I'm against it.
Retroactive punishment is the only short-term fix for diving, and even that would be very difficult to implement.
In the longer term, players need to be taught from an early age that diving is cheating and therefore against the spirit of the game.
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sin bin doesn't make any sense in football. retro active suspentions for dives with no contact could start to deter the blatant diving
You never see it anywhere else
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it happens everywhere.
only difference is that in sunday league, the diver is often kicked the living sugar out of the very next chance the team get, and often relentlessly throughout the rest of the game
Sin bin is a difficult one. There's some good arguments for and against it. But I'm just not sure how it would really work in practice because as has been stated it gives refs even more things to think about, and by think about, I mean get wrong.
It'd be an odd one to apply it just to diving.
I've always felt that a player getting two very soft yellow cards leading to a red could be better if the secon yellow is a soft one that a sin bin would be a good alternative to losing a player indefinitely.
Take Ramsey's red against Besiktas. Red card by the letter of the law but a sin bin would have sufficed and he wouldn't then be banned for his next game either.
I doubt it'll happen anyway because it would just over complicate things for the refs.
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comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 59 seconds ago
Diving only occurs in professional football.
You never see it anywhere else
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never watch ice hockey, do you.
The rules do change and are indeed modified over time. Goal line tech for example. A perfect way to determine a yes or no scenario
Adding a sin bin and extra officials to review judgement calls only adds an extra layer of uncertainty. Having a player taken off the field of play for a review and interpretation of the rules has too many downsides. As DJ pointed out, wed be likely to see refs sending people to the sin bin as opposed to actually making decisions themselves. Wed see a stream of players coming and going while the game continues without them. The flow of the game would be a mess and refs would not look to apply the rules, rather defer to someone else to avoid making an error.
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 19 minutes ago
The rules do change and are indeed modified over time. Goal line tech for example. A perfect way to determine a yes or no scenario
Adding a sin bin and extra officials to review judgement calls only adds an extra layer of uncertainty. Having a player taken off the field of play for a review and interpretation of the rules has too many downsides. As DJ pointed out, wed be likely to see refs sending people to the sin bin as opposed to actually making decisions themselves. Wed see a stream of players coming and going while the game continues without them. The flow of the game would be a mess and refs would not look to apply the rules, rather defer to someone else to avoid making an error.
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When it was first mentioned most people were against it, saying the same rubbish ie ''it'l slow down the game'', has it one bit? Absolutely not, why would a sin bin slow down the game or alter the flow of the game? If anything it'll result in more fast paced games because there will be less teams down to 10 men for the rest of the game just sitting back defending for their lives..
An extra level of uncertainty belmonty?
I prefer that to 'definite refereeing error that has massively decided the outcome of the game'.
A sin bin merely reduces that.
Also people seem to think that with a sin bin everyone will be running off and off the pitch with the game constantly being paused, how do you know that?
The way I see it there may only be one sin bin a game, or none at all, it could be as frequent as you see a red card, not to mention we may not have to pause the game to get sin binned players on to the pitch..
The current system is massively flawed and it is becoming more and more flawed as time goes by and the game progresses, goal line technology has been a GOOD thing and has not affected the game negatively at all
Will there be priests taking confessions ?
those who say it wouldn't be a level playing field are imo missing the point here. Surely the point of al this is to limit the amount of diving/cheating by players. If they are conscious of the fact of what consequences their actions will incur then the likelihood is there will nearly always be 11 v 11 on the park.
"Diving only occurs in professional football.
You never see it anywhere else"
Except for Diving, of course.
But it's funny, the question asked, is when Simulation really took hold of our beautiful game.
Most would say, when the "Foreigners" came,
Your Klinsmans, and....er... Klinsman... So as the years have gone on, and it has got worse, it's becoming a 'Thing' now, to say "Foreigners" brought it in.
A no-no apparently.
Cue Mark Bright on sky the other day, and naming his ultimate XI he's played with.
Dan pertrescu... "You know whats funny, when we met, he started teaching me how to Dive!"
This is in 93 I'm guessing.... But hey, it's a no-no,
Something needs to be done to sort out those "cynical fouls" where a player takes one for the team. These are obvious fouls and we see too many of them spoiling the most entertaining aspect of the game, the counter attack. And the actual opportunity of a scoring move.
Perhaps the usual yellow compounded with time in the bin would make players think twice.
I mainly agree with the "no " comments above , but it might be a good thing at times when the referee is beyond any doubt about the foul as in the above given situation.
comment by 50-Danny is Welblack (U1147)
posted 15 hours, 1 minute ago
It works in rugby just fine why not football. Won't cause controversy as much. For an yellow card a sin bin would be viable. Encourages more free flowing football
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in a totally different sport which uses 15 players a side?
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
Something needs to be done to sort out those "cynical fouls" where a player takes one for the team. These are obvious fouls and we see too many of them spoiling the most entertaining aspect of the game, the counter attack. And the actual opportunity of a scoring move.
Perhaps the usual yellow compounded with time in the bin would make players think twice.
I mainly agree with the "no " comments above , but it might be a good thing at times when the referee is beyond any doubt about the foul as in the above given situation.
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why? something is done, they receive a yellow card 95 % of the time, which puts them in danger of a 2nd yellow.
Why get rid of it, for me those fouls are a good part of the game, its adds to the tactical side of it too. I love it when a team score a goal and they highlight a player and question why he didn't take a yellow for the team earlier on in the move.
All this b0ll0x it will help the flow of the game, will it balls, have they even watched rugby? I expect you will have to wait for the sin binned player to leave the field too like a sub/red. How will it help with the flow exactly, also they will probably have to wait to be allowed back on too.
No.
It wouldnt work at all. Simulation should be charged, in my opinion, after a game with points. When a player reaches so many points they receive a suspension.
During a game football should follow rugbys lead by allowing the physio treat an injured player while the game continues. That would remove this feigning of injury lark almost overnight.
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posted on 6/9/14
I'm against it.
Retroactive punishment is the only short-term fix for diving, and even that would be very difficult to implement.
In the longer term, players need to be taught from an early age that diving is cheating and therefore against the spirit of the game.
posted on 6/9/14
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posted on 6/9/14
sin bin doesn't make any sense in football. retro active suspentions for dives with no contact could start to deter the blatant diving
posted on 6/9/14
You never see it anywhere else
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it happens everywhere.
only difference is that in sunday league, the diver is often kicked the living sugar out of the very next chance the team get, and often relentlessly throughout the rest of the game
posted on 6/9/14
Sin bin is a difficult one. There's some good arguments for and against it. But I'm just not sure how it would really work in practice because as has been stated it gives refs even more things to think about, and by think about, I mean get wrong.
It'd be an odd one to apply it just to diving.
I've always felt that a player getting two very soft yellow cards leading to a red could be better if the secon yellow is a soft one that a sin bin would be a good alternative to losing a player indefinitely.
Take Ramsey's red against Besiktas. Red card by the letter of the law but a sin bin would have sufficed and he wouldn't then be banned for his next game either.
I doubt it'll happen anyway because it would just over complicate things for the refs.
A
posted on 6/9/14
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 59 seconds ago
Diving only occurs in professional football.
You never see it anywhere else
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never watch ice hockey, do you.
posted on 6/9/14
The rules do change and are indeed modified over time. Goal line tech for example. A perfect way to determine a yes or no scenario
Adding a sin bin and extra officials to review judgement calls only adds an extra layer of uncertainty. Having a player taken off the field of play for a review and interpretation of the rules has too many downsides. As DJ pointed out, wed be likely to see refs sending people to the sin bin as opposed to actually making decisions themselves. Wed see a stream of players coming and going while the game continues without them. The flow of the game would be a mess and refs would not look to apply the rules, rather defer to someone else to avoid making an error.
posted on 6/9/14
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 19 minutes ago
The rules do change and are indeed modified over time. Goal line tech for example. A perfect way to determine a yes or no scenario
Adding a sin bin and extra officials to review judgement calls only adds an extra layer of uncertainty. Having a player taken off the field of play for a review and interpretation of the rules has too many downsides. As DJ pointed out, wed be likely to see refs sending people to the sin bin as opposed to actually making decisions themselves. Wed see a stream of players coming and going while the game continues without them. The flow of the game would be a mess and refs would not look to apply the rules, rather defer to someone else to avoid making an error.
-------
When it was first mentioned most people were against it, saying the same rubbish ie ''it'l slow down the game'', has it one bit? Absolutely not, why would a sin bin slow down the game or alter the flow of the game? If anything it'll result in more fast paced games because there will be less teams down to 10 men for the rest of the game just sitting back defending for their lives..
An extra level of uncertainty belmonty?
I prefer that to 'definite refereeing error that has massively decided the outcome of the game'.
A sin bin merely reduces that.
Also people seem to think that with a sin bin everyone will be running off and off the pitch with the game constantly being paused, how do you know that?
The way I see it there may only be one sin bin a game, or none at all, it could be as frequent as you see a red card, not to mention we may not have to pause the game to get sin binned players on to the pitch..
The current system is massively flawed and it is becoming more and more flawed as time goes by and the game progresses, goal line technology has been a GOOD thing and has not affected the game negatively at all
posted on 6/9/14
Will there be priests taking confessions ?
posted on 6/9/14
those who say it wouldn't be a level playing field are imo missing the point here. Surely the point of al this is to limit the amount of diving/cheating by players. If they are conscious of the fact of what consequences their actions will incur then the likelihood is there will nearly always be 11 v 11 on the park.
posted on 6/9/14
"Diving only occurs in professional football.
You never see it anywhere else"
Except for Diving, of course.
But it's funny, the question asked, is when Simulation really took hold of our beautiful game.
Most would say, when the "Foreigners" came,
Your Klinsmans, and....er... Klinsman... So as the years have gone on, and it has got worse, it's becoming a 'Thing' now, to say "Foreigners" brought it in.
A no-no apparently.
Cue Mark Bright on sky the other day, and naming his ultimate XI he's played with.
Dan pertrescu... "You know whats funny, when we met, he started teaching me how to Dive!"
This is in 93 I'm guessing.... But hey, it's a no-no,
posted on 6/9/14
Something needs to be done to sort out those "cynical fouls" where a player takes one for the team. These are obvious fouls and we see too many of them spoiling the most entertaining aspect of the game, the counter attack. And the actual opportunity of a scoring move.
Perhaps the usual yellow compounded with time in the bin would make players think twice.
I mainly agree with the "no " comments above , but it might be a good thing at times when the referee is beyond any doubt about the foul as in the above given situation.
posted on 7/9/14
comment by 50-Danny is Welblack (U1147)
posted 15 hours, 1 minute ago
It works in rugby just fine why not football. Won't cause controversy as much. For an yellow card a sin bin would be viable. Encourages more free flowing football
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in a totally different sport which uses 15 players a side?
posted on 7/9/14
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
Something needs to be done to sort out those "cynical fouls" where a player takes one for the team. These are obvious fouls and we see too many of them spoiling the most entertaining aspect of the game, the counter attack. And the actual opportunity of a scoring move.
Perhaps the usual yellow compounded with time in the bin would make players think twice.
I mainly agree with the "no " comments above , but it might be a good thing at times when the referee is beyond any doubt about the foul as in the above given situation.
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why? something is done, they receive a yellow card 95 % of the time, which puts them in danger of a 2nd yellow.
Why get rid of it, for me those fouls are a good part of the game, its adds to the tactical side of it too. I love it when a team score a goal and they highlight a player and question why he didn't take a yellow for the team earlier on in the move.
posted on 7/9/14
All this b0ll0x it will help the flow of the game, will it balls, have they even watched rugby? I expect you will have to wait for the sin binned player to leave the field too like a sub/red. How will it help with the flow exactly, also they will probably have to wait to be allowed back on too.
posted on 8/9/14
No.
It wouldnt work at all. Simulation should be charged, in my opinion, after a game with points. When a player reaches so many points they receive a suspension.
During a game football should follow rugbys lead by allowing the physio treat an injured player while the game continues. That would remove this feigning of injury lark almost overnight.
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