I took a whack in my younger years from a mate of my granddad for booing an injured player from the opposition off the pitch at Anfield. I told my dad when i got home and he whacked me again...
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The language used bothers me less than the decline in sporting fair play standards... but the crowd take their lead from the players and well that's another can of worms isn't it!
It's not always picked up from family. My little brother has started using vile language lately, and he sure as hell didn't pick that up from us. Kids can pick these things up from other kids, especially in situations where they are in contact with many.
Totally agree, sit in family enc, and no problem with regulars, but have had bad language from the once a season mob ,young and old.
Lack of respect all round, but when you see how the England captain behaves then what hope have we got.
Too many people teach their kids that they are "special" and therefore should be allowed to behave how they like,they see some footballers and second rate celebrities as role models and copy their behaviour.
The likes of Moore and the Charlton were role models, sadly money has ruined the game since their time.
In general the crowds have been great and extremely positive at the KP this season from where I sit (this will be tested tomorrow if things get sticky). I guess in a crowd of 32k there will always be a few idiots. Does that make it right? Of course not.
The England captain could set an example on the field of play....Mmm Wayne Rooney..perhaps not.
comment by ||The Great AFL©||™ (U11952)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
It's not always picked up from family. My little brother has started using vile language lately, and he sure as hell didn't pick that up from us. Kids can pick these things up from other kids, especially in situations where they are in contact with many.
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Fair point but in this scenario the parent was allowing it to happen. Quite often at football games I see a dad or mum behaving as if they're kids aren't present.
I guess what I'm coming back to is that it seems acceptable now in our society to go to football matches and scream abuse at the officials or players. I would say those who dont are in the minority, certainly in my experience.
Is there a wider issue of a complete lack of respect from fans for football players and referees?
Sure we can say that football players arent exactly role models, but the only role model that I think really counts for a child is his mum, dad or older brother/sister. If they have no respect, then most likely neither will the child.
So should home fans be punished for screaming abuse? Is it acceptable to call the referee a C just because you have paid your money? What do you guys think?
I can go back to when I first went to matches, hearing the 'C' word. This wasn't just at Leicester obviously.
People were thrown out in those days or were sternly warned about their vile behaviour. Not now, because there's hardly anyone around to enforce it.
comment by scouse-heart (U3234)
posted 10 hours, 28 minutes ago
I took a whack in my younger years from a mate of my granddad for booing an injured player from the opposition off the pitch at Anfield. I told my dad when i got home and he whacked me again...
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Let's face it, society in England is fekked! Manners, politeness, respect and consideration for others are a thing of the past and to find an English gentleman these days is very rare.
People generally don't have any courtesy anymore, having a door held open is rare and people rarely thank you for it when you do. I've lost count of the amount of times I've thanked myself for doing something for someone else because they've not.
We live in a selfish society where we only care about ourselves and we'll step on anyone to get what we want. We place way too much value on material items and how we appear to others because we need the nice house and car as a status to show we're a success but in doing that we lose what's actually important because there is far more to life than big houses, the latest technology and flash cars.
We need to start instilling traditional English values in our homes and get "our" society back because it's been heavily diluted by every other culture to the point where we've lost our own. This is one of the main reasons why I left England, it's not the same place that I grew up in that's for sure.
The day where children are taught to respect referees is the day I'm done with football.
What we need to do is teach kids to stop turning against their team. That is a real value that goes way beyond something as minor as swearing.
'Of course you cant babysit people or control their behaviour, but is the future going to be where the quieter people who just want to watch a match stay at home and the KP and other grounds are full of people who just want to use football as a way to vent their frustration at their own lives? '
You sound like a Rugby fan.
Give me swearing kids any day over a silent stadium of people sitting and merely watching a match.
BlackStarr, I've heard dads effing and blinding in front of their eight year old kids too, but not in a family section. The day will come when someone - anyone, an adult or a child - carries on in a vein of swearing that offends you. When that happens, you have the option of reporting it to a steward or to the police, or speaking to the children's parents direct. You'll get a few recriminatory foul-mouthed comments from the people you report, but you watch, those people will be under scrutiny thereafter, and their embarrassment will get the better of them, probably in another stream of invective aimed at you. But just nod and tell them that if that's acceptable to them, that's fine. You will also get some thank-yous. If foul-mouthed people, especially in family sections, are ejected from the ground, others will think twice and maybe start controlling themselves or their children, or go and sit elsewhere. If stewards take no action, you'll either have to sit where you can almost guarantee (and accept) that there'll be swearing, or the last resort, you can vote with your feet. Personally, I'm too old now to be bothered about other people's behaviour. That's their problem. If I can block them out and take in the game, I'm happy.
If swearing is our biggest concern then the season must be going pretty well.
I personally don't believe that a word is offensive so swear words are meaningless to me. It's the use of words that I diskike. Someone can be abusive and vile without swearing, which I think is what the OP is talking about.
I'd love our fans to be positive in their support all the time, but as Emilio points out, you don't want to do this at the expense of the fantastic atmospheres you get at football.
Crystal Palace seem to have done a pretty good job of this. I think their support and singing section is second to none in the football league at the minute.
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comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 9 hours, 31 minutes ago
Let's face it, society in England is fekked! Manners, politeness, respect and consideration for others are a thing of the past and to find an English gentleman these days is very rare.
People generally don't have any courtesy anymore, having a door held open is rare and people rarely thank you for it when you do. I've lost count of the amount of times I've thanked myself for doing something for someone else because they've not.
We live in a selfish society where we only care about ourselves and we'll step on anyone to get what we want. We place way too much value on material items and how we appear to others because we need the nice house and car as a status to show we're a success but in doing that we lose what's actually important because there is far more to life than big houses, the latest technology and flash cars.
We need to start instilling traditional English values in our homes and get "our" society back because it's been heavily diluted by every other culture to the point where we've lost our own. This is one of the main reasons why I left England, it's not the same place that I grew up in that's for sure.
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We haven't agreed on anything this week arro but this post is excellent in my view
comment by aries22 (U1203)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
BlackStarr, I've heard dads effing and blinding in front of their eight year old kids too, but not in a family section. The day will come when someone - anyone, an adult or a child - carries on in a vein of swearing that offends you. When that happens, you have the option of reporting it to a steward or to the police, or speaking to the children's parents direct. You'll get a few recriminatory foul-mouthed comments from the people you report, but you watch, those people will be under scrutiny thereafter, and their embarrassment will get the better of them, probably in another stream of invective aimed at you. But just nod and tell them that if that's acceptable to them, that's fine. You will also get some thank-yous. If foul-mouthed people, especially in family sections, are ejected from the ground, others will think twice and maybe start controlling themselves or their children, or go and sit elsewhere. If stewards take no action, you'll either have to sit where you can almost guarantee (and accept) that there'll be swearing, or the last resort, you can vote with your feet. Personally, I'm too old now to be bothered about other people's behaviour. That's their problem. If I can block them out and take in the game, I'm happy.
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I might give this one a to today! There is someone who I have sat near to who screams abuse for the whole match. I mean just screams it, at the players, the ref, linesman etc. people around him get sick of it
You mean you might give it a go?
aries - sorry yes! I might try your suggestion. If I come home with a black eye though I reserve the right to sue you
Don't sue me, just *!#^ and *%^* at me!
Seriously, do give it a go, if only to see what happens. I bet the silent majority around you speak up in support. Good luck.
We need to start instilling traditional English values in our homes and get "our" society back because it's been heavily diluted by every other culture to the point where we've lost our own. This is one of the main reasons why I left England, it's not the same place that I grew up in that's for sure.
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I think we're beyond the point of no return, squire.
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Vulpes It's funny you mention patience too. The last time I was home, I was shocked by a radio segment I was listening to, where drivers were complaining about lollipop ladies (or whatever they're called these days) because they were allowing kids to cross instead of making them wait until there's a larger group.
Have things really got to the stage where we can't wait 30 seconds for kids to cross a road safely? Shocking!
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posted on 3/10/14
Culling required.
posted on 3/10/14
I took a whack in my younger years from a mate of my granddad for booing an injured player from the opposition off the pitch at Anfield. I told my dad when i got home and he whacked me again...
posted on 3/10/14
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posted on 3/10/14
The language used bothers me less than the decline in sporting fair play standards... but the crowd take their lead from the players and well that's another can of worms isn't it!
posted on 3/10/14
It's not always picked up from family. My little brother has started using vile language lately, and he sure as hell didn't pick that up from us. Kids can pick these things up from other kids, especially in situations where they are in contact with many.
posted on 3/10/14
Totally agree, sit in family enc, and no problem with regulars, but have had bad language from the once a season mob ,young and old.
Lack of respect all round, but when you see how the England captain behaves then what hope have we got.
Too many people teach their kids that they are "special" and therefore should be allowed to behave how they like,they see some footballers and second rate celebrities as role models and copy their behaviour.
The likes of Moore and the Charlton were role models, sadly money has ruined the game since their time.
posted on 3/10/14
In general the crowds have been great and extremely positive at the KP this season from where I sit (this will be tested tomorrow if things get sticky). I guess in a crowd of 32k there will always be a few idiots. Does that make it right? Of course not.
posted on 3/10/14
The England captain could set an example on the field of play....Mmm Wayne Rooney..perhaps not.
posted on 3/10/14
comment by ||The Great AFL©||™ (U11952)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
It's not always picked up from family. My little brother has started using vile language lately, and he sure as hell didn't pick that up from us. Kids can pick these things up from other kids, especially in situations where they are in contact with many.
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Fair point but in this scenario the parent was allowing it to happen. Quite often at football games I see a dad or mum behaving as if they're kids aren't present.
I guess what I'm coming back to is that it seems acceptable now in our society to go to football matches and scream abuse at the officials or players. I would say those who dont are in the minority, certainly in my experience.
Is there a wider issue of a complete lack of respect from fans for football players and referees?
Sure we can say that football players arent exactly role models, but the only role model that I think really counts for a child is his mum, dad or older brother/sister. If they have no respect, then most likely neither will the child.
So should home fans be punished for screaming abuse? Is it acceptable to call the referee a C just because you have paid your money? What do you guys think?
posted on 3/10/14
I can go back to when I first went to matches, hearing the 'C' word. This wasn't just at Leicester obviously.
People were thrown out in those days or were sternly warned about their vile behaviour. Not now, because there's hardly anyone around to enforce it.
posted on 3/10/14
comment by scouse-heart (U3234)
posted 10 hours, 28 minutes ago
I took a whack in my younger years from a mate of my granddad for booing an injured player from the opposition off the pitch at Anfield. I told my dad when i got home and he whacked me again...
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Should've called Childline for a free and confidential listening service: 0800 1111
posted on 3/10/14
Let's face it, society in England is fekked! Manners, politeness, respect and consideration for others are a thing of the past and to find an English gentleman these days is very rare.
People generally don't have any courtesy anymore, having a door held open is rare and people rarely thank you for it when you do. I've lost count of the amount of times I've thanked myself for doing something for someone else because they've not.
We live in a selfish society where we only care about ourselves and we'll step on anyone to get what we want. We place way too much value on material items and how we appear to others because we need the nice house and car as a status to show we're a success but in doing that we lose what's actually important because there is far more to life than big houses, the latest technology and flash cars.
We need to start instilling traditional English values in our homes and get "our" society back because it's been heavily diluted by every other culture to the point where we've lost our own. This is one of the main reasons why I left England, it's not the same place that I grew up in that's for sure.
posted on 4/10/14
The day where children are taught to respect referees is the day I'm done with football.
What we need to do is teach kids to stop turning against their team. That is a real value that goes way beyond something as minor as swearing.
posted on 4/10/14
'Of course you cant babysit people or control their behaviour, but is the future going to be where the quieter people who just want to watch a match stay at home and the KP and other grounds are full of people who just want to use football as a way to vent their frustration at their own lives? '
You sound like a Rugby fan.
Give me swearing kids any day over a silent stadium of people sitting and merely watching a match.
posted on 4/10/14
BlackStarr, I've heard dads effing and blinding in front of their eight year old kids too, but not in a family section. The day will come when someone - anyone, an adult or a child - carries on in a vein of swearing that offends you. When that happens, you have the option of reporting it to a steward or to the police, or speaking to the children's parents direct. You'll get a few recriminatory foul-mouthed comments from the people you report, but you watch, those people will be under scrutiny thereafter, and their embarrassment will get the better of them, probably in another stream of invective aimed at you. But just nod and tell them that if that's acceptable to them, that's fine. You will also get some thank-yous. If foul-mouthed people, especially in family sections, are ejected from the ground, others will think twice and maybe start controlling themselves or their children, or go and sit elsewhere. If stewards take no action, you'll either have to sit where you can almost guarantee (and accept) that there'll be swearing, or the last resort, you can vote with your feet. Personally, I'm too old now to be bothered about other people's behaviour. That's their problem. If I can block them out and take in the game, I'm happy.
posted on 4/10/14
If swearing is our biggest concern then the season must be going pretty well.
I personally don't believe that a word is offensive so swear words are meaningless to me. It's the use of words that I diskike. Someone can be abusive and vile without swearing, which I think is what the OP is talking about.
I'd love our fans to be positive in their support all the time, but as Emilio points out, you don't want to do this at the expense of the fantastic atmospheres you get at football.
Crystal Palace seem to have done a pretty good job of this. I think their support and singing section is second to none in the football league at the minute.
posted on 4/10/14
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posted on 4/10/14
comment by arrothefoxinoz (U8567)
posted 9 hours, 31 minutes ago
Let's face it, society in England is fekked! Manners, politeness, respect and consideration for others are a thing of the past and to find an English gentleman these days is very rare.
People generally don't have any courtesy anymore, having a door held open is rare and people rarely thank you for it when you do. I've lost count of the amount of times I've thanked myself for doing something for someone else because they've not.
We live in a selfish society where we only care about ourselves and we'll step on anyone to get what we want. We place way too much value on material items and how we appear to others because we need the nice house and car as a status to show we're a success but in doing that we lose what's actually important because there is far more to life than big houses, the latest technology and flash cars.
We need to start instilling traditional English values in our homes and get "our" society back because it's been heavily diluted by every other culture to the point where we've lost our own. This is one of the main reasons why I left England, it's not the same place that I grew up in that's for sure.
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We haven't agreed on anything this week arro but this post is excellent in my view
posted on 4/10/14
comment by aries22 (U1203)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
BlackStarr, I've heard dads effing and blinding in front of their eight year old kids too, but not in a family section. The day will come when someone - anyone, an adult or a child - carries on in a vein of swearing that offends you. When that happens, you have the option of reporting it to a steward or to the police, or speaking to the children's parents direct. You'll get a few recriminatory foul-mouthed comments from the people you report, but you watch, those people will be under scrutiny thereafter, and their embarrassment will get the better of them, probably in another stream of invective aimed at you. But just nod and tell them that if that's acceptable to them, that's fine. You will also get some thank-yous. If foul-mouthed people, especially in family sections, are ejected from the ground, others will think twice and maybe start controlling themselves or their children, or go and sit elsewhere. If stewards take no action, you'll either have to sit where you can almost guarantee (and accept) that there'll be swearing, or the last resort, you can vote with your feet. Personally, I'm too old now to be bothered about other people's behaviour. That's their problem. If I can block them out and take in the game, I'm happy.
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I might give this one a to today! There is someone who I have sat near to who screams abuse for the whole match. I mean just screams it, at the players, the ref, linesman etc. people around him get sick of it
posted on 4/10/14
You mean you might give it a go?
posted on 4/10/14
aries - sorry yes! I might try your suggestion. If I come home with a black eye though I reserve the right to sue you
posted on 4/10/14
Don't sue me, just *!#^ and *%^* at me!
Seriously, do give it a go, if only to see what happens. I bet the silent majority around you speak up in support. Good luck.
posted on 4/10/14
We need to start instilling traditional English values in our homes and get "our" society back because it's been heavily diluted by every other culture to the point where we've lost our own. This is one of the main reasons why I left England, it's not the same place that I grew up in that's for sure.
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I think we're beyond the point of no return, squire.
posted on 4/10/14
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posted on 4/10/14
Vulpes It's funny you mention patience too. The last time I was home, I was shocked by a radio segment I was listening to, where drivers were complaining about lollipop ladies (or whatever they're called these days) because they were allowing kids to cross instead of making them wait until there's a larger group.
Have things really got to the stage where we can't wait 30 seconds for kids to cross a road safely? Shocking!
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