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comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - a man of style and virtue. (U1301)
posted 5 seconds ago
needs to stop hoofing it
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He does it quite a lot mate, however you should see bar Mata how scared our players are in coming to receive the ball. Absolute joke for this level of football. Our centre mid fletcher is the biggest culprit.
I've been the most impressed with him, puts the likes of Evans and Smalling to shame who are older and supposedly more experienced. Jones was solid today as well, he's much better in the middle of the back three.
He's done alright but in the 2 games I've seen (Swansea and Burnley) the opponents have only played with 1 up top so 3 defenders is a bit overkill and they should offer more than just defending and in that respect he hasn't done much.
He' does seem to like a hoof too, although part of that problem in no midfielders dropping deep to receive the ball.
Still, not bad.
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - a man of style and virtue. (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
needs to stop hoofing it
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Yea he loves the hollywood pass but so too Rooney and no one told him to stop.
More importantly though, i remember him pass directly into the foot of rooney and he just lost it after receiving minimal pressure. Resulted in a counter attack on his side of which he was caught out of position because he did what he was meant to do.
You can understand why he would prefer the ball be literally across the pitch. I thought he would actually get praise for a few of his cross-field hollywood passes. 2 or 3 times it found Valencia in space, only for him to cross right into the first man as he has been clearly instructed to do for the last 3 years
Don't think Blackett's hoofs are similar to a Scholes/Rooney pass though. Blackett seems to not really have the skill set to make long range passes to specific players and I would argue that he isn't even aiming for certain people when he does hoof it unlike Scholes or Rooney.
There was a stat at half time of the percentage of our long balls that went to our own players, think it was around 35% which shows it isn't a very good option.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - a man of style and virtue. (U1301)
posted 5 seconds ago
needs to stop hoofing it
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He does it quite a lot mate, however you should see bar Mata how scared our players are in coming to receive the ball. Absolute joke for this level of football. Our centre mid fletcher is the biggest culprit.
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Blackett looks for a pass more than Jones and Evans, at one point it was going between Evans/ jones and the Burnley midfield for about a minute back and forth, completely aimless hoofs.
At least when Blackett goes long he looks for somebody, and actually found Valencia with his cross field pass more often than not.
He got skinned once in the second half, other than that he was solid defensively.
Far better on the ball than Evans, who could have cost us another two goals through terrible passes again today, just like versus MK Dons. This is an experienced pro who was captain in midweek.
The defence will never be able to pass the ball out until the midfield offer themselves. Young, Valencia and Fletcher were found just watching, marked far too often.
Blackett, for me, looks decent and I think he has some good attributes to build on.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think Blackett's hoofs are similar to a Scholes/Rooney pass though. Blackett seems to not really have the skill set to make long range passes to specific players and I would argue that he isn't even aiming for certain people when he does hoof it unlike Scholes or Rooney.
There was a stat at half time of the percentage of our long balls that went to our own players, think it was around 35% which shows it isn't a very good option.
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Rooney only hoofs the ball to Valencia. Since he has become gash, those passes are looking more and more useless.
Yeah I'm not saying I like Rooney's love of a cross field ball to Valencia but unlike Blackett I think Rooney has a better idea of where he wants his long balls to go, not that they always work.
Nothing wrong with the odd long ball, it will always be a very useful thing to do but I do think we and Blackett in particular do it a bit more than I would prefer. But he's young and still learning, so it would be harsh to slag him off too much for doing it.
Rooney only hoofs the ball to Valencia. Since he has become gash, those passes are looking more and more useless.
Let's be careful with confusing a long pass with a hoof. We were poor today, but in the second half we got the ball in good positions out wide a number of times.
Unfortunately our wide man was Valencia. If we are honest we would have won today if that was Di Maria or a winger of quality in that position. Why Rafael didn't start is beyond me.
Is Rafael fit?
I'd be disappointed if LVG doesn't rate him, think he could operate the wingback role well (if he's fit).
I seriously don't see the point in articles like this anymore.
Praising our young defenders is brilliant, I wish we could all think like that but in the next 2-3 years, we'll want to get rid.
Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck etc were all brilliant at youngsters, each and every single one of them. They had articles to praise them, all on here believing they'd take on the mantle but when their development hasn't gone to world-class, we all celebrate the news of them leaving.
None of our youngsters have made it at Manchester United in a very, very long time and it's because at a club like ours, we don't seem to have time for these footballers to grow.
There is something wrong in our development process.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
Don't think Blackett's hoofs are similar to a Scholes/Rooney pass though. Blackett seems to not really have the skill set to make long range passes to specific players and I would argue that he isn't even aiming for certain people when he does hoof it unlike Scholes or Rooney.
There was a stat at half time of the percentage of our long balls that went to our own players, think it was around 35% which shows it isn't a very good option.
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He is good at it, or at least has an idea why he is doing it. Its not like he just bends his head and hits it, he actually looks and aims.
More importantly though, it is key for the WCD to have that pass in his arsenal and attempt it often. Yea its not hitting its mark, but it is better for me than passing backwards to De Gea and risking it short or passing out to our front three who seem incapable of holding up the ball at the sniff of pressure.
He needs to cut it out but other than Di Maria's passes today, the best pass I saw came from one of his cross field passes that would have made the commentator say "thats why Rooney is world class" in a shady accent. I prefer him perfect it than stop it all together.
He needs to cut it out but other than Di Maria's passes today, the best pass I saw came from one of his cross field passes that would have made the commentator say "thats why Rooney is world class" in a shady accent. I prefer him perfect it than stop it all together.
But our long pass success rate was terrible at half time and I would say Blackett probably contributed most of them. He may have made the odd good one but he definitely made more that went to opponents.
Like I said, nothing wrong with a long ball, would just prefer we did a lot less than I've seen so far this season.
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 13 minutes ago
I seriously don't see the point in articles like this anymore.
Praising our young defenders is brilliant, I wish we could all think like that but in the next 2-3 years, we'll want to get rid.
Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck etc were all brilliant at youngsters, each and every single one of them. They had articles to praise them, all on here believing they'd take on the mantle but when their development hasn't gone to world-class, we all celebrate the news of them leaving.
None of our youngsters have made it at Manchester United in a very, very long time and it's because at a club like ours, we don't seem to have time for these footballers to grow.
There is something wrong in our development process.
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We want to get rid because we go and spend stupid money on individuals like Luke Shaw. Forced to play the lad because we went got taken to the cleaners as per usual.
1982
In a 3-5-2 that pass is essential to beat these pressing tactics we seem to be facing. Watch Juve and Hull you will see them a lot.
Op, we were saying this same sh!!!!t about welbeck and cleverley when they came through and look at them now.
If Blackett actually performed there would be more talk about him. Screw sentimentality, his been a figure in this shambolic defence.
comment by There's only One Matter: Long time reader, first time poster. (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
Op, we were saying this same sh!!!!t about welbeck and cleverley when they came through and look at them now.
If Blackett actually performed there would be more talk about him. Screw sentimentality, his been a figure in this shambolic defence.
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I never said cleverly will ever make it as a regularly into our starting eleven. Welbeck, yes. To be fair on welbeck we look more a team when he is up there with wazza and mata than we do with rap. He had one fine season playing with Rooney on top and we played some good football at times ( Arsenal 8-2 springs to mind).
Tyler Blackett rarely gets beat from what I've seen, he makes stupid mistakes such as giving the ball away too early which is easy to eradicate from his game.
Tyler Blackett rarely gets beat from what I've seen, he makes stupid mistakes such as giving the ball away too early which is easy to eradicate from his game.
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How is it easy? Could you explain that to Smalling, Jones and Evans etc...
Also, Evans was much better than Blackett at his age.
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 24 seconds ago
Tyler Blackett rarely gets beat from what I've seen, he makes stupid mistakes such as giving the ball away too early which is easy to eradicate from his game.
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How is it easy? Could you explain that to Smalling, Jones and Evans etc...
Also, Evans was much better than Blackett at his age.
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When he passed the ball to Swansea during our first game? You do not think that is easy to eradicate from his game?
If he consistently plays as he is playing now, I don't know about that.
Rooneys cross field ball from the left to Valencia on the right wing is becoming comical. Talk about clueless predictibility
Like I said, explain how to cut out small mistakes to the 3 above, who all notoriously give the ball away in each of our games. Smalling statistically last year gave the ball away more than any of our defenders.
Also, if he consistently plays it would be great for his development, but he won't. I fully expect him to be replaced as soon as Rojo arrives.
comment by RBW - The future is Orange (U2335)
posted 1 minute ago
Rooneys cross field ball from the left to Valencia on the right wing is becoming comical. Talk about clueless predictibility
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He's been doing the Hollywood passes for about 3 years. He has no ability to shift the ball anywhere else.
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posted on 30/8/14
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - a man of style and virtue. (U1301)
posted 5 seconds ago
needs to stop hoofing it
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He does it quite a lot mate, however you should see bar Mata how scared our players are in coming to receive the ball. Absolute joke for this level of football. Our centre mid fletcher is the biggest culprit.
posted on 30/8/14
I've been the most impressed with him, puts the likes of Evans and Smalling to shame who are older and supposedly more experienced. Jones was solid today as well, he's much better in the middle of the back three.
posted on 30/8/14
He's done alright but in the 2 games I've seen (Swansea and Burnley) the opponents have only played with 1 up top so 3 defenders is a bit overkill and they should offer more than just defending and in that respect he hasn't done much.
He' does seem to like a hoof too, although part of that problem in no midfielders dropping deep to receive the ball.
Still, not bad.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - a man of style and virtue. (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
needs to stop hoofing it
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Yea he loves the hollywood pass but so too Rooney and no one told him to stop.
More importantly though, i remember him pass directly into the foot of rooney and he just lost it after receiving minimal pressure. Resulted in a counter attack on his side of which he was caught out of position because he did what he was meant to do.
You can understand why he would prefer the ball be literally across the pitch. I thought he would actually get praise for a few of his cross-field hollywood passes. 2 or 3 times it found Valencia in space, only for him to cross right into the first man as he has been clearly instructed to do for the last 3 years
posted on 30/8/14
Don't think Blackett's hoofs are similar to a Scholes/Rooney pass though. Blackett seems to not really have the skill set to make long range passes to specific players and I would argue that he isn't even aiming for certain people when he does hoof it unlike Scholes or Rooney.
There was a stat at half time of the percentage of our long balls that went to our own players, think it was around 35% which shows it isn't a very good option.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - a man of style and virtue. (U1301)
posted 5 seconds ago
needs to stop hoofing it
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He does it quite a lot mate, however you should see bar Mata how scared our players are in coming to receive the ball. Absolute joke for this level of football. Our centre mid fletcher is the biggest culprit.
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Blackett looks for a pass more than Jones and Evans, at one point it was going between Evans/ jones and the Burnley midfield for about a minute back and forth, completely aimless hoofs.
At least when Blackett goes long he looks for somebody, and actually found Valencia with his cross field pass more often than not.
He got skinned once in the second half, other than that he was solid defensively.
Far better on the ball than Evans, who could have cost us another two goals through terrible passes again today, just like versus MK Dons. This is an experienced pro who was captain in midweek.
The defence will never be able to pass the ball out until the midfield offer themselves. Young, Valencia and Fletcher were found just watching, marked far too often.
Blackett, for me, looks decent and I think he has some good attributes to build on.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think Blackett's hoofs are similar to a Scholes/Rooney pass though. Blackett seems to not really have the skill set to make long range passes to specific players and I would argue that he isn't even aiming for certain people when he does hoof it unlike Scholes or Rooney.
There was a stat at half time of the percentage of our long balls that went to our own players, think it was around 35% which shows it isn't a very good option.
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Rooney only hoofs the ball to Valencia. Since he has become gash, those passes are looking more and more useless.
posted on 30/8/14
Yeah I'm not saying I like Rooney's love of a cross field ball to Valencia but unlike Blackett I think Rooney has a better idea of where he wants his long balls to go, not that they always work.
Nothing wrong with the odd long ball, it will always be a very useful thing to do but I do think we and Blackett in particular do it a bit more than I would prefer. But he's young and still learning, so it would be harsh to slag him off too much for doing it.
posted on 30/8/14
Rooney only hoofs the ball to Valencia. Since he has become gash, those passes are looking more and more useless.
Let's be careful with confusing a long pass with a hoof. We were poor today, but in the second half we got the ball in good positions out wide a number of times.
Unfortunately our wide man was Valencia. If we are honest we would have won today if that was Di Maria or a winger of quality in that position. Why Rafael didn't start is beyond me.
posted on 30/8/14
Is Rafael fit?
I'd be disappointed if LVG doesn't rate him, think he could operate the wingback role well (if he's fit).
posted on 30/8/14
I seriously don't see the point in articles like this anymore.
Praising our young defenders is brilliant, I wish we could all think like that but in the next 2-3 years, we'll want to get rid.
Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck etc were all brilliant at youngsters, each and every single one of them. They had articles to praise them, all on here believing they'd take on the mantle but when their development hasn't gone to world-class, we all celebrate the news of them leaving.
None of our youngsters have made it at Manchester United in a very, very long time and it's because at a club like ours, we don't seem to have time for these footballers to grow.
There is something wrong in our development process.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
Don't think Blackett's hoofs are similar to a Scholes/Rooney pass though. Blackett seems to not really have the skill set to make long range passes to specific players and I would argue that he isn't even aiming for certain people when he does hoof it unlike Scholes or Rooney.
There was a stat at half time of the percentage of our long balls that went to our own players, think it was around 35% which shows it isn't a very good option.
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He is good at it, or at least has an idea why he is doing it. Its not like he just bends his head and hits it, he actually looks and aims.
More importantly though, it is key for the WCD to have that pass in his arsenal and attempt it often. Yea its not hitting its mark, but it is better for me than passing backwards to De Gea and risking it short or passing out to our front three who seem incapable of holding up the ball at the sniff of pressure.
He needs to cut it out but other than Di Maria's passes today, the best pass I saw came from one of his cross field passes that would have made the commentator say "thats why Rooney is world class" in a shady accent. I prefer him perfect it than stop it all together.
posted on 30/8/14
He needs to cut it out but other than Di Maria's passes today, the best pass I saw came from one of his cross field passes that would have made the commentator say "thats why Rooney is world class" in a shady accent. I prefer him perfect it than stop it all together.
posted on 30/8/14
But our long pass success rate was terrible at half time and I would say Blackett probably contributed most of them. He may have made the odd good one but he definitely made more that went to opponents.
Like I said, nothing wrong with a long ball, would just prefer we did a lot less than I've seen so far this season.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 13 minutes ago
I seriously don't see the point in articles like this anymore.
Praising our young defenders is brilliant, I wish we could all think like that but in the next 2-3 years, we'll want to get rid.
Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck etc were all brilliant at youngsters, each and every single one of them. They had articles to praise them, all on here believing they'd take on the mantle but when their development hasn't gone to world-class, we all celebrate the news of them leaving.
None of our youngsters have made it at Manchester United in a very, very long time and it's because at a club like ours, we don't seem to have time for these footballers to grow.
There is something wrong in our development process.
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We want to get rid because we go and spend stupid money on individuals like Luke Shaw. Forced to play the lad because we went got taken to the cleaners as per usual.
posted on 30/8/14
1982
In a 3-5-2 that pass is essential to beat these pressing tactics we seem to be facing. Watch Juve and Hull you will see them a lot.
posted on 30/8/14
Op, we were saying this same sh!!!!t about welbeck and cleverley when they came through and look at them now.
If Blackett actually performed there would be more talk about him. Screw sentimentality, his been a figure in this shambolic defence.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by There's only One Matter: Long time reader, first time poster. (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
Op, we were saying this same sh!!!!t about welbeck and cleverley when they came through and look at them now.
If Blackett actually performed there would be more talk about him. Screw sentimentality, his been a figure in this shambolic defence.
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I never said cleverly will ever make it as a regularly into our starting eleven. Welbeck, yes. To be fair on welbeck we look more a team when he is up there with wazza and mata than we do with rap. He had one fine season playing with Rooney on top and we played some good football at times ( Arsenal 8-2 springs to mind).
Tyler Blackett rarely gets beat from what I've seen, he makes stupid mistakes such as giving the ball away too early which is easy to eradicate from his game.
posted on 30/8/14
Tyler Blackett rarely gets beat from what I've seen, he makes stupid mistakes such as giving the ball away too early which is easy to eradicate from his game.
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How is it easy? Could you explain that to Smalling, Jones and Evans etc...
Also, Evans was much better than Blackett at his age.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 24 seconds ago
Tyler Blackett rarely gets beat from what I've seen, he makes stupid mistakes such as giving the ball away too early which is easy to eradicate from his game.
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How is it easy? Could you explain that to Smalling, Jones and Evans etc...
Also, Evans was much better than Blackett at his age.
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When he passed the ball to Swansea during our first game? You do not think that is easy to eradicate from his game?
If he consistently plays as he is playing now, I don't know about that.
posted on 30/8/14
Rooneys cross field ball from the left to Valencia on the right wing is becoming comical. Talk about clueless predictibility
posted on 30/8/14
Like I said, explain how to cut out small mistakes to the 3 above, who all notoriously give the ball away in each of our games. Smalling statistically last year gave the ball away more than any of our defenders.
Also, if he consistently plays it would be great for his development, but he won't. I fully expect him to be replaced as soon as Rojo arrives.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by RBW - The future is Orange (U2335)
posted 1 minute ago
Rooneys cross field ball from the left to Valencia on the right wing is becoming comical. Talk about clueless predictibility
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He's been doing the Hollywood passes for about 3 years. He has no ability to shift the ball anywhere else.
posted on 30/8/14
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