So much tosh is said about Jack by rival fans. He is not yet back to his best, but he was our best midfielder in both legs vs Besiktas and was decent last night. It no longer bothers me because I am happy with his performances. Every player will always get stick esp from rival fans regardless of his performances, but that's football. We used to give Welbeck a lot of stick but now we think he is a good player.
Best Wilshere article I've seen in ages, bravo
The problem with people watching Wilshere these days (Arsenal and England fans alike) is that they're all watching him waiting for him to do something negative. Not taking aboard his whole performance, just waiting for him to do one little thing bad and then using that to say he's had a poor performance.
You've basically said everything I've wanted to say over the last few months except you're actually able to get your message across well, unlike me who can struggle with this at times.
Would also like to say that during this season so far, despite the goal, I think it's quite obvious that Wilshere has outperformed Ramsey. I still think it's a case of just a bit more patience and then seeing Wilshere shine once again.
5 article
Agree with every word of it. Jack's problem is he is too ambitious. He is always looking to dribble his way out of trouble and play balls over the top of the back 4 that won't always come off.
If he was a lot more safe in possession, playing simple passes and not trying to dribble past people, you'd have Henderson. Who everybody seems to love. That's the problem with English football.
Great article
Wilshere is basically the new Rooney when it comes to the media and fans
Everything he does right will be swept under the carpet if he has the misfortune to misplace one pass.
Players are not machines and cannot play well every single game and when certain players are not at their very best, then they are trash, attrocious etc. Rooney's had it for a decade. I just fear Wilshere is next which is sad because for me, he's easily the best young English midfielder we have. His driving runs are just brilliant to watch
The media need a target and now they have trashed Cleverley and basically destroyed the lads confidence, they have to have another target
That's why I never feel the need to trash Wazza. You just know the weight of expectation on his shoulders is waying heavily on him when he know that if he doesn't perform to his absolute best, he's gonna get smashed to pieces from all 4 quarters. Indeed, I have read it on this very thread.
If we want to see a back to form Rooney playing for England, which would be brilliant, we have just got to stop trashing the guy everytime he miscontrols a football because for me, it's his head that he is struggling with due to the amount of pressure constantly being put on him.
Wilshere are Rooney are both part of England's future. Let's stop putting pressure on them all the time and they might actually play more freely
Probably too much to ask
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 2 minutes ago
So much tosh is said about Jack by rival fans. He is not yet back to his best, but he was our best midfielder in both legs vs Besiktas and was decent last night. It no longer bothers me because I am happy with his performances. Every player will always get stick esp from rival fans regardless of his performances, but that's football. We used to give Welbeck a lot of stick but now we think he is a good player.
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Very true
And thanks, 2 Chambz I think that's a very good point: sometimes it feels like people have already decided he's going to play badly before a ball is kicked, and then look for anything to support this belief.
On people saying Wilshere is the most talented Englishman since Rooney I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
For me it has to be Sterling, he seems to have it all. When he first came onto the scene it did seem like he was gonna be just another pace merchant, but no that certainly isn't the case. He has the intelligence in his movement, immense ability on the ball through his close control, not to mention that he's already a pretty good finisher and he knows how to pick a pass.
I'm telling you right now, Sterling is a special special talent.
Thanks Bats That's very true. As you say, Wilshere is a bit profligate at times, but at least he is actually attempting to fashion chances.
Thanks Macca
As you may have read, I said I feel Rooney should be dropped. I always stress that he's a brilliant player, but I don't think the 2-man midfield best suits England, which means one of Rooney and Sturridge would likely have to be dropped to bring in an extra midfield, and at the moment, Sturridge is arguably one of the best strikers in Europe, so for me, it should be Rooney.
That being said, if Hodgson gets the diamond to work, there may be no need to drop one of them.
Sanchez, I think he has all the attributes, but sometimes it doesn't always work. Podolski, in theory, should be great in the lone striker role, but he's been a bit underwhelming when played there.
OP
I have read a few more of the comments on this thread and realise my comment will almost certainly fall on deaf ears
Feel free to delete it
comment by 2 Chambz (U6563)
posted 1 minute ago
On people saying Wilshere is the most talented Englishman since Rooney I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
For me it has to be Sterling, he seems to have it all. When he first came onto the scene it did seem like he was gonna be just another pace merchant, but no that certainly isn't the case. He has the intelligence in his movement, immense ability on the ball through his close control, not to mention that he's already a pretty good finisher and he knows how to pick a pass.
I'm telling you right now, Sterling is a special special talent.
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I agree. I agreed that Wilshere was one of the biggest talents for Arsenal, but I think Sterling is England's biggest talent right now. After that, I think Wilshere, Barkley, and Chamberlain are all pretty close.
I already consider Sterling to be one of the best players in the Premiership, and considering how young he is, it's scary to think how good he might become.
comment by Big Willy-Sanchez..Big name players don't... (U1100)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know its been laughed off before but i haven't heard the reasons why anyone thinks that Ox couldn't work as a striker ?
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Likes to drop deep and link up play. Wouldn't work. Even though it looks like he has the ingredients.
Macca, if you want me to delete it, I will, but I think it's a very good comment which contributes to this thread.
Rooney, like Wilshere, probably gets far too much stick. I sincerely hope the same doesn't happen to Sterling if he has a bad game or two for England.
Just to note that, in case you didn't see it, I did respond to your original comment, Macca.
Macca dont you think other countries put pressure on their players to perform? We're not the only country with a football obsessed media. Think how much pressure gets put on countries like Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Germany. The two south american countries I named get way more pressure to perform. Going into this world cup, there was no pressure at all. It was just an expectancy to atleast play half decent and play with pride but England failed to meet that low expectation. They couldnt even meet the low standards that have been put on the team since the last intl tournament. If all these England players are the type to get a little unnerved by media pressure then they need to man up. English players just have it all easy in my opinion. Then a bit of pressure like you say, comes their way and they crumble.
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 1 minute ago
Macca, if you want me to delete it, I will, but I think it's a very good comment which contributes to this thread.
Rooney, like Wilshere, probably gets far too much stick. I sincerely hope the same doesn't happen to Sterling if he has a bad game or two for England.
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Nah it's ok, leave it mate
Sterling will definitely get it at some stage if he loses form or when he starts struggling because he's getting treble marked (which Rooney was last night)
The media went after Gazza and Rooney because they were brilliant
I have no doubt Sterling will be next along with Wilshere too
As an England fan, I hope to God they don't let it affect them like it does Rooney
It's comments like this 'Rooney gets all the plaudits for scoring a penalty ' from earlier in the thread that really do my nut in
I just find it utterly juvenile to make such comments when national radio stations were running 'should Rooney be dropped for Switzerland' 5 minutes after the game
Rooney has, as usual when he has a less than brilliant game, been slaughtered from all angles, including some United fans
On people saying Wilshere is the most talented Englishman since Rooney I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
For me it has to be Sterling, he seems to have it all. When he first came onto the scene it did seem like he was gonna be just another pace merchant, but no that certainly isn't the case. He has the intelligence in his movement, immense ability on the ball through his close control, not to mention that he's already a pretty good finisher and he knows how to pick a pass.
I'm telling you right now, Sterling is a special special talent.
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i think its too early to say how good sterling is because the biggest problem is he DOESNT EVEN HAVE A SPECIFIC POSITION as yet.
I still think Wilshere is Englands biggest talent since Rooney just by looking at the raw materials. Yes Wilshere hasnt settled aswell but I still think its too early to say how good Sterling is.
One thing about Sterling which is rare for teenagers is he is basically a Fabregas mark II, Young player with unbelievable decision making and final ball. How great he will be will depend on the position he will play consistently and obviously adding goals to his game.
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 3 minutes ago
Macca dont you think other countries put pressure on their players to perform?
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Of course MrC - but I find that other countries don't try to destroy their best players when they don't have a good game. Lionel Messi for example was never the same player internationally for a while that he was for his club (I'm not saying he was poor by the way) Yet I haven't heard about their media spouting about the fact for years that he, like Rooney, hadn't scored a WC finals goal until this WC.
Rooney's off form, there's no doubt about it, but is there any real need for the outcry considering it was the first time captaining his country (as official captain) having a young team to captain too.
Cut him some slack maybe? It was a friendly
Ditto Wilshere
Great positive article. Dont worry about the lazy journalism and opinions on him, if he keeps consistently performing then they will eventually drop it. He's just got to get his head down, keep training hard, improving and performing. He should ignore what others are saying
I can respect that, Macca - it was similar comments about Wilshere that led me to write this.
Thanks Godfather! I agree - the same thing happened with 'no brain' Walcott. After a certain amount of goals, assists, and match winning performances, everyone stopped talking about it.
Blimey, a sensible article, followed by largly sensible comments...
this has no business on the forum. We'll have none of this here....
I've made a point a few times that it isn't the ability of Jack that made people think he was special, but his style of football.
It's rare to see an Englishman who likes to turn to face the goal and take the ball into the space. At times he glides past players and it's lovely to see.
I watched him closely versus Besiktas and he did 90% of everything he did brilliantly, then he had to make a decision, a shot or a pass, and he messed up every time.
Thanks Lucas
I can appreciate what you're saying, but I have to disagree; he created a number of good openings against Besiktas.
Thanks Godfather! I agree - the same thing happened with 'no brain' Walcott. After a certain amount of goals, assists, and match winning performances, everyone stopped talking about it.
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Its funny how we have all forgotten about that! Even spurs fans would swear Lennon was a better player just because everybody recycled the no football brain thing.
Didnt Hansen apologise aboput that before he left the BBC!
Personally I dont think walcott is an amazing out of the world player! One thing for sure is for most players playing at high speed he has far much better control and final delivery than soo many players.He has eventually matured into a good player.
Its the same thing when i watch Robben and Di Maria.Most frustrating footballers who were invredibly selfish and spend most of their time diving.Now both are UNBELIEVABLE players.I have to blink each time I watch Di maria now. I wrote him of as a player.
A lot of our players come in for a lot of stick but people forget how young our players are.
even if ozil has another rubbish year, he is 25! people conventiently forget how young he is.I am amazed when liverpool fans laugh at Ozil.
lallana is 26 years old!!!!!
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posted on 4/9/14
So much tosh is said about Jack by rival fans. He is not yet back to his best, but he was our best midfielder in both legs vs Besiktas and was decent last night. It no longer bothers me because I am happy with his performances. Every player will always get stick esp from rival fans regardless of his performances, but that's football. We used to give Welbeck a lot of stick but now we think he is a good player.
posted on 4/9/14
Best Wilshere article I've seen in ages, bravo
The problem with people watching Wilshere these days (Arsenal and England fans alike) is that they're all watching him waiting for him to do something negative. Not taking aboard his whole performance, just waiting for him to do one little thing bad and then using that to say he's had a poor performance.
You've basically said everything I've wanted to say over the last few months except you're actually able to get your message across well, unlike me who can struggle with this at times.
Would also like to say that during this season so far, despite the goal, I think it's quite obvious that Wilshere has outperformed Ramsey. I still think it's a case of just a bit more patience and then seeing Wilshere shine once again.
posted on 4/9/14
5 article
Agree with every word of it. Jack's problem is he is too ambitious. He is always looking to dribble his way out of trouble and play balls over the top of the back 4 that won't always come off.
If he was a lot more safe in possession, playing simple passes and not trying to dribble past people, you'd have Henderson. Who everybody seems to love. That's the problem with English football.
posted on 4/9/14
Great article
Wilshere is basically the new Rooney when it comes to the media and fans
Everything he does right will be swept under the carpet if he has the misfortune to misplace one pass.
Players are not machines and cannot play well every single game and when certain players are not at their very best, then they are trash, attrocious etc. Rooney's had it for a decade. I just fear Wilshere is next which is sad because for me, he's easily the best young English midfielder we have. His driving runs are just brilliant to watch
The media need a target and now they have trashed Cleverley and basically destroyed the lads confidence, they have to have another target
That's why I never feel the need to trash Wazza. You just know the weight of expectation on his shoulders is waying heavily on him when he know that if he doesn't perform to his absolute best, he's gonna get smashed to pieces from all 4 quarters. Indeed, I have read it on this very thread.
If we want to see a back to form Rooney playing for England, which would be brilliant, we have just got to stop trashing the guy everytime he miscontrols a football because for me, it's his head that he is struggling with due to the amount of pressure constantly being put on him.
Wilshere are Rooney are both part of England's future. Let's stop putting pressure on them all the time and they might actually play more freely
Probably too much to ask
posted on 4/9/14
posted on 4/9/14
5 stars by the way OP
posted on 4/9/14
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 2 minutes ago
So much tosh is said about Jack by rival fans. He is not yet back to his best, but he was our best midfielder in both legs vs Besiktas and was decent last night. It no longer bothers me because I am happy with his performances. Every player will always get stick esp from rival fans regardless of his performances, but that's football. We used to give Welbeck a lot of stick but now we think he is a good player.
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Very true
And thanks, 2 Chambz I think that's a very good point: sometimes it feels like people have already decided he's going to play badly before a ball is kicked, and then look for anything to support this belief.
posted on 4/9/14
On people saying Wilshere is the most talented Englishman since Rooney I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
For me it has to be Sterling, he seems to have it all. When he first came onto the scene it did seem like he was gonna be just another pace merchant, but no that certainly isn't the case. He has the intelligence in his movement, immense ability on the ball through his close control, not to mention that he's already a pretty good finisher and he knows how to pick a pass.
I'm telling you right now, Sterling is a special special talent.
posted on 4/9/14
Thanks Bats That's very true. As you say, Wilshere is a bit profligate at times, but at least he is actually attempting to fashion chances.
Thanks Macca
As you may have read, I said I feel Rooney should be dropped. I always stress that he's a brilliant player, but I don't think the 2-man midfield best suits England, which means one of Rooney and Sturridge would likely have to be dropped to bring in an extra midfield, and at the moment, Sturridge is arguably one of the best strikers in Europe, so for me, it should be Rooney.
That being said, if Hodgson gets the diamond to work, there may be no need to drop one of them.
Sanchez, I think he has all the attributes, but sometimes it doesn't always work. Podolski, in theory, should be great in the lone striker role, but he's been a bit underwhelming when played there.
posted on 4/9/14
OP
I have read a few more of the comments on this thread and realise my comment will almost certainly fall on deaf ears
Feel free to delete it
posted on 4/9/14
comment by 2 Chambz (U6563)
posted 1 minute ago
On people saying Wilshere is the most talented Englishman since Rooney I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
For me it has to be Sterling, he seems to have it all. When he first came onto the scene it did seem like he was gonna be just another pace merchant, but no that certainly isn't the case. He has the intelligence in his movement, immense ability on the ball through his close control, not to mention that he's already a pretty good finisher and he knows how to pick a pass.
I'm telling you right now, Sterling is a special special talent.
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I agree. I agreed that Wilshere was one of the biggest talents for Arsenal, but I think Sterling is England's biggest talent right now. After that, I think Wilshere, Barkley, and Chamberlain are all pretty close.
I already consider Sterling to be one of the best players in the Premiership, and considering how young he is, it's scary to think how good he might become.
posted on 4/9/14
comment by Big Willy-Sanchez..Big name players don't... (U1100)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know its been laughed off before but i haven't heard the reasons why anyone thinks that Ox couldn't work as a striker ?
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Likes to drop deep and link up play. Wouldn't work. Even though it looks like he has the ingredients.
posted on 4/9/14
Macca, if you want me to delete it, I will, but I think it's a very good comment which contributes to this thread.
Rooney, like Wilshere, probably gets far too much stick. I sincerely hope the same doesn't happen to Sterling if he has a bad game or two for England.
posted on 4/9/14
Just to note that, in case you didn't see it, I did respond to your original comment, Macca.
posted on 4/9/14
Macca dont you think other countries put pressure on their players to perform? We're not the only country with a football obsessed media. Think how much pressure gets put on countries like Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Germany. The two south american countries I named get way more pressure to perform. Going into this world cup, there was no pressure at all. It was just an expectancy to atleast play half decent and play with pride but England failed to meet that low expectation. They couldnt even meet the low standards that have been put on the team since the last intl tournament. If all these England players are the type to get a little unnerved by media pressure then they need to man up. English players just have it all easy in my opinion. Then a bit of pressure like you say, comes their way and they crumble.
posted on 4/9/14
posted on 4/9/14
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 1 minute ago
Macca, if you want me to delete it, I will, but I think it's a very good comment which contributes to this thread.
Rooney, like Wilshere, probably gets far too much stick. I sincerely hope the same doesn't happen to Sterling if he has a bad game or two for England.
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Nah it's ok, leave it mate
Sterling will definitely get it at some stage if he loses form or when he starts struggling because he's getting treble marked (which Rooney was last night)
The media went after Gazza and Rooney because they were brilliant
I have no doubt Sterling will be next along with Wilshere too
As an England fan, I hope to God they don't let it affect them like it does Rooney
It's comments like this 'Rooney gets all the plaudits for scoring a penalty ' from earlier in the thread that really do my nut in
I just find it utterly juvenile to make such comments when national radio stations were running 'should Rooney be dropped for Switzerland' 5 minutes after the game
Rooney has, as usual when he has a less than brilliant game, been slaughtered from all angles, including some United fans
posted on 4/9/14
On people saying Wilshere is the most talented Englishman since Rooney I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
For me it has to be Sterling, he seems to have it all. When he first came onto the scene it did seem like he was gonna be just another pace merchant, but no that certainly isn't the case. He has the intelligence in his movement, immense ability on the ball through his close control, not to mention that he's already a pretty good finisher and he knows how to pick a pass.
I'm telling you right now, Sterling is a special special talent.
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i think its too early to say how good sterling is because the biggest problem is he DOESNT EVEN HAVE A SPECIFIC POSITION as yet.
I still think Wilshere is Englands biggest talent since Rooney just by looking at the raw materials. Yes Wilshere hasnt settled aswell but I still think its too early to say how good Sterling is.
One thing about Sterling which is rare for teenagers is he is basically a Fabregas mark II, Young player with unbelievable decision making and final ball. How great he will be will depend on the position he will play consistently and obviously adding goals to his game.
posted on 4/9/14
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 3 minutes ago
Macca dont you think other countries put pressure on their players to perform?
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Of course MrC - but I find that other countries don't try to destroy their best players when they don't have a good game. Lionel Messi for example was never the same player internationally for a while that he was for his club (I'm not saying he was poor by the way) Yet I haven't heard about their media spouting about the fact for years that he, like Rooney, hadn't scored a WC finals goal until this WC.
Rooney's off form, there's no doubt about it, but is there any real need for the outcry considering it was the first time captaining his country (as official captain) having a young team to captain too.
Cut him some slack maybe? It was a friendly
Ditto Wilshere
posted on 4/9/14
Great positive article. Dont worry about the lazy journalism and opinions on him, if he keeps consistently performing then they will eventually drop it. He's just got to get his head down, keep training hard, improving and performing. He should ignore what others are saying
posted on 4/9/14
I can respect that, Macca - it was similar comments about Wilshere that led me to write this.
Thanks Godfather! I agree - the same thing happened with 'no brain' Walcott. After a certain amount of goals, assists, and match winning performances, everyone stopped talking about it.
posted on 4/9/14
Blimey, a sensible article, followed by largly sensible comments...
this has no business on the forum. We'll have none of this here....
posted on 4/9/14
I've made a point a few times that it isn't the ability of Jack that made people think he was special, but his style of football.
It's rare to see an Englishman who likes to turn to face the goal and take the ball into the space. At times he glides past players and it's lovely to see.
I watched him closely versus Besiktas and he did 90% of everything he did brilliantly, then he had to make a decision, a shot or a pass, and he messed up every time.
posted on 4/9/14
Thanks Lucas
I can appreciate what you're saying, but I have to disagree; he created a number of good openings against Besiktas.
posted on 4/9/14
Thanks Godfather! I agree - the same thing happened with 'no brain' Walcott. After a certain amount of goals, assists, and match winning performances, everyone stopped talking about it.
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Its funny how we have all forgotten about that! Even spurs fans would swear Lennon was a better player just because everybody recycled the no football brain thing.
Didnt Hansen apologise aboput that before he left the BBC!
Personally I dont think walcott is an amazing out of the world player! One thing for sure is for most players playing at high speed he has far much better control and final delivery than soo many players.He has eventually matured into a good player.
Its the same thing when i watch Robben and Di Maria.Most frustrating footballers who were invredibly selfish and spend most of their time diving.Now both are UNBELIEVABLE players.I have to blink each time I watch Di maria now. I wrote him of as a player.
A lot of our players come in for a lot of stick but people forget how young our players are.
even if ozil has another rubbish year, he is 25! people conventiently forget how young he is.I am amazed when liverpool fans laugh at Ozil.
lallana is 26 years old!!!!!
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