RVP was more brighter against Chelsea, probably the brightest performance of the season for him. Think he deserves to start. Also didn't we play the diamond against chelsea?
We didn't play diamond against Chelsea. We had real width in that match. Januzaj and Di Maria were constantly hugging the touch lines. Januzaj more so however.
If we play diamond on sunday we'll lose by at least 2 goals. It's just not defensive enough and will give a superior team (currently) far too much space.
I see us getting beaten again on Sunday. Doesn't matter how we line up. Sorry
Didn't West Ham play a diamond against City and beat them?
i fear for us with a diamond at the weekend.... too narrow in midfield.
Moyes tried playing a narrow midfield at OT to crowd out Yaya etc... we got murdered down the wings and game over in the first 10 minutes.
Obviously RVP is an option, this is more about the shape. I think Fellaini will play but we might look for a bit more in the middle as Blind looked isolated at times
One thing is for sure, we need to get Di Maria on the ball further up the pitch this weekend. Last weekend he had nowhere to go and was forced into crosses from the middle third
Don't think what Moyes did has any relevance. He could employ the perfect tactical approach and still not get a win away from home against a top side.
I get that, Wonder Man, but RVP will start. I'd be inclined not to as he's slow and has a tendency to miss big chances in big games.
BB, I think Di Maria will have a lot more space to work in behind than against Chelsea due to City's high line.
Same team as last week. Bring on Rooney from the bench if needed
Rooney tends to lose fitness a bit when he isn't playing games and mata had a solid game last week anyway
If Wazza is actually at 100% though, then fine, play him
Play Di Maria down the right and let him have a go at the LB, be it Kolarov or Cliche. Can't see either coping if Di Maria is on it
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 18 minutes ago
i fear for us with a diamond at the weekend.... too narrow in midfield
..................
It depends on the set up.
The diamond formation doesn't have to be narrow surely?
Basically you can have a DM LW RW AM and it is still a diamond.
Not my line up by the way, but;
.......................Fellaini.................................
ADM.......................................... Januzaj
...........................Blind........................
This was our bench against Chelsea:
Lindegaard
Carrick
Herrera
Fletcher
Blackett
Pereira
Wilson
Whether they're fit to start or not having Falcao and Rooney back, as well as Carrick and Herrera nearer to full fitness, gives us much better options off the bench.
Rooney tends to lose fitness a bit when he isn't playing games and mata had a solid game last week anyway
.................
Macca
He did play two in a week for England during his ban, and he has been able to train because he wasn't injured.
And City would walk straight through that midfield, VC.
That's why teams usually play three central midfielders and an attacking midfielder when using a diamond.
The advantage with Di Maria, however, is that he's comfortable playing centrally and moving out wide so he has dual purpose.
Who's this Attacking Defensive Midfielder you keep going on about?
If di Maria stays wide in a dimaond, it could work ok.
------------Blind---------------
---Herrera------------Di Maria
-----------Fellaini----------------
Herrera plaing inside right, but helping rafael when needed.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
And City would walk straight through that midfield, VC.
................
Which is why I put a disclaimer before it.
.................
That's why teams usually play three central midfielders and an attacking midfielder when using a diamond.
.................
I wouldn't call that a diamond.
Not really diamond shaped is it.
...................am...............
.......cm.......cm........cm
Who's this Attacking Defensive Midfielder you keep going on about?
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Has to be Fellaini doesn't it?
Don't play silly buggers, VC.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rooney tends to lose fitness a bit when he isn't playing games and mata had a solid game last week anyway
.................
Macca
He did play two in a week for England during his ban, and he has been able to train because he wasn't injured.
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True VC
Hopefully he will be fine
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don't play silly buggers, VC.
............
Dazza,
I am not playing silly buggers.
The whole point of a diamond formation is that it is shaped like a diamond.
The clue here is in the name.
Now, this is still a diamond formation.
.....................am.....................
......cm.........cm............cm.......
.....................dm..................
One of the cm's naturally drops deeper in the formation. Doesn't have to be a dm if you want to be pedantic about playing three cm's anyway, Pirlo is a central midfielder that drops deep when Italy play a diamond formation.
Point being, wingers aren't often used in the formation, certainly not two.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 18 minutes ago
i fear for us with a diamond at the weekend.... too narrow in midfield
..................
It depends on the set up.
The diamond formation doesn't have to be narrow surely?
Basically you can have a DM LW RW AM and it is still a diamond.
Not my line up by the way, but;
.......................Fellaini.................................
ADM.......................................... Januzaj
...........................Blind........................
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my problem with the 'wide' diamond as such is it leaves us exposed in CM against Yaya (who will undoubtedly up his game) and co.
for me its a 4-5-1 (using the diamond formation you put in your reply to DTKF above with an extra man in the middle) or a 4-4-1-1 with Carrick & Blind holding and the wide players providing the attacking support
even playing those formations i'd rather have Rooney or Falcao up top than RVP if we go with a lone striker
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posted on 30/10/14
RVP will start.
posted on 30/10/14
RVP will play
posted on 30/10/14
RVP was more brighter against Chelsea, probably the brightest performance of the season for him. Think he deserves to start. Also didn't we play the diamond against chelsea?
posted on 30/10/14
We didn't play diamond against Chelsea. We had real width in that match. Januzaj and Di Maria were constantly hugging the touch lines. Januzaj more so however.
If we play diamond on sunday we'll lose by at least 2 goals. It's just not defensive enough and will give a superior team (currently) far too much space.
posted on 30/10/14
I see us getting beaten again on Sunday. Doesn't matter how we line up. Sorry
posted on 30/10/14
Didn't West Ham play a diamond against City and beat them?
posted on 30/10/14
i fear for us with a diamond at the weekend.... too narrow in midfield.
Moyes tried playing a narrow midfield at OT to crowd out Yaya etc... we got murdered down the wings and game over in the first 10 minutes.
posted on 30/10/14
Obviously RVP is an option, this is more about the shape. I think Fellaini will play but we might look for a bit more in the middle as Blind looked isolated at times
posted on 30/10/14
One thing is for sure, we need to get Di Maria on the ball further up the pitch this weekend. Last weekend he had nowhere to go and was forced into crosses from the middle third
posted on 30/10/14
Don't think what Moyes did has any relevance. He could employ the perfect tactical approach and still not get a win away from home against a top side.
I get that, Wonder Man, but RVP will start. I'd be inclined not to as he's slow and has a tendency to miss big chances in big games.
BB, I think Di Maria will have a lot more space to work in behind than against Chelsea due to City's high line.
posted on 30/10/14
Same team as last week. Bring on Rooney from the bench if needed
Rooney tends to lose fitness a bit when he isn't playing games and mata had a solid game last week anyway
If Wazza is actually at 100% though, then fine, play him
Play Di Maria down the right and let him have a go at the LB, be it Kolarov or Cliche. Can't see either coping if Di Maria is on it
posted on 30/10/14
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 18 minutes ago
i fear for us with a diamond at the weekend.... too narrow in midfield
..................
It depends on the set up.
The diamond formation doesn't have to be narrow surely?
Basically you can have a DM LW RW AM and it is still a diamond.
Not my line up by the way, but;
.......................Fellaini.................................
ADM.......................................... Januzaj
...........................Blind........................
posted on 30/10/14
This was our bench against Chelsea:
Lindegaard
Carrick
Herrera
Fletcher
Blackett
Pereira
Wilson
Whether they're fit to start or not having Falcao and Rooney back, as well as Carrick and Herrera nearer to full fitness, gives us much better options off the bench.
posted on 30/10/14
Rooney tends to lose fitness a bit when he isn't playing games and mata had a solid game last week anyway
.................
Macca
He did play two in a week for England during his ban, and he has been able to train because he wasn't injured.
posted on 30/10/14
Word play with titles eh
posted on 30/10/14
And City would walk straight through that midfield, VC.
That's why teams usually play three central midfielders and an attacking midfielder when using a diamond.
The advantage with Di Maria, however, is that he's comfortable playing centrally and moving out wide so he has dual purpose.
posted on 30/10/14
Who's this Attacking Defensive Midfielder you keep going on about?
posted on 30/10/14
If di Maria stays wide in a dimaond, it could work ok.
------------Blind---------------
---Herrera------------Di Maria
-----------Fellaini----------------
Herrera plaing inside right, but helping rafael when needed.
posted on 30/10/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
And City would walk straight through that midfield, VC.
................
Which is why I put a disclaimer before it.
.................
That's why teams usually play three central midfielders and an attacking midfielder when using a diamond.
.................
I wouldn't call that a diamond.
Not really diamond shaped is it.
...................am...............
.......cm.......cm........cm
posted on 30/10/14
Who's this Attacking Defensive Midfielder you keep going on about?
-------
Has to be Fellaini doesn't it?
posted on 30/10/14
Don't play silly buggers, VC.
posted on 30/10/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rooney tends to lose fitness a bit when he isn't playing games and mata had a solid game last week anyway
.................
Macca
He did play two in a week for England during his ban, and he has been able to train because he wasn't injured.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True VC
Hopefully he will be fine
posted on 30/10/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don't play silly buggers, VC.
............
Dazza,
I am not playing silly buggers.
The whole point of a diamond formation is that it is shaped like a diamond.
The clue here is in the name.
Now, this is still a diamond formation.
.....................am.....................
......cm.........cm............cm.......
.....................dm..................
posted on 30/10/14
One of the cm's naturally drops deeper in the formation. Doesn't have to be a dm if you want to be pedantic about playing three cm's anyway, Pirlo is a central midfielder that drops deep when Italy play a diamond formation.
Point being, wingers aren't often used in the formation, certainly not two.
posted on 30/10/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 18 minutes ago
i fear for us with a diamond at the weekend.... too narrow in midfield
..................
It depends on the set up.
The diamond formation doesn't have to be narrow surely?
Basically you can have a DM LW RW AM and it is still a diamond.
Not my line up by the way, but;
.......................Fellaini.................................
ADM.......................................... Januzaj
...........................Blind........................
----------------------------------------------------------------------
my problem with the 'wide' diamond as such is it leaves us exposed in CM against Yaya (who will undoubtedly up his game) and co.
for me its a 4-5-1 (using the diamond formation you put in your reply to DTKF above with an extra man in the middle) or a 4-4-1-1 with Carrick & Blind holding and the wide players providing the attacking support
even playing those formations i'd rather have Rooney or Falcao up top than RVP if we go with a lone striker
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