I was on the Forest match thread at the time (making up the numbers) and had to smile at this:
comment by forest1981 (U2606)
posted 5 hours, 44 minutes ago
Waaaaaay too much hoof 'n' hope for my liking
I mean fair play A* for effort and power but other than that KMT- show some respect for the game.
5 sssssssss.
Article of the year.......pity you didn't quite catch the name of these specialists of HOOF.
Great work Wellies
Brilliant stuff 2w
Where were you in the 80's though, that's what I want to know?
Probably cooking the same meal Marco
Super stuff 2 W. 5 stars from me. I like it very much. My candidate for POTY.
Probably cooking the same meal Marco
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Don't talk wet Igor, me ma was cooking it for me then, crystal meth for breakfast, free school dinner for lunch and the lasannia for tea A diet that you urban folk in cities would have had to pay good money for in your fancy restronts.
As for the 80's most of my footballing knowledge comes from watching Mickey Forsyth and Geraint Williams Glory Days.
On a serious note though it does seem like us Derby fans are the last defenders of the beauty of the game in these parts. With billions being spent in Leicester and Nottingham for dire football, granted Leicester do try sometimes and hopefully Forest when they decide to buy in players that don't break down can use this as a model for themselves. For now though I think it is ourselves alone flying the flag or in laymans terms...
.....we the realest team on the block.
Unfortunately they don't give points for artistic impression or style so teams like Forest and Ipswich can continue to play their brand of the not so beautiful game and still be successful. There is nothing in the rules says you can't hoof the ball up front and hope for a mistake by the opposition. It is a legitimate tactic.
What do people do in the international break? I am off looking at property and walking in the mountains of Spain. It's a tough life but someone has to do it. Won't be here to check on your English and spelling so I appoint Oscar as my deputy to maintain standards.
gr8 fanx spart will doo mi best ...
Got work to do but will argue against your decrepit reductionist logic when I get a few seconds.
You might not get points for artistic impression from a short term perspective Spart but from a long term perspective you do. It took us five years of dropping points, to now play the way we do with a variety of attacking options from positions all over the pitch and a knowledge of defending against the overload and teams hitting us on the break.
Which is the difference. Forest are maxed out in their current mould, if they are to win the league they will have to change their style of play. Pearce has been reluctant to do this and their creative drive relies on individuals that often break down (Reid, Lansbury and Vaughan) as opposed to us who have a system of play that still works when injuries hit (Martin possibly being the only player that it would be difficult to replace)
Long ball teams can be succesful especially for clubs that don't have the resources of others and I recognise that, but they still have to be creative but Forest don't fit that category they rely solely on pace and power and good set-piece delivery with most of their players cowardly staying behind the ball. The draws they have picked up are no coincidence, it is risk aversion football, which makes them difficult to beat but equally makes it difficult for them to progress or develop any dynamism as a team. Ipswich on the other hand play an agricultural game but did show attacking patterns to their game in open play.
Forest in open play offered nothing apart from strong running on the break and my main gripe was how excited their fans were getting at seeing a player run in a straight line fast.
Pearce can keep Forest in their shell but at some point they're going to have to come out and play, at which point they will be heavily exposed. At the beginning of the season Antonio and Assambalomnga destroyed teams, teams starting with Derby worked them out and dealt with them, their prolific goal scoring dried up. Victories have become draws, had they been trying to adapt their game to providing different attacking threats to support Antonio and A'balonga then they might have lost a few games, might even be lower in the league but would have been developing as a team and laying down foundations for future successes.
Currently, they're stuck in their shell, everyone behind the ball and hope Antonio and Assombalonga's running on the break can get us a set piece. It will get them points, it will make them hard to beat short term, but long term it will not get them promotion or success, they will have to come out of their shells and having hidden in there for too long I fear they'll be torn apart when they do.
There are points for artistic impression, style and creativity it just takes longer than 90 minutes for you to get them. IMHO
Cat and Spart as next door neighbours could be interesting.
Oh n fanx fore mayking mee depewetee whyle ur fannee-ing rownd in spane.
I would disagree only about one thing, 2W.
Whereas Derby's came has all the subtle artistic merits of a Turner seascape, Forest's is also a work of art.
A Jackson Pollock.
*game (although the original may be a Freudian slip, given the orgasmic quality of some of our goals)
It's a valid point Eddie, maybe I was being a little judgmental and viewing other clubs with Derby glasses on which is always going to kill the orgasm.
Each to their own and all that.
Obviously a great deal of effort gone into finding all those letters on your keyboard but the stats below suggest you are deluded.
As was said after yr game vs Milwall; Derby manager Steve McClaren: "I thought quite early on that it was going to be a one-nil game but we didn't have the quality to pull it off.
"We lacked quality in the final third, we lacked quality with our final ball, we lacked quality in our finishing"
Derby vs Milwall
Shots D:10 M: 11
On target D: 1 M: 2
Fouls D: 15 M: 12
Forest vs Ipswich
Shots F: 19 Ip: 10
On target F: 5 Ip: 5
Fouls F: 8 Ip: 15
"W"s
For a man who claims to know nothing of tactics etc, "You might not get points for artistic impression from a short term perspective Spart but from a long term perspective you do. It took us five years of dropping points, to now play the way we do with a variety of attacking options from positions all over the pitch and a knowledge of defending against the overload and teams hitting us on the break." shows a profound knowledge of the game.
One of my 2 teams, now u16s, had a season of losing virtually every game after I took over because I changed the way they played.
Out went the hoofball agricultural style and in came the purists passing/moving game.
Yesterday, in latest game in the top division of our local youth league, the ref came up to me after the game to make a point of telling me that we were "one of the best footballing sides he'd seen for years". This, from one of Wiltshire's most experienced senior refs who refs all standards of football, meant a huge amount to me - far more than the 6th consecutive win or 100% record. Made my post match talk very easy!
Whilst the Rams and my U16s are on a different level, of course, the principle is the same. Playing football the proper way is sustainable with any player capable of playing in a variety of positions; hoofball requires a particular type of player with specific but limited skills.
I know which I prefer
#totalfootball
the blue team versus the red team:
= footballing mogadon.
Why do we not have a bite smiley, it's a travesty.........
Peeder nice to see the art form isn't dying for the 100% run too and a good plug for you being the next Darren Wassall
SteveB what are you trying to say with your stats? I was merely raising the point in my opinion, that your manager has got you lot playing a negative brand of football that is holding you back and that a large percentage of your fans cheer when one of your forwards run with the ball in a straight line getting a shot away that will never score, when in Derby the crowd would probably be shouting where are you going? I raised these points as a matter of concern because it alarms me that this approach to football is still being adopted by highly paid managers.
I'm not sure how shots on target, off target and fouls conceded disproves my viewpoint, but am happy to be educated. I was always tick at maths.
Moj - I actually think Ipswich have improved from last season in terms of passing obviously with the introduction of the fish
2W - I think Wassall is safe for now.
One of the things I like about McClaren is that he rarely seeks to take any credit himself. And he's right not to. The concept might be his (and Nigels before him) but its the players that have to buy into it. Ours have definitely done this and I thoroughly enjoy watching Derby these days.
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I was on the Forest match thread at the time (making up the numbers) and had to smile at this:
comment by forest1981 (U2606)
posted 5 hours, 44 minutes ago
Waaaaaay too much hoof 'n' hope for my liking
posted on 5/10/14
I mean fair play A* for effort and power but other than that KMT- show some respect for the game.
posted on 5/10/14
5 sssssssss.
Article of the year.......pity you didn't quite catch the name of these specialists of HOOF.
Great work Wellies
posted on 5/10/14
Brilliant stuff 2w
Where were you in the 80's though, that's what I want to know?
posted on 6/10/14
Probably cooking the same meal Marco
posted on 6/10/14
Super stuff 2 W. 5 stars from me. I like it very much. My candidate for POTY.
posted on 6/10/14
Very good 2W's
posted on 6/10/14
Probably cooking the same meal Marco
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Don't talk wet Igor, me ma was cooking it for me then, crystal meth for breakfast, free school dinner for lunch and the lasannia for tea A diet that you urban folk in cities would have had to pay good money for in your fancy restronts.
As for the 80's most of my footballing knowledge comes from watching Mickey Forsyth and Geraint Williams Glory Days.
On a serious note though it does seem like us Derby fans are the last defenders of the beauty of the game in these parts. With billions being spent in Leicester and Nottingham for dire football, granted Leicester do try sometimes and hopefully Forest when they decide to buy in players that don't break down can use this as a model for themselves. For now though I think it is ourselves alone flying the flag or in laymans terms...
.....we the realest team on the block.
posted on 6/10/14
Unfortunately they don't give points for artistic impression or style so teams like Forest and Ipswich can continue to play their brand of the not so beautiful game and still be successful. There is nothing in the rules says you can't hoof the ball up front and hope for a mistake by the opposition. It is a legitimate tactic.
What do people do in the international break? I am off looking at property and walking in the mountains of Spain. It's a tough life but someone has to do it. Won't be here to check on your English and spelling so I appoint Oscar as my deputy to maintain standards.
posted on 6/10/14
gr8 fanx spart will doo mi best ...
Got work to do but will argue against your decrepit reductionist logic when I get a few seconds.
posted on 6/10/14
Which mountains, Spart?
posted on 6/10/14
Wellies
posted on 6/10/14
Wellies
posted on 6/10/14
You might not get points for artistic impression from a short term perspective Spart but from a long term perspective you do. It took us five years of dropping points, to now play the way we do with a variety of attacking options from positions all over the pitch and a knowledge of defending against the overload and teams hitting us on the break.
Which is the difference. Forest are maxed out in their current mould, if they are to win the league they will have to change their style of play. Pearce has been reluctant to do this and their creative drive relies on individuals that often break down (Reid, Lansbury and Vaughan) as opposed to us who have a system of play that still works when injuries hit (Martin possibly being the only player that it would be difficult to replace)
Long ball teams can be succesful especially for clubs that don't have the resources of others and I recognise that, but they still have to be creative but Forest don't fit that category they rely solely on pace and power and good set-piece delivery with most of their players cowardly staying behind the ball. The draws they have picked up are no coincidence, it is risk aversion football, which makes them difficult to beat but equally makes it difficult for them to progress or develop any dynamism as a team. Ipswich on the other hand play an agricultural game but did show attacking patterns to their game in open play.
Forest in open play offered nothing apart from strong running on the break and my main gripe was how excited their fans were getting at seeing a player run in a straight line fast.
Pearce can keep Forest in their shell but at some point they're going to have to come out and play, at which point they will be heavily exposed. At the beginning of the season Antonio and Assambalomnga destroyed teams, teams starting with Derby worked them out and dealt with them, their prolific goal scoring dried up. Victories have become draws, had they been trying to adapt their game to providing different attacking threats to support Antonio and A'balonga then they might have lost a few games, might even be lower in the league but would have been developing as a team and laying down foundations for future successes.
Currently, they're stuck in their shell, everyone behind the ball and hope Antonio and Assombalonga's running on the break can get us a set piece. It will get them points, it will make them hard to beat short term, but long term it will not get them promotion or success, they will have to come out of their shells and having hidden in there for too long I fear they'll be torn apart when they do.
There are points for artistic impression, style and creativity it just takes longer than 90 minutes for you to get them. IMHO
Cat and Spart as next door neighbours could be interesting.
posted on 6/10/14
Oh n fanx fore mayking mee depewetee whyle ur fannee-ing rownd in spane.
posted on 6/10/14
I would disagree only about one thing, 2W.
Whereas Derby's came has all the subtle artistic merits of a Turner seascape, Forest's is also a work of art.
A Jackson Pollock.
posted on 6/10/14
*game (although the original may be a Freudian slip, given the orgasmic quality of some of our goals)
posted on 6/10/14
It's a valid point Eddie, maybe I was being a little judgmental and viewing other clubs with Derby glasses on which is always going to kill the orgasm.
Each to their own and all that.
posted on 6/10/14
Obviously a great deal of effort gone into finding all those letters on your keyboard but the stats below suggest you are deluded.
As was said after yr game vs Milwall; Derby manager Steve McClaren: "I thought quite early on that it was going to be a one-nil game but we didn't have the quality to pull it off.
"We lacked quality in the final third, we lacked quality with our final ball, we lacked quality in our finishing"
Derby vs Milwall
Shots D:10 M: 11
On target D: 1 M: 2
Fouls D: 15 M: 12
Forest vs Ipswich
Shots F: 19 Ip: 10
On target F: 5 Ip: 5
Fouls F: 8 Ip: 15
posted on 6/10/14
"W"s
For a man who claims to know nothing of tactics etc, "You might not get points for artistic impression from a short term perspective Spart but from a long term perspective you do. It took us five years of dropping points, to now play the way we do with a variety of attacking options from positions all over the pitch and a knowledge of defending against the overload and teams hitting us on the break." shows a profound knowledge of the game.
One of my 2 teams, now u16s, had a season of losing virtually every game after I took over because I changed the way they played.
Out went the hoofball agricultural style and in came the purists passing/moving game.
Yesterday, in latest game in the top division of our local youth league, the ref came up to me after the game to make a point of telling me that we were "one of the best footballing sides he'd seen for years". This, from one of Wiltshire's most experienced senior refs who refs all standards of football, meant a huge amount to me - far more than the 6th consecutive win or 100% record. Made my post match talk very easy!
Whilst the Rams and my U16s are on a different level, of course, the principle is the same. Playing football the proper way is sustainable with any player capable of playing in a variety of positions; hoofball requires a particular type of player with specific but limited skills.
I know which I prefer
#totalfootball
posted on 6/10/14
the blue team versus the red team:
= footballing mogadon.
posted on 6/10/14
Why do we not have a bite smiley, it's a travesty.........
posted on 6/10/14
Peeder nice to see the art form isn't dying for the 100% run too and a good plug for you being the next Darren Wassall
SteveB what are you trying to say with your stats? I was merely raising the point in my opinion, that your manager has got you lot playing a negative brand of football that is holding you back and that a large percentage of your fans cheer when one of your forwards run with the ball in a straight line getting a shot away that will never score, when in Derby the crowd would probably be shouting where are you going? I raised these points as a matter of concern because it alarms me that this approach to football is still being adopted by highly paid managers.
I'm not sure how shots on target, off target and fouls conceded disproves my viewpoint, but am happy to be educated. I was always tick at maths.
Moj - I actually think Ipswich have improved from last season in terms of passing obviously with the introduction of the fish
posted on 6/10/14
2W - I think Wassall is safe for now.
One of the things I like about McClaren is that he rarely seeks to take any credit himself. And he's right not to. The concept might be his (and Nigels before him) but its the players that have to buy into it. Ours have definitely done this and I thoroughly enjoy watching Derby these days.
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