the thing is you are an overated set of players, you're no better than Scotland and Ireland and its starting to show now
a lot better than scotland, they are utterly sh't
Wilshire, Chambers, Ox, and Sterling all showed that, but they are being stifled by the system and the manager.
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Stifled by the manager or asking to sit out?
"the thing is you are an overated set of players, you're no better than Scotland and Ireland and its starting to show now"
comment by Blarmy - Not DC (U14547) posted 1 minute ago
a lot better than scotland, they are utterly sh't
not really to be honest, if you had a clue about football and put your hatred of Scotland out the way you'd know this
Robben van Persie #20 - Uncut Yo (It's an Anagram) (U1145)
Definitely stifled by the manager, seeing as you arent able to understand that the first time
We played ok, just missed chances.
The usual overreaction when we don't beat a minnow 6-0.
Estonia are far from the worse team in Europe.
Germany lost 2-0 to Poland the day before. Spain lost to Slovakia. Russia drew with Moldova. Bosnia couldn't beat Wales etc etc
Slovenia beat Switzerland too
Who cares it only England, couldn't care less about London fc!
Bring back my only true love, the reds!
comment by Ghodfather Donati #1 (U9390)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy - Not DC (U14547) posted 1 minute ago
a lot better than scotland, they are utterly sh't
not really to be honest, if you had a clue about football and put your hatred of Scotland out the way you'd know this
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im half scottish and the team is stil terrible
righteous1 (U7048)
Poland have made it to World Cups and European Championships, they have a world class centre forward and several players that play in the Champions League.
Talk about missed chances, how many saves did the keeper have to make? I recall one right at the end.
posted 4 minutes ago
Slovenia beat Switzerland too
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Exactly.
Several of the teams who qualified for the World Cup (and some of them did better than us in the tournament) have not started this qualifying campaign well at all.
We have played 3 games, 2 away, won them all, and haven't conceded a goal.
There is really absolutely nothing to moan about with the campaign so far.
Of course it's an easy group so doesnt give us much of a pointer towards playing much better opposition, but how can anyone moan with the start we have made?
I dislike Hodgson as much as any Liverpool fan, but the facts don't lie.
What has Poland's history got to do with anything?
They haven't qualified for anything recently, and we took 4 PTS off them in the last qualifying campaign, in fact we haven't lost against Poland since 1973.
The World Champions getting beat by Poland is a terrible result.
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 24 minutes ago
We played ok, just missed chances.
The usual overreaction when we don't beat a minnow 6-0.
Estonia are far from the worse team in Europe.
Germany lost 2-0 to Poland the day before. Spain lost to Slovakia. Russia drew with Moldova. Bosnia couldn't beat Wales etc etc
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dunno what game you were watching, we played absolute dog5.h1t yesterday. barely registering a shot against 10 man Estonia
grates me how little criticism there was of Woy or that dismal showing
We had 25 shots.
It seems it was you who wasn't watching.
must have missed that second half performance then!
TalksRubbish you it put politely when you said awful I would put another way they where c##p, the only two who tried to make something happen was Wilshire and Lallana, and as for Rooney (father figure) less said the better
England are Wack Daniels...roll on the real footie next week.
We have a poor side I don't know what you expect.
And it's not helped when of our better players refuses to play.
yeah sterling not playing destroys england game plans
relying on a 19 year old
I know there are those that defend him and United fans that watch him every week that will tell me time and again Rooney is a top class player, his career medal haul would also suggest as much. But for me, yet again, he was absolutely terrible yesterday and one of the worst performers on the pitch for England.
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No, he wasn't one of the worst performers, his finishing was poor though.
Overall, the performance of the team was reasonable, better finishing from Rooney, or indeed if any other of the attackers had shown a bit of impetus and tried to attempt and attack the opposition goal, we might have finished comfortable 3/4/5-0 winners.
Rooney seemed the only player interested in scoring yesterday.
Welbeck ran around a lot, but never seemed to want to get close enough to the opposition goal. Similarly Lallana.
Plus the other 3 midfielders have hardly got goals galore in them. Indeed, of the midfielders to play last night, only Oxtail has found the net (just 3 in 17, hardly prolific). Between the rest of the midfielders 0 goals in 62 games! And none have shown any inclination to change that.
There's only Rooney (perhaps you could maybe slightly argue Welbeck) that has any sort of scoring pedigree for England. Criticise him all you want, but he's the best we have.
Fair post Barf.
I would argue Sturridge is now at that level, but he is yet to prove it across a qualifying campaign.
The lack of goals through the team always makes me amazed that Crouch doesn't ever get a look in. 1 in 2 scoring rate at International level in 40 odd caps.
You can almost ignore his club performance, the fact is he performs for England.
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posted on 13/10/14
the thing is you are an overated set of players, you're no better than Scotland and Ireland and its starting to show now
posted on 13/10/14
a lot better than scotland, they are utterly sh't
posted on 13/10/14
Wilshire, Chambers, Ox, and Sterling all showed that, but they are being stifled by the system and the manager.
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Stifled by the manager or asking to sit out?
posted on 13/10/14
"the thing is you are an overated set of players, you're no better than Scotland and Ireland and its starting to show now"
posted on 13/10/14
comment by Blarmy - Not DC (U14547) posted 1 minute ago
a lot better than scotland, they are utterly sh't
not really to be honest, if you had a clue about football and put your hatred of Scotland out the way you'd know this
posted on 13/10/14
Robben van Persie #20 - Uncut Yo (It's an Anagram) (U1145)
Definitely stifled by the manager, seeing as you arent able to understand that the first time
posted on 13/10/14
We played ok, just missed chances.
The usual overreaction when we don't beat a minnow 6-0.
Estonia are far from the worse team in Europe.
Germany lost 2-0 to Poland the day before. Spain lost to Slovakia. Russia drew with Moldova. Bosnia couldn't beat Wales etc etc
posted on 13/10/14
Slovenia beat Switzerland too
posted on 13/10/14
Who cares it only England, couldn't care less about London fc!
Bring back my only true love, the reds!
posted on 13/10/14
comment by Ghodfather Donati #1 (U9390)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy - Not DC (U14547) posted 1 minute ago
a lot better than scotland, they are utterly sh't
not really to be honest, if you had a clue about football and put your hatred of Scotland out the way you'd know this
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im half scottish and the team is stil terrible
posted on 13/10/14
righteous1 (U7048)
Poland have made it to World Cups and European Championships, they have a world class centre forward and several players that play in the Champions League.
Talk about missed chances, how many saves did the keeper have to make? I recall one right at the end.
posted on 13/10/14
posted 4 minutes ago
Slovenia beat Switzerland too
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Exactly.
Several of the teams who qualified for the World Cup (and some of them did better than us in the tournament) have not started this qualifying campaign well at all.
We have played 3 games, 2 away, won them all, and haven't conceded a goal.
There is really absolutely nothing to moan about with the campaign so far.
Of course it's an easy group so doesnt give us much of a pointer towards playing much better opposition, but how can anyone moan with the start we have made?
I dislike Hodgson as much as any Liverpool fan, but the facts don't lie.
posted on 13/10/14
What has Poland's history got to do with anything?
They haven't qualified for anything recently, and we took 4 PTS off them in the last qualifying campaign, in fact we haven't lost against Poland since 1973.
The World Champions getting beat by Poland is a terrible result.
posted on 13/10/14
we'll see next month
posted on 13/10/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 24 minutes ago
We played ok, just missed chances.
The usual overreaction when we don't beat a minnow 6-0.
Estonia are far from the worse team in Europe.
Germany lost 2-0 to Poland the day before. Spain lost to Slovakia. Russia drew with Moldova. Bosnia couldn't beat Wales etc etc
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dunno what game you were watching, we played absolute dog5.h1t yesterday. barely registering a shot against 10 man Estonia
grates me how little criticism there was of Woy or that dismal showing
posted on 13/10/14
We had 25 shots.
It seems it was you who wasn't watching.
posted on 13/10/14
must have missed that second half performance then!
posted on 13/10/14
TalksRubbish you it put politely when you said awful I would put another way they where c##p, the only two who tried to make something happen was Wilshire and Lallana, and as for Rooney (father figure) less said the better
posted on 13/10/14
England are Wack Daniels...roll on the real footie next week.
posted on 13/10/14
Yes.
posted on 13/10/14
We have a poor side I don't know what you expect.
And it's not helped when of our better players refuses to play.
posted on 13/10/14
yeah sterling not playing destroys england game plans
relying on a 19 year old
posted on 13/10/14
I know there are those that defend him and United fans that watch him every week that will tell me time and again Rooney is a top class player, his career medal haul would also suggest as much. But for me, yet again, he was absolutely terrible yesterday and one of the worst performers on the pitch for England.
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No, he wasn't one of the worst performers, his finishing was poor though.
Overall, the performance of the team was reasonable, better finishing from Rooney, or indeed if any other of the attackers had shown a bit of impetus and tried to attempt and attack the opposition goal, we might have finished comfortable 3/4/5-0 winners.
Rooney seemed the only player interested in scoring yesterday.
Welbeck ran around a lot, but never seemed to want to get close enough to the opposition goal. Similarly Lallana.
Plus the other 3 midfielders have hardly got goals galore in them. Indeed, of the midfielders to play last night, only Oxtail has found the net (just 3 in 17, hardly prolific). Between the rest of the midfielders 0 goals in 62 games! And none have shown any inclination to change that.
There's only Rooney (perhaps you could maybe slightly argue Welbeck) that has any sort of scoring pedigree for England. Criticise him all you want, but he's the best we have.
posted on 13/10/14
Fair post Barf.
I would argue Sturridge is now at that level, but he is yet to prove it across a qualifying campaign.
The lack of goals through the team always makes me amazed that Crouch doesn't ever get a look in. 1 in 2 scoring rate at International level in 40 odd caps.
You can almost ignore his club performance, the fact is he performs for England.
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