I don't think Red Bull will bring in team orders in this situation. I doubt they think realistically think Ricciardo can finish higher than 3rd. Bit of a come down if Vettel did have to act as a number 3 driver less than a year after his 4th title. Paper champion.
comment by MUDD - me and Wazza are tight. (U9612)
posted 20 minutes ago
Martial, they do not need to deploy team orders. Ricciardo does not need them as he is beating Seb and Seb is not beating any mercs.
So it is pointless
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you really cant see the wider picture can you mate -
there is no cast iron certainty that vettel will continue to have all the bad luck so the law of averages would suggest that without team orders vettel may at some stage be in a position to beat and take points from DR in some of the remaining races
-------- team orders will prevent vettel from doing this and in so doing so enhance DR points tally for the end of the season -
----------- after spa it is obvious that red bull have found a little more performance and vettel may be in a position to hold up the mercs for DR -
------------ do you know see the value and advantage of team orders should red bull decide to deploy them
Well we are more than halfway through the season martial and according to you Vettel is driving at a higher level bt is still acres behind Ricciardo.
As a matter of fact, Vettel has not come close this season to a merc and that is nlikely to change.
It does appear to me martial that yo are trying to make a case here for excuses for vettel come the end of the season, saying he was obeying team orders as an excuse for poor results.
There is no place to hide I'm afraid and Alonso was right, if his car is not the best and he's coming 5th etc, his titles are hollow.
Sso true
this is not really bad luck is it re: Vettel? I though he was struggling to adapt to the new rules?
Both a mask for his Paper Championships
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
oops The above post is a mistake.
I meant to post
I think all the excuses for Vettel's performance ran out a long time ago.
So I suppose the “team orders” excuse is the only straw left to grab hold of.
comment by MUDD - me and Wazza are tight. (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Well we are more than halfway through the season martial and according to you Vettel is driving at a higher level bt is still acres behind Ricciardo.
As a matter of fact, Vettel has not come close this season to a merc and that is nlikely to change.
It does appear to me martial that yo are trying to make a case here for excuses for vettel come the end of the season, saying he was obeying team orders as an excuse for poor results.
There is no place to hide I'm afraid and Alonso was right, if his car is not the best and he's coming 5th etc, his titles are hollow.
Sso true
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oh dear ------ it seems you are totally incapable of understanding the point of my topic and just wish to jabber on with the now customary anti vettel speech on every topic -
are you really incapable of understanding the point of my well thought out topic without going into your usual anti vettel hysteria
my topic was not about vettel"s difficult season , in fact it had nothing to do with vettel"s difficulties in his RB10 it was merely to discuss whether or not red bull will now employ team orders and whether or not they should do it and the implications for the merc drivers if red bull do it and if they do does riccardio have a decent shout for the drivers championship -
--------- is that really that hard to grasp without you going into your now customary parrot fashion anti vettel hysteria mode
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
martial artist (U9033)
The post your are quoting me on was made here in error. I posted it on the other thread. Therefore, I suggest that you use the other thread if you disagree with or require further explanation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/281802
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
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when people talk about not being a worthy champion what exactly does it mean then manx -
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
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when people talk about not being a worthy champion what exactly does it mean then manx -
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You seem to think Schumacher is not a worthy champion, why do you think so?
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
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when people talk about not being a worthy champion what exactly does it mean then manx -
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You seem to think Schumacher is not a worthy champion, why do you think so?
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i have never said micheal is not a worthy champion manx as he was a very good driver all be it along way in ability from some of the all time great drivers i have seen ,
------- i just believe his titles were very manufactured and contrived and he had more manufactured advantages than probably any other driver in the history of the sport
--------- however he was a very good driver and used his lucky situation to maximise his WDC chances every year and for that he deserves a certain amount of credit -
It would be pretty pointless as without the Mercedes' tripping over each other Ricciardo wouldn't stand a chance. Vettel is currently not quick enough to take points of the Mercedes', and Ricciardo will not be able to win the title by himself.
To summarise, a Mercedes will be winning the championship this season. So while Ricciardo's season isn't over, I think that it will come down to a third place at best.
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
comment by Čech Hook (U17554)
posted 55 minutes ago
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
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The article is a place holder which will be used in the future to suggest Seb was not competing with Ricciardo which is why he's being dominated.
The article is half a season late
comment by Čech Hook (U17554)
posted 9 hours, 25 minutes ago
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
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see where you are coming from , but it would seem in recent races vettel is starting to raise his game but alas is still having the mechanical and electrical gremlins -
we dont know what the final 7 races may hold for mercedes and whether red bull may lessen the gap between them not to mention that mercedes seem to have there own internal driver problems which could be the ideal situation for riccardio to take advantage of in which case team orders in his favour will only serve to aid his chances should red bull start to erode the gap between the two teams --
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 8 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Čech Hook (U17554)
posted 55 minutes ago
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
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The article is a place holder which will be used in the future to suggest Seb was not competing with Ricciardo which is why he's being dominated.
The article is half a season late
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i see vettel is still putting a bug up where the sun dont shine --- looks like it is blossoming into full blown paranoia
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red bull to now instigate team orders ?
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posted on 25/8/14
I don't think Red Bull will bring in team orders in this situation. I doubt they think realistically think Ricciardo can finish higher than 3rd. Bit of a come down if Vettel did have to act as a number 3 driver less than a year after his 4th title. Paper champion.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by MUDD - me and Wazza are tight. (U9612)
posted 20 minutes ago
Martial, they do not need to deploy team orders. Ricciardo does not need them as he is beating Seb and Seb is not beating any mercs.
So it is pointless
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you really cant see the wider picture can you mate -
there is no cast iron certainty that vettel will continue to have all the bad luck so the law of averages would suggest that without team orders vettel may at some stage be in a position to beat and take points from DR in some of the remaining races
-------- team orders will prevent vettel from doing this and in so doing so enhance DR points tally for the end of the season -
----------- after spa it is obvious that red bull have found a little more performance and vettel may be in a position to hold up the mercs for DR -
------------ do you know see the value and advantage of team orders should red bull decide to deploy them
posted on 25/8/14
Well we are more than halfway through the season martial and according to you Vettel is driving at a higher level bt is still acres behind Ricciardo.
As a matter of fact, Vettel has not come close this season to a merc and that is nlikely to change.
It does appear to me martial that yo are trying to make a case here for excuses for vettel come the end of the season, saying he was obeying team orders as an excuse for poor results.
There is no place to hide I'm afraid and Alonso was right, if his car is not the best and he's coming 5th etc, his titles are hollow.
Sso true
posted on 25/8/14
this is not really bad luck is it re: Vettel? I though he was struggling to adapt to the new rules?
Both a mask for his Paper Championships
posted on 25/8/14
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
posted on 25/8/14
oops The above post is a mistake.
I meant to post
I think all the excuses for Vettel's performance ran out a long time ago.
So I suppose the “team orders” excuse is the only straw left to grab hold of.
posted on 25/8/14
comment by MUDD - me and Wazza are tight. (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Well we are more than halfway through the season martial and according to you Vettel is driving at a higher level bt is still acres behind Ricciardo.
As a matter of fact, Vettel has not come close this season to a merc and that is nlikely to change.
It does appear to me martial that yo are trying to make a case here for excuses for vettel come the end of the season, saying he was obeying team orders as an excuse for poor results.
There is no place to hide I'm afraid and Alonso was right, if his car is not the best and he's coming 5th etc, his titles are hollow.
Sso true
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oh dear ------ it seems you are totally incapable of understanding the point of my topic and just wish to jabber on with the now customary anti vettel speech on every topic -
are you really incapable of understanding the point of my well thought out topic without going into your usual anti vettel hysteria
my topic was not about vettel"s difficult season , in fact it had nothing to do with vettel"s difficulties in his RB10 it was merely to discuss whether or not red bull will now employ team orders and whether or not they should do it and the implications for the merc drivers if red bull do it and if they do does riccardio have a decent shout for the drivers championship -
--------- is that really that hard to grasp without you going into your now customary parrot fashion anti vettel hysteria mode
posted on 25/8/14
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
posted on 25/8/14
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
posted on 25/8/14
martial artist (U9033)
The post your are quoting me on was made here in error. I posted it on the other thread. Therefore, I suggest that you use the other thread if you disagree with or require further explanation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/281802
posted on 25/8/14
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
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when people talk about not being a worthy champion what exactly does it mean then manx -
posted on 25/8/14
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
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when people talk about not being a worthy champion what exactly does it mean then manx -
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You seem to think Schumacher is not a worthy champion, why do you think so?
posted on 25/8/14
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whether Nico Rosberg knew what he was doing is irrelevant. He simply can not handle close quarter racing with anyone and especially when up against Lewis Hamilton.
If he had any sense he would have done what he always does and gain places because he has DRS and the car in front does not. Or the car in front is at least 2 secs slower. He should have waited until lap 4.
To be a worthy champion you have to do something yourself that is worthy. Not because some JA606 member has taken an irrational dislike to another driver.
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so basically you are saying that any driver that makes a slight error of judgement is not worthy of a drivers championship ?
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This is why I said I think you have learning difficulties. He has not said that at all
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when people talk about not being a worthy champion what exactly does it mean then manx -
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You seem to think Schumacher is not a worthy champion, why do you think so?
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i have never said micheal is not a worthy champion manx as he was a very good driver all be it along way in ability from some of the all time great drivers i have seen ,
------- i just believe his titles were very manufactured and contrived and he had more manufactured advantages than probably any other driver in the history of the sport
--------- however he was a very good driver and used his lucky situation to maximise his WDC chances every year and for that he deserves a certain amount of credit -
posted on 25/8/14
It would be pretty pointless as without the Mercedes' tripping over each other Ricciardo wouldn't stand a chance. Vettel is currently not quick enough to take points of the Mercedes', and Ricciardo will not be able to win the title by himself.
To summarise, a Mercedes will be winning the championship this season. So while Ricciardo's season isn't over, I think that it will come down to a third place at best.
posted on 25/8/14
*off the Mercedes'
posted on 28/8/14
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
posted on 28/8/14
comment by Čech Hook (U17554)
posted 55 minutes ago
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
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The article is a place holder which will be used in the future to suggest Seb was not competing with Ricciardo which is why he's being dominated.
The article is half a season late
posted on 28/8/14
comment by Čech Hook (U17554)
posted 9 hours, 25 minutes ago
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
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see where you are coming from , but it would seem in recent races vettel is starting to raise his game but alas is still having the mechanical and electrical gremlins -
we dont know what the final 7 races may hold for mercedes and whether red bull may lessen the gap between them not to mention that mercedes seem to have there own internal driver problems which could be the ideal situation for riccardio to take advantage of in which case team orders in his favour will only serve to aid his chances should red bull start to erode the gap between the two teams --
posted on 28/8/14
comment by M.U.D.D (U9612)
posted 8 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Čech Hook (U17554)
posted 55 minutes ago
This article is quite confusing......
How exactly can Seb help DR if the Mercedes are always going to qualify ahead of Seb plus DR himself always seems to be higher up the grid than Seb on qualy and race day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The article is a place holder which will be used in the future to suggest Seb was not competing with Ricciardo which is why he's being dominated.
The article is half a season late
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i see vettel is still putting a bug up where the sun dont shine --- looks like it is blossoming into full blown paranoia
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