who has said the delay is down to his continued assessment of the squad.
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 18 minutes ago
And Rojo looks about 12. I'm sure the likes of Costa and Lukaku will relish playing against him.
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ever seen Thiago Silva?
posted on 20/8/14
"It's another poor piece from him"
What were his others?
You're making assumptions just as much as anyone else here, just that your assumptions lean towards the other side, doesn't make them anymore correct.
Elvis
Fair enough, I've no doubt there's tonnes of info none of us know about but I think we still have some reason for concern. But like you say real judgement can't be made until the close of the window, I just worry that could be too late that's all.
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 13 minutes ago
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely you can see the business thinking though?
We either pay those wages on a player that will hardly feature and whose sell on fee gets lower and lower.... Or we pay those wages for a year in the shop window and hope that his stock rises.
If he is worth £8m now, and we get £13m+ after a blistering year... We make money.
Obviously there are no guarantees.... But it seems a fairly obvious business practise.
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 21 minutes ago
And Rojo looks about 12. I'm sure the likes of Costa and Lukaku will relish playing against him.
........................
No where near as much as they will relish playing against Evans.
Had you watched him play in the world cup, the least of your concerns would be his physical atributes.
To be honest BB, I can only assume you are on the WUM with regards to your recent comments towards Rojo, because it is quite clear from them that you have nevers een him play.
posted on 20/8/14
82 - the guy is full of 5hit. Read this piece again. What is he telling us? Nothing. Just speculation.
As for me, what am I assuming???
posted on 20/8/14
You're assuming that nothing is wrong and people's concerns are ill informed.
There are no doubt many journalists that are full of sh-t, Samuel is and never has been one of them which is why I put the post up as he seems to ask valid questions based on his assessment on the situation.
posted on 20/8/14
As for nani. We are committed to those wages either way. Either we sell him or loan him out. Clearly there isn't the interest in him or the fees offered are low. Makes sense he is loaned to sporting if it was the difference between getting the Rojo deal done today or a week today.
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - hustla service (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 13 minutes ago
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely you can see the business thinking though?
We either pay those wages on a player that will hardly feature and whose sell on fee gets lower and lower.... Or we pay those wages for a year in the shop window and hope that his stock rises.
If he is worth £8m now, and we get £13m+ after a blistering year... We make money.
Obviously there are no guarantees.... But it seems a fairly obvious business practise.
-----------------------------------
I think that we have probably also paid less for Rojo in terms of the transfer fee that Sporting wnated as we are covering Nani's wages. That would actually suit Sporting, as it means that they receive all of the money/benefit from Nani's wages, rather than having to share it with the other party that owned some of Rojo.
posted on 20/8/14
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
______________________________________
Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
posted on 20/8/14
Moyes > van Gaal
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - hustla service (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 13 minutes ago
There are reports emerging that Utd are paying Nani's wages in full for the season, £4.8m.
Absolute disgrace if that's true. No wonder Sporting are delighted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely you can see the business thinking though?
We either pay those wages on a player that will hardly feature and whose sell on fee gets lower and lower.... Or we pay those wages for a year in the shop window and hope that his stock rises.
If he is worth £8m now, and we get £13m+ after a blistering year... We make money.
Obviously there are no guarantees.... But it seems a fairly obvious business practise.
-----------------------------------
I think that we have probably also paid less for Rojo in terms of the transfer fee that Sporting wnated as we are covering Nani's wages. That would actually suit Sporting, as it means that they receive all of the money/benefit from Nani's wages, rather than having to share it with the other party that owned some of Rojo.
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Thats gd thinking that.......
posted on 20/8/14
82 a how am I assuming nothing is wrong? iv been vey clear in recent weeks that we need to strengthen the CB and CM positions. I just dont think Woodward is to blame for the delays based on LVG's comments, fact Fact rather than a journalists speculation that he can't back up. What are the valid questions he asks that haven't already been answered???
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
______________________________________
Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
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Woodward has signed a further 4 players since then though.
posted on 20/8/14
Ji
You are making the mistake of thinking things through instead of jumping to conclusions and whineing.
This just will not do.
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 35 seconds ago
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
______________________________________
Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
-------------------------------
You could well be right.
Equally, it could be that LVG didn't give Woodward the go ahead to pursue targets that he had highlighted as potential targets until we got back off tour. If that is the case, it has only been a couple of weeks.
posted on 20/8/14
We could have sold Nani for £8m + saved £5m on his wages, thus giving us £13m.
How on earth does him going to Sporting for a year and us paying his wages help us in any way at all?
Poor business once again by the club. Rojo is effectively costing us in the short term £16m + £13m for Nani.
posted on 20/8/14
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - hustla service (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can understand the concern, but we really have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, and lots of people are making assumptions.
______________________________________
Whilst that's true, it's also the same argument people used in defence of Woodward last summer. It seems there is a trend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woodward has signed a further 4 players since then though.
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An 18 year old from Southampton, a midfielder from Bilbao for who there was no competition and he had already fecked up last summer, and Mata who we hardly got at a good price.
it's like they are deals anybody else in his position couldn't handle, are they?
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