comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
Wikipedia

I would not use the word authority though, stupidity aligns well with your f1 views.
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yeh we have all seen what you know before 2007

At least I know Monaco is not low downforce. I've told you my knowledge is only from 2014

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 20 minutes ago
At least I know Monaco is not low downforce. I've told you my knowledge is only from 2014
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yeh we also know that you think rosberg aimed his wing at hamiltons tire at spa

Rosberg confirmed that himself

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rosberg confirmed that himself
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oh yeh i remember manx -

rosberg said he purposely aimed his very delicate front wing at hamiltons big hard tyre knowing he was going to risk losing all or some of his wing -

got any more little gems like that one manx ----

 The delicate front wing burst the big hard tyre though!

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 47 minutes ago
 The delicate front wing burst the big hard tyre though!
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get away --- did it

And how many times the last couple of years have we seen wings getting broken and Improving performance. He took a calculated risk (he admitted he left the car there instead of backing out) and for him it paid off.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 13 minutes ago
And how many times the last couple of years have we seen wings getting broken and Improving performance. He took a calculated risk (he admitted he left the car there instead of backing out) and for him it paid off.
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whatever he did he didnt purposely aim his front wing at hamiltons tyre , and a car with part a wing missing improves performance
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I didn't say he did, did I? And whilst by all rights it shouldn't improve performance haven't you watched any F1 the last two seasons? There have been numerous occasions when a driver has lost part of hus wing, and his times have improved.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
I didn't say he did, did I? And whilst by all rights it shouldn't improve performance haven't you watched any F1 the last two seasons? There have been numerous occasions when a driver has lost part of hus wing, and his times have improved.
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load of rubbish --- F1 employs some of the most intelligent designers on the planet who are highly capable of utilizing probably the most sophisticated wind tunnels on the planet to gain micro seconds of pace on the track -
------------- if a piece of wing , endplate , or whatever was not needed and did not add performance to the car it would not be on the car in the first place --

comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
I didn't say he did, did I? And whilst by all rights it shouldn't improve performance haven't you watched any F1 the last two seasons? There have been numerous occasions when a driver has lost part of hus wing, and his times have improved.
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load of rubbish --- F1 employs some of the most intelligent designers on the planet who are highly capable of utilizing probably the most sophisticated wind tunnels on the planet to gain micro seconds of pace on the track -
------------- if a piece of wing , endplate , or whatever was not needed and did not add performance to the car it would not be on the car in the first place --
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So are you suggesting that everything put on the car adds performance?

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
I didn't say he did, did I? And whilst by all rights it shouldn't improve performance haven't you watched any F1 the last two seasons? There have been numerous occasions when a driver has lost part of hus wing, and his times have improved.
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load of rubbish --- F1 employs some of the most intelligent designers on the planet who are highly capable of utilizing probably the most sophisticated wind tunnels on the planet to gain micro seconds of pace on the track -
------------- if a piece of wing , endplate , or whatever was not needed and did not add performance to the car it would not be on the car in the first place --
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So are you suggesting that everything put on the car adds performance?
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that is the normal function of everything that relates to F1 unless i have been watching something else for the last zillion yrs --

Sometimes, things are taken off the car you know. Ferrari in particular have added and removed multiple things for years.

Not sure if they are receiving good feedback

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 14 minutes ago
Sometimes, things are taken off the car you know. Ferrari in particular have added and removed multiple things for years.

Not sure if they are receiving good feedback
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yeh you could be correct manx , the last 3 ferrari drivers with 3 WDC and 40 years combined experience of driving and testing F1 machines between them probably are incapable of giving " good feedback "

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have been numerous occasions when a driver has lost part of his wing, and his times have improved.
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load of rubbish --- 
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MA, yet again you failed to read what I said.
Have you ACTUALLY watched any races this season?
I'm beginning to wonder.
Let me say it again. On a FEW occassions, not all, when a piece of the wing has been lost, the drivers laptimes HAVE improved. I am only stating FACT. Like you I am no aerodynamicist, and in your airey fairy use of the language, I don't begin to understand the NUANCES of why this happens. However look back through this years races. Tell me it DIDN'T happen.
So back to the point I was trying to make before you changed the argument. Rosberg took a risk by leaving his car where he did, (and he admitted he made the decision to do so), knowing that he may sustain a bit of damage. If the damage was light he may get away with it without any significant loss and possible slight improvement in times. If it was major, he possibly incorrectly thought Hamilton may get a drive through for causing an accident. That wouldn't have happened as Hamilton didn't do anything wrong.
As it happened Hamilton sustained a burst tyre early in the lap, meaning he fell to back of the pack just returning to the pit and also suffered further damage due to the flailing carcass of the tyre.
I have NEVER said Rosberg aimed his fragile wing at Hamilton's big hard tyre. If you think I did, find where I said it and provide the link. Otherwise it proves yet again you don't read what people write.

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 10 minutes ago
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have been numerous occasions when a driver has lost part of his wing, and his times have improved.
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load of rubbish --- 
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MA, yet again you failed to read what I said.
Have you ACTUALLY watched any races this season?
I'm beginning to wonder.
Let me say it again. On a FEW occassions, not all, when a piece of the wing has been lost, the drivers laptimes HAVE improved. I am only stating FACT. Like you I am no aerodynamicist, and in your airey fairy use of the language, I don't begin to understand the NUANCES of why this happens. However look back through this years races. Tell me it DIDN'T happen.
So back to the point I was trying to make before you changed the argument. Rosberg took a risk by leaving his car where he did, (and he admitted he made the decision to do so), knowing that he may sustain a bit of damage. If the damage was light he may get away with it without any significant loss and possible slight improvement in times. If it was major, he possibly incorrectly thought Hamilton may get a drive through for causing an accident. That wouldn't have happened as Hamilton didn't do anything wrong.
As it happened Hamilton sustained a burst tyre early in the lap, meaning he fell to back of the pack just returning to the pit and also suffered further damage due to the flailing carcass of the tyre.
I have NEVER said Rosberg aimed his fragile wing at Hamilton's big hard tyre. If you think I did, find where I said it and provide the link. Otherwise it proves yet again you don't read what people write.
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sorry i dont agree and i think you are overlooking the very obvious point that every piece of wing , endplate , whatever , is put on the car to add to the performance and the downforce of the car and if a car does lose a piece of wing any slight , very brief increase in lap time is only ever going to be tyre related or fuel burning off -

as for rosberg ---------- complete rubbish , no driver purposely wants to lose a chunk of wing or goes into a maneuver thinking he may lose a piece or the whole wing for fear his race is then over -
-------- is was merely a racing accident with one driver at fault more than the other , we have seen it many times before and will see it many times more times in the future -

Wonder why Mercedes punished him with a fine. Perhaps you are more knowledgeable than Lauda and Wolf.

The steward even suggested if they had access to the teams discussion they would have punished him too.

It was not a racing incident but a deliberate attempt to cause an accident and he should have beeen black flagged or banned from a race

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wonder why Mercedes punished him with a fine. Perhaps you are more knowledgeable than Lauda and Wolf.

The steward even suggested if they had access to the teams discussion they would have punished him too.

It was not a racing incident but a deliberate attempt to cause an accident and he should have beeen black flagged or banned from a race
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merc supposedly and i say supposedely punished him because no team wants to lose a race because of silly mistakes that takes out both drivers -

and you really still believe it was not a normal racing accident that we have all seen a zillion times and rosberg deliberately aimed his delicate front wing at hamiltons big hard tyre knowing he would lose part or all of that wing ?

It was a deliberate accident, Rosberg himself admitted it. Do you disagree with Rosberg?

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 49 seconds ago
It was a deliberate accident, Rosberg himself admitted it. Do you disagree with Rosberg?
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now i know you are having a jolly jape with me manx -

is it april the 1rst up there in manx land ?

What issue do you have a problem with? Are you suggesting Rosberg did not admit to it?

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
What issue do you have a problem with? Are you suggesting Rosberg did not admit to it?
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yeh ok manx -- rosberg admitted to aiming his fragile little wing at hamiltons big round rubbery thing -

fluck me -- what do you lot have for breakfast up there in manx land , whatever it is put a little water with it

I see, you want us to start this cycle all over again where people post facts and you post nonsense. Well martial, I will not be doing that anymore, told you yesterday.

There are people on this forum who want to genuinely engage in debate and continuing to indulge you puts them off, so that's me done.

Goodbye