comment by ||The Great AFL©||™ (U11952)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Standard English reaction to be honest. When something goes wrong, blame foreigners.
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Exactly. No point spending more money on coaching kids properly - because that would actually be hard work. No, let's just blame those dirty foreigners for coming over and taking our places in the team (merely because they're better than us).
I blame Wenger because he was the firsts after to completely change an English team into foreign and then I blame the fact that English players are so expensive meaning clubs have to look for cheap foreign imports.
I actually hate the PL and what is has done for English football. Sure it's provided us with the best players in the world gracing our stadiums but personally I don't care. I'm not one of these guys that gets all excited to "famous" players, I really couldn't care less. I want to watch Leicester City football club and I'm not interested who is playing against us.
I'd like to see six British players in the starting eleven and then let clubs sign whoever they want, EU or non-EU. Not sure why the big deal about non-EU when most of the players that have ruined English football are actually from the EU so they're barking up the wrong tree I reckon.
^ I blame Wenger because he was the first to actually....
Ah yes, ignore the inept coaches, its Johnny Foreigner again.
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^ this.
Stop the non eu players and the eu players will increase.
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^ and this.
Until yo fix the nderlying problem (crap coaches and academies) this will make no difference.
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Yep.
I blame Wenger because he was the firsts after to completely change an English team into foreign
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Didn't know Wenger managed Chelsea. Learn something new everyday.
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If people want to blame someone or something for the influx of foreigners then blame the increase in cash swirling around the game.
Even if England had 11 world class players, that is not enough to share around 6-7 rich English clubs all aspiring to win trophies and sell shirts. Foreign imports are inevitable. The bar has been raised in the PL and coaching standards have not improved quickly enough to keep up (if at all).
Blame doesn't help anyone, we need to start looking at solutions.. this is just one the FA have suggested.
Also, has the bar really been raised? Seems to me we've got a league full of celebrities and rubbish teams. Maybe Mourinho can pull off something special in Europe, but the overwhelming opinion on the Arsenal board last night was that their players are better than Dortmund's.. I don't necessarily agree but standards aren't improving as far as I can see, we're doing it wrong.
D'jeezus - Arsenal went from George Graham's team full of England players to Wenger's team full of foreigners, you work it out!
As for Chelsea, I seem to remember them having Terry, A and J Cole and Lampard, all in the England team so try again!!
I am VERY for this.
I find it disgusting that footballers from poor South American and African countries seek to play in this country at the expense of EU and British players who aren't as talented as they are.
How dare they seek to make a better life for themselves and their families, when they should already know that EU citizens are simply superior to them as people x
^ agreed 👍
As I said, there's no difference between EU and non-EU, we need to restrict all foreigners not discriminate against players from other parts of the world, just screams discrimination!!
comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 22 minutes ago
^ agreed 👍
As I said, there's no difference between EU and non-EU, we need to restrict all foreigners not discriminate against players from other parts of the world, just screams discrimination!!
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Why should we need to restrict all foreigners? The spaniards, italians, the french, germans do not do it but still manage to win tournaments.
Again I ask when the restriction on foreign players was in force, how many world cups and euros did we win?
I think some are missing the point of this idea. The idea is not to prevent the Di Marias, Suarez, Toures and Sanchez of this world coming and plying their trade in England. As has been mentioned the top sides aim to compete with the very best in the world and in a global game need the best players. No nation has an entire squad of players that all play at the very very top of the game so every countries top sides need to import from others.
The aim is to create more opportunities for English players to remain at the top sides, with the best coaches, facilities, support and exposure. This would, in theory, improve the prospects of the talent fulfilling their potential. Personally I dont think its a bad move. It also reduces the ability of Chelsea and City to sweep up every available player just so other sides cannot sign them. And on a similar point it would not be a bad idea to scrap these dodgy multiple club associations that some sides (Chelsea/City again) seem to have that are essentially used to almost 'launder' players by passing their fees and salaries on to another side to bypass FFP
Disgraceful... No balls to stop average players coming from EU, they are after non-EU players.
Can someone please explain to me what we won when there were restrictions on foreign players?
Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc do not have these restrictions but still win things.
It is amazing people cannot see what the issue is, nothing to do with foreign players it is our grassroots and coaching.
comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone please explain to me what we won when there were restrictions on foreign players?
Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc do not have these restrictions but still win things.
It is amazing people cannot see what the issue is, nothing to do with foreign players it is our grassroots and coaching.
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Nothing, but then we didn't need restrictions as there wasn't so many foreign players here.
Germany, Spain etc do have restrictions, especially on youth teams, and have a much higher homegrown percentage in the league than the PL.
Of course we need to improve coaching but it's clear there isn't just one issue affecting the national team. By using Germany as an example you inadvertently made a good point - we should follow their example, and not be afraid of change.
What restrictions do Germany and Spain have? Do you know what Germany did? They sorted out their grassroots football. Stopped allowing the press to pick the team, got a quality manager and a good group of youngsters and developed them through to the national team.
Good coaching again. Same with Spain and France. Do some research into how many coaches in the UK have their badges compared with these countries and the type of football they play which is focused on technical ability not size and playing his heart out.
There were restrictions, we won nothing. Now no restrictions, we have won nothing.
The problem is coaching. Of course ban the foreign imports, we still will won nothing until we sort out our coaching
So building grassroots football like Germany, France, Holland and Belgium is not the answer.
What restrictions do Germany and Spain have?
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Do your research
I've already agreed we need to improve coaching, that's obvious to be fair. Germany and Spain also have B teams in lower leagues.. coaching is good but you can't beat experience.
Why the hell don't we just actually promote British coaches to make British players come through at the same level as their European counterparts.
So ridiculous.
It's like a country restricting imports on a good because theirs are crap compared to those abroad rather than just improving their good!
comment by Bãles (U3582)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
What restrictions do Germany and Spain have?
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Do your research
I've already agreed we need to improve coaching, that's obvious to be fair. Germany and Spain also have B teams in lower leagues.. coaching is good but you can't beat experience.
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I've the experience, ive been playing competitively for 20 odd years, i'm still sheeite tho..... it's a coaching thing...
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comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 35 minutes ago
Why the hell don't we just actually promote British coaches to make British players come through at the same level as their European counterparts.
So ridiculous.
It's like a country restricting imports on a good because theirs are crap compared to those abroad rather than just improving their good!
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You can't make do with just one or two goods to trade though. The markets vary - you need decent quality goods in every sector, so the consumer has a choice to best suit their needs.
Of course you should always be looking to improve your produce, and keep your borders open to the best quality imports. Sub standard imports with no testing or restrictions simply floods the market with cheap crap. No-one wants that.
How are you going to block the so called substandard products Bales?
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posted on 17/9/14
comment by ||The Great AFL©||™ (U11952)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Standard English reaction to be honest. When something goes wrong, blame foreigners.
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Exactly. No point spending more money on coaching kids properly - because that would actually be hard work. No, let's just blame those dirty foreigners for coming over and taking our places in the team (merely because they're better than us).
posted on 17/9/14
I blame Wenger because he was the firsts after to completely change an English team into foreign and then I blame the fact that English players are so expensive meaning clubs have to look for cheap foreign imports.
I actually hate the PL and what is has done for English football. Sure it's provided us with the best players in the world gracing our stadiums but personally I don't care. I'm not one of these guys that gets all excited to "famous" players, I really couldn't care less. I want to watch Leicester City football club and I'm not interested who is playing against us.
I'd like to see six British players in the starting eleven and then let clubs sign whoever they want, EU or non-EU. Not sure why the big deal about non-EU when most of the players that have ruined English football are actually from the EU so they're barking up the wrong tree I reckon.
posted on 17/9/14
^ I blame Wenger because he was the first to actually....
posted on 17/9/14
Ah yes, ignore the inept coaches, its Johnny Foreigner again.
____________________
^ this.
Stop the non eu players and the eu players will increase.
____________________
^ and this.
Until yo fix the nderlying problem (crap coaches and academies) this will make no difference.
_________________
Yep.
posted on 17/9/14
I blame Wenger because he was the firsts after to completely change an English team into foreign
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Didn't know Wenger managed Chelsea. Learn something new everyday.
posted on 17/9/14
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posted on 17/9/14
If people want to blame someone or something for the influx of foreigners then blame the increase in cash swirling around the game.
Even if England had 11 world class players, that is not enough to share around 6-7 rich English clubs all aspiring to win trophies and sell shirts. Foreign imports are inevitable. The bar has been raised in the PL and coaching standards have not improved quickly enough to keep up (if at all).
posted on 17/9/14
Blame doesn't help anyone, we need to start looking at solutions.. this is just one the FA have suggested.
Also, has the bar really been raised? Seems to me we've got a league full of celebrities and rubbish teams. Maybe Mourinho can pull off something special in Europe, but the overwhelming opinion on the Arsenal board last night was that their players are better than Dortmund's.. I don't necessarily agree but standards aren't improving as far as I can see, we're doing it wrong.
posted on 18/9/14
D'jeezus - Arsenal went from George Graham's team full of England players to Wenger's team full of foreigners, you work it out!
As for Chelsea, I seem to remember them having Terry, A and J Cole and Lampard, all in the England team so try again!!
posted on 18/9/14
I am VERY for this.
I find it disgusting that footballers from poor South American and African countries seek to play in this country at the expense of EU and British players who aren't as talented as they are.
How dare they seek to make a better life for themselves and their families, when they should already know that EU citizens are simply superior to them as people x
posted on 18/9/14
^ agreed 👍
As I said, there's no difference between EU and non-EU, we need to restrict all foreigners not discriminate against players from other parts of the world, just screams discrimination!!
posted on 18/9/14
comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 22 minutes ago
^ agreed 👍
As I said, there's no difference between EU and non-EU, we need to restrict all foreigners not discriminate against players from other parts of the world, just screams discrimination!!
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Why should we need to restrict all foreigners? The spaniards, italians, the french, germans do not do it but still manage to win tournaments.
Again I ask when the restriction on foreign players was in force, how many world cups and euros did we win?
posted on 18/9/14
I think some are missing the point of this idea. The idea is not to prevent the Di Marias, Suarez, Toures and Sanchez of this world coming and plying their trade in England. As has been mentioned the top sides aim to compete with the very best in the world and in a global game need the best players. No nation has an entire squad of players that all play at the very very top of the game so every countries top sides need to import from others.
The aim is to create more opportunities for English players to remain at the top sides, with the best coaches, facilities, support and exposure. This would, in theory, improve the prospects of the talent fulfilling their potential. Personally I dont think its a bad move. It also reduces the ability of Chelsea and City to sweep up every available player just so other sides cannot sign them. And on a similar point it would not be a bad idea to scrap these dodgy multiple club associations that some sides (Chelsea/City again) seem to have that are essentially used to almost 'launder' players by passing their fees and salaries on to another side to bypass FFP
posted on 18/9/14
Disgraceful... No balls to stop average players coming from EU, they are after non-EU players.
posted on 18/9/14
Can someone please explain to me what we won when there were restrictions on foreign players?
Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc do not have these restrictions but still win things.
It is amazing people cannot see what the issue is, nothing to do with foreign players it is our grassroots and coaching.
posted on 18/9/14
comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone please explain to me what we won when there were restrictions on foreign players?
Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc do not have these restrictions but still win things.
It is amazing people cannot see what the issue is, nothing to do with foreign players it is our grassroots and coaching.
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Nothing, but then we didn't need restrictions as there wasn't so many foreign players here.
Germany, Spain etc do have restrictions, especially on youth teams, and have a much higher homegrown percentage in the league than the PL.
Of course we need to improve coaching but it's clear there isn't just one issue affecting the national team. By using Germany as an example you inadvertently made a good point - we should follow their example, and not be afraid of change.
posted on 18/9/14
What restrictions do Germany and Spain have? Do you know what Germany did? They sorted out their grassroots football. Stopped allowing the press to pick the team, got a quality manager and a good group of youngsters and developed them through to the national team.
Good coaching again. Same with Spain and France. Do some research into how many coaches in the UK have their badges compared with these countries and the type of football they play which is focused on technical ability not size and playing his heart out.
There were restrictions, we won nothing. Now no restrictions, we have won nothing.
The problem is coaching. Of course ban the foreign imports, we still will won nothing until we sort out our coaching
posted on 18/9/14
So building grassroots football like Germany, France, Holland and Belgium is not the answer.
posted on 18/9/14
What restrictions do Germany and Spain have?
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Do your research
I've already agreed we need to improve coaching, that's obvious to be fair. Germany and Spain also have B teams in lower leagues.. coaching is good but you can't beat experience.
posted on 18/9/14
Why the hell don't we just actually promote British coaches to make British players come through at the same level as their European counterparts.
So ridiculous.
It's like a country restricting imports on a good because theirs are crap compared to those abroad rather than just improving their good!
posted on 18/9/14
comment by Bãles (U3582)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
What restrictions do Germany and Spain have?
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Do your research
I've already agreed we need to improve coaching, that's obvious to be fair. Germany and Spain also have B teams in lower leagues.. coaching is good but you can't beat experience.
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I've the experience, ive been playing competitively for 20 odd years, i'm still sheeite tho..... it's a coaching thing...
posted on 18/9/14
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posted on 18/9/14
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 35 minutes ago
Why the hell don't we just actually promote British coaches to make British players come through at the same level as their European counterparts.
So ridiculous.
It's like a country restricting imports on a good because theirs are crap compared to those abroad rather than just improving their good!
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You can't make do with just one or two goods to trade though. The markets vary - you need decent quality goods in every sector, so the consumer has a choice to best suit their needs.
Of course you should always be looking to improve your produce, and keep your borders open to the best quality imports. Sub standard imports with no testing or restrictions simply floods the market with cheap crap. No-one wants that.
posted on 18/9/14
How are you going to block the so called substandard products Bales?
posted on 18/9/14
Vote yes
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