The thing is, you aren't playing well, had a poor season last season and haven't replaced the defence which struggled last season, even with the experience of Rio, Vidic and Evra. You now have younger and not as good defenders. Rojo is a decent player but we don't know how he's going to perform and every Premier League fan would have wanted Shaw due to his potential but that's simply what it is at the moment.
You've also bought three very good players in Herrara, Di Maria and Falcao(loan) but again we don't know how these players are going to perform and to top it off, these new players have to gel into the side and the Premier League overall.
Not many sides have brought in many players and performed straight away in the first season and to expect United to be the first, is optimistic.
Chelsea had a better squad than Liverpool last season but they didn't perform as well as a team, with new players, a new manager and a new system. To expect United not to have these issues is naive. They finished third and everybody expects them to do better this season. So to expect higher than third is very optimistic indeed. I feel you'll fall short of third also.
It won't be long before United are back challenging, next season is my prediction but this season is a season too soon in my opinion.
Liverpool fan here.
In my opinion you will challenge for 3rd - 4th spot. I reckin City and Chelsea will be clear with a few points to spare but the other 2 CL places willbe between Utd, oyrselves, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton.
Its not inconceivable you could challenge for the title espcially like ourselves last year with less games but I reckon that may be a step to far this season but CL is most definetely attainable.
As I say just my opinion
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We will finish 3rd or 4th at best. Our squad is good and better than both Arsenal's and Pools. However, it's a new squad and the players have to get used to each other. I am not really worried about our defence as Liverpool and Arsenal have a defence just as bad. And in the case of Arsenal, they only have 5 fit defenders with CL football, League cup football all to play as well.
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I feel we have a much better defence, however, like your team, our defence need to gel.
Moreno I feel is going to be an outstanding player and in my opinion will be Spain's left back in a season or two.
Lovren and Sakho could form an excellent pairing, certainly better than anything United can offer.
Right back is up for debate as Johnson has been massively out of form for a year now and there becomes a time when you say it's not a form issue but a declining one but we also have Manquillo who looks to have very good potential, where you have Rafael who is a good player most of the time but suffers too many injuries.
You really should be worried about your defence, in my opinion.
The rest of your side will gel by around January and you'll be great going forward. I feel you'll then buy defenders and by next season you'll be challenging with your team gelled and a couple of defenders just to come in.
TOOR Blind Di Maria Rojo Blackett all new players to the first team and Falcao all played against QPR. That just leaves Shaw. We looked amazing 2nd half cutting through QPR like sliced butter. Its funny in 2nd half we had twice as many good chances as we did in 1st half but only scored 1 goal.
To be honest only refs can stop Man utd getting at least 3rd. Apart from Man city and Chelsea there is no other team with a squad as good as ours.
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posted 5 seconds ago
TOOR Blind Di Maria Rojo Blackett all new players to the first team and Falcao all played against QPR. That just leaves Shaw. We looked amazing 2nd half cutting through QPR like sliced butter. Its funny in 2nd half we had twice as many good chances as we did in 1st half but only scored 1 goal.
To be honest only refs can stop Man utd getting at least 3rd. Apart from Man city and Chelsea there is no other team with a squad as good as ours.
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Please Hafi with the referee comments, it's cringe-worthy.
On the rest, you have won one game, against QPR. You were dreadful in all the others and were absolutely destroyed by MK Dons ffs. You can't possibly put a positive spin on that. Achieve it and I'm promoting you past GB.
TOOR we never had our new team. First time we had our new team. Man utd also started the same in 07-08 team, last time we had a squad as good as this.
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posted 15 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Tbh I don't think there is much in the defence and I can't really tell yet just how bad it is. I know we have some average players in CB. However, we are solid and much better in left back than last season. Please don't go on about Evra. He has been a liability for years. Shaw is an upgrade on him now and Rojo is quite good there. Rafael when fit is a good right back but question marks on his fitness. I don't know how Rojo will at CB and I am not sure how Smalling/Jones etc will fair. Blackett has looked good though.
Reason why I am not worried is, we will be no worse in defence than we were last season and much better at controlling games and going forward as we have a decent midfield now and a great attack.
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The thing is, you're just guessing how good Shaw and Rojo are going to be. Shaw isn't as good as Evra, even in the season before last when he was quite poor. However he has the potential to be an excellent player. Rojo is an unknown.
Jones and Smalling, who I like, are still young and need games and to avoid injuries. Blackett hasn't been great but when you've no other option you hope a young player does well, for a young player.
Shaw created that Mata goal against Liverpool.
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posted 3 minutes ago
TOOR we never had our new team. First time we had our new team. Man utd also started the same in 07-08 team, last time we had a squad as good as this.
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I don't think your squad is great to be honest. First eleven can be good but after that, you're still left with average players. That's if the players you brought in perform right away and gel right away, which I doubt is going to happen.
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posted 2 seconds ago
Shaw created that Mata goal against Liverpool.
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I think the beginning of United's season has proved that pre-season isn't a barometer of how teams will get on.
You can also look at our thrashing of Dortmund, who then bossed Arsenal as an example.
...............DDG
........... Rojo..........Blind...........
Rafael........Carrick...........Shaw
...........Herrera.....Di Maria......
....................Mata.........Rooney.
.................Falcao......................
Looks scary on paper.
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posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Those 3 games you mentioned did not include: Blind, Rafael, Di Maria(for 2), Falcao, Herrara (for 3 of them), Rojo, Shaw. Our 6 signings will be starters and you can add the injured Rafael to that as well. 7 new starters to an XI. The side will not be anywhere near the same side that started the season or played last season. A lot of those players who played were awful and won't play many games/have been sold: Cleverley, Welbeck, Anderson, Hernandez, Valencia, Young, Fletcher
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Well that's sort of the point I'm making, to expect all those players to come in right away, perform, gel to a new side, tactics and in some cases league, is very optimistic.
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posted 48 seconds ago
...............DDG
........... Rojo..........Blind...........
Rafael........Carrick...........Shaw
...........Herrera.....Di Maria......
....................Mata.........Rooney.
.................Falcao......................
Looks scary on paper.
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You will never ever play that formation and players. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
You clearly have not watched Utd a lot lately. Evra defensively for the last 3 season's and in particular last season was very bad! Just because he used to be world class, it does not mean he is still class. He was lazy, never tracked back, he is nowhere near as quick. If Shaw brings his form from last season, he will be an upgrade. It's quite simple. As Falcao said, quality players learn quick and adapt. The likes of Spurs bought a lot of average players/poor players. We bought some world class and quality players. It will be interesting to see how we fair, but I would not be surprised if we really kick on now.
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I have watched United as much as most rival fans, I'm sure. I felt Evra had a decent season the season before last. By his standards he has been nowhere near his best but to think young Shaw will be better than him right away is very optimistic indeed.
Yes Falcao might have said that but I'm sure nobody is stupid enough not to know that good players often fail for various reason, like those I mentioned earlier.
TOOR we played that formation last game but switching Blind with Carrick and Rojo instead of Shaw and Blackett playing in defence near the left center back.
So basically that same team I listed played yesterday apart from Shaw and Carrick as Blackett and Blind played instead and carrick and Shaw are not ready yet.
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posted 1 minute ago
TOOR we played that formation last game but switching Blind with Carrick and Rojo instead of Shaw and Blackett playing in defence near the left center back.
So basically that same team I listed played yesterday apart from Shaw and Carrick as Blackett and Blind played instead and carrick and Shaw are not ready yet.
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No you didn't.
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The scousers don't seem to get the fact that they conceded more goals than us (and we finished 7th) last season and so far this season their defence has looked just as vulnerable, if not more so than ours.
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posted 5 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Shaw was better than him last season, so yes I fully expect him to be an upgrade. Rojo will even be an upgrade in that area. Evra was a complete liability last season. Nowhere near good enough.
This season is the season we should have had last season and we will only improve and I fully expect us to go all out in the transfer market again and sign someone like Strootman, Hummels, another winger and probably a forward. So there is no reason to be worried if you are a Utd fan. I'd be more worried if I was a supporter of Liverpool and Arsenal because both clubs can't do what Utd did, go out and spend 200m+.
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Was he better? I'm not sure but not really comparable. Evra played in a very poor team, whilst Shaw was settled in a Southampton side playing a style which was build for a while.
Regardless, as I said before, there are many other things to think about, which we've seen throughout football history, These things take time.
Evra scored against Bayern Munich and then I wanted him to be substitued immediately but he stayed on and you guessed it he did his brain freeze moment of over celebrating and forgot to defend and we conceded due to him within like 60 seconds.
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posted on 17/9/14
The thing is, you aren't playing well, had a poor season last season and haven't replaced the defence which struggled last season, even with the experience of Rio, Vidic and Evra. You now have younger and not as good defenders. Rojo is a decent player but we don't know how he's going to perform and every Premier League fan would have wanted Shaw due to his potential but that's simply what it is at the moment.
You've also bought three very good players in Herrara, Di Maria and Falcao(loan) but again we don't know how these players are going to perform and to top it off, these new players have to gel into the side and the Premier League overall.
Not many sides have brought in many players and performed straight away in the first season and to expect United to be the first, is optimistic.
Chelsea had a better squad than Liverpool last season but they didn't perform as well as a team, with new players, a new manager and a new system. To expect United not to have these issues is naive. They finished third and everybody expects them to do better this season. So to expect higher than third is very optimistic indeed. I feel you'll fall short of third also.
It won't be long before United are back challenging, next season is my prediction but this season is a season too soon in my opinion.
posted on 17/9/14
Liverpool fan here.
In my opinion you will challenge for 3rd - 4th spot. I reckin City and Chelsea will be clear with a few points to spare but the other 2 CL places willbe between Utd, oyrselves, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton.
Its not inconceivable you could challenge for the title espcially like ourselves last year with less games but I reckon that may be a step to far this season but CL is most definetely attainable.
As I say just my opinion
posted on 17/9/14
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 12 seconds ago
We will finish 3rd or 4th at best. Our squad is good and better than both Arsenal's and Pools. However, it's a new squad and the players have to get used to each other. I am not really worried about our defence as Liverpool and Arsenal have a defence just as bad. And in the case of Arsenal, they only have 5 fit defenders with CL football, League cup football all to play as well.
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I feel we have a much better defence, however, like your team, our defence need to gel.
Moreno I feel is going to be an outstanding player and in my opinion will be Spain's left back in a season or two.
Lovren and Sakho could form an excellent pairing, certainly better than anything United can offer.
Right back is up for debate as Johnson has been massively out of form for a year now and there becomes a time when you say it's not a form issue but a declining one but we also have Manquillo who looks to have very good potential, where you have Rafael who is a good player most of the time but suffers too many injuries.
You really should be worried about your defence, in my opinion.
The rest of your side will gel by around January and you'll be great going forward. I feel you'll then buy defenders and by next season you'll be challenging with your team gelled and a couple of defenders just to come in.
posted on 17/9/14
TOOR Blind Di Maria Rojo Blackett all new players to the first team and Falcao all played against QPR. That just leaves Shaw. We looked amazing 2nd half cutting through QPR like sliced butter. Its funny in 2nd half we had twice as many good chances as we did in 1st half but only scored 1 goal.
To be honest only refs can stop Man utd getting at least 3rd. Apart from Man city and Chelsea there is no other team with a squad as good as ours.
posted on 17/9/14
comment by Hafi's Man Utd Red Devils 14/15 PL Champi... (U6578)
posted 5 seconds ago
TOOR Blind Di Maria Rojo Blackett all new players to the first team and Falcao all played against QPR. That just leaves Shaw. We looked amazing 2nd half cutting through QPR like sliced butter. Its funny in 2nd half we had twice as many good chances as we did in 1st half but only scored 1 goal.
To be honest only refs can stop Man utd getting at least 3rd. Apart from Man city and Chelsea there is no other team with a squad as good as ours.
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Please Hafi with the referee comments, it's cringe-worthy.
On the rest, you have won one game, against QPR. You were dreadful in all the others and were absolutely destroyed by MK Dons ffs. You can't possibly put a positive spin on that. Achieve it and I'm promoting you past GB.
posted on 17/9/14
TOOR we never had our new team. First time we had our new team. Man utd also started the same in 07-08 team, last time we had a squad as good as this.
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posted 15 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Tbh I don't think there is much in the defence and I can't really tell yet just how bad it is. I know we have some average players in CB. However, we are solid and much better in left back than last season. Please don't go on about Evra. He has been a liability for years. Shaw is an upgrade on him now and Rojo is quite good there. Rafael when fit is a good right back but question marks on his fitness. I don't know how Rojo will at CB and I am not sure how Smalling/Jones etc will fair. Blackett has looked good though.
Reason why I am not worried is, we will be no worse in defence than we were last season and much better at controlling games and going forward as we have a decent midfield now and a great attack.
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The thing is, you're just guessing how good Shaw and Rojo are going to be. Shaw isn't as good as Evra, even in the season before last when he was quite poor. However he has the potential to be an excellent player. Rojo is an unknown.
Jones and Smalling, who I like, are still young and need games and to avoid injuries. Blackett hasn't been great but when you've no other option you hope a young player does well, for a young player.
posted on 17/9/14
Shaw created that Mata goal against Liverpool.
posted on 17/9/14
comment by Hafi's Man Utd Red Devils 14/15 PL Champi... (U6578)
posted 3 minutes ago
TOOR we never had our new team. First time we had our new team. Man utd also started the same in 07-08 team, last time we had a squad as good as this.
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I don't think your squad is great to be honest. First eleven can be good but after that, you're still left with average players. That's if the players you brought in perform right away and gel right away, which I doubt is going to happen.
posted on 17/9/14
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posted on 17/9/14
comment by Hafi's Man Utd Red Devils 14/15 PL Champi... (U6578)
posted 2 seconds ago
Shaw created that Mata goal against Liverpool.
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I think the beginning of United's season has proved that pre-season isn't a barometer of how teams will get on.
You can also look at our thrashing of Dortmund, who then bossed Arsenal as an example.
posted on 17/9/14
...............DDG
........... Rojo..........Blind...........
Rafael........Carrick...........Shaw
...........Herrera.....Di Maria......
....................Mata.........Rooney.
.................Falcao......................
Looks scary on paper.
posted on 17/9/14
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Those 3 games you mentioned did not include: Blind, Rafael, Di Maria(for 2), Falcao, Herrara (for 3 of them), Rojo, Shaw. Our 6 signings will be starters and you can add the injured Rafael to that as well. 7 new starters to an XI. The side will not be anywhere near the same side that started the season or played last season. A lot of those players who played were awful and won't play many games/have been sold: Cleverley, Welbeck, Anderson, Hernandez, Valencia, Young, Fletcher
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Well that's sort of the point I'm making, to expect all those players to come in right away, perform, gel to a new side, tactics and in some cases league, is very optimistic.
posted on 17/9/14
comment by Hafi's Man Utd Red Devils 14/15 PL Champi... (U6578)
posted 48 seconds ago
...............DDG
........... Rojo..........Blind...........
Rafael........Carrick...........Shaw
...........Herrera.....Di Maria......
....................Mata.........Rooney.
.................Falcao......................
Looks scary on paper.
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You will never ever play that formation and players. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
You clearly have not watched Utd a lot lately. Evra defensively for the last 3 season's and in particular last season was very bad! Just because he used to be world class, it does not mean he is still class. He was lazy, never tracked back, he is nowhere near as quick. If Shaw brings his form from last season, he will be an upgrade. It's quite simple. As Falcao said, quality players learn quick and adapt. The likes of Spurs bought a lot of average players/poor players. We bought some world class and quality players. It will be interesting to see how we fair, but I would not be surprised if we really kick on now.
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I have watched United as much as most rival fans, I'm sure. I felt Evra had a decent season the season before last. By his standards he has been nowhere near his best but to think young Shaw will be better than him right away is very optimistic indeed.
Yes Falcao might have said that but I'm sure nobody is stupid enough not to know that good players often fail for various reason, like those I mentioned earlier.
posted on 17/9/14
TOOR we played that formation last game but switching Blind with Carrick and Rojo instead of Shaw and Blackett playing in defence near the left center back.
So basically that same team I listed played yesterday apart from Shaw and Carrick as Blackett and Blind played instead and carrick and Shaw are not ready yet.
posted on 17/9/14
comment by Hafi's Man Utd Red Devils 14/15 PL Champi... (U6578)
posted 1 minute ago
TOOR we played that formation last game but switching Blind with Carrick and Rojo instead of Shaw and Blackett playing in defence near the left center back.
So basically that same team I listed played yesterday apart from Shaw and Carrick as Blackett and Blind played instead and carrick and Shaw are not ready yet.
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No you didn't.
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posted on 17/9/14
The scousers don't seem to get the fact that they conceded more goals than us (and we finished 7th) last season and so far this season their defence has looked just as vulnerable, if not more so than ours.
posted on 17/9/14
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 5 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Shaw was better than him last season, so yes I fully expect him to be an upgrade. Rojo will even be an upgrade in that area. Evra was a complete liability last season. Nowhere near good enough.
This season is the season we should have had last season and we will only improve and I fully expect us to go all out in the transfer market again and sign someone like Strootman, Hummels, another winger and probably a forward. So there is no reason to be worried if you are a Utd fan. I'd be more worried if I was a supporter of Liverpool and Arsenal because both clubs can't do what Utd did, go out and spend 200m+.
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Was he better? I'm not sure but not really comparable. Evra played in a very poor team, whilst Shaw was settled in a Southampton side playing a style which was build for a while.
Regardless, as I said before, there are many other things to think about, which we've seen throughout football history, These things take time.
posted on 17/9/14
Evra scored against Bayern Munich and then I wanted him to be substitued immediately but he stayed on and you guessed it he did his brain freeze moment of over celebrating and forgot to defend and we conceded due to him within like 60 seconds.
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