What actions?

I am pretty sure I know my own mind better than you do.

I still comfortably and happily disagree with you.

The actions of you writing what you are.

So you deny it, despite the evidence pointing 100% in the opposite direction, and that's that, is it?

Do me a favour.

As we have seen, you'll deny anything and continue on indefinitely.

So the idea I'll take your word for what you care about is, quite frankly, laughable.

Winston you need to get out on the streets of Jakarta and see what people really think. The vast majority see it for what it is, a pathetic attempt to make his team seem better than it is and a smoke screen to con the weak willed in to thinking this is better than Moyes but it isn't.

We can all be glad that you've taken the time to obtain such a large sample, and that you've ensured team bias has been taken into account.

As I have said before, I don't care what you think of me, or if you believe me.

But should you suggest I think otherwise I will restate my position, every time.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Redinthehead - it's all written neatly on this thread for you.

Go find it, and report back when you've understood.

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Would've taken you less time to write what you think LVG said than to answer in that manner.

gotta wonder if you remember what you said in the first place.

Winston - "Have you considered that LVG was just using Chelsea as a marker, to say that apart from one game, he feels the defence has been better than it's been given credit for?

Perhaps (and most likely) LVG didn't say it as part of a competition with Chelsea?"

Actually Winston, you've not said anything at all as to what you think he meant.

You've just put into question what could have been meant.

Time for you to come off the fence.

What do you think LVG meant?

JFDI (U1657)

Yes, you keep telling me you don't care.

Over and over again.

We can all draw our own conclusions from that.

I have to, I wouldn't want you thinking I changed my mind.

Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)

I have said what he meant.

The fact that you've trawled through this article and still can't find my points is particularly embarrassing.

I have quite clearly stated, as have others, that LVG was responding to criticism of his defence. He was making the point that, one game aside, his defence have been pretty good.

It's nothing to do with hiding one game, or competing with Chelsea.

You, and others, took his point totally out of context, got all excited and then ended up making prats of yourselves.

this thread is still going ?!

JFDI (U1657)

It's quite clear that you won't change your mind - no matter how much logic is thrown at you.

Don't worry though, you're in good company. Most people on this site find it impossible to ever admit they made a mistake.

I am amazed you know everyone so well. Personally when I make a mistake I own up to it as I did with SAF earlier.

On this instance our opinions differ and much as you would like to believe mistakes jhave been made as I have maintained from the start we merely see it differently.

You just cannot seem to accept other peoples views and by that I mean that other people are entitled to their views unless they are yours, the world doesn;t work like that.

So your insults, your abuse, your reasoning, your accusations they are all wasted.

JFDI (U1657)

Stop trying to hide behind an opinion.

If I said in my opinion the world is flat, could I repeat what you've just said?

Get real.

As we have seen, your 'opinion' is that you can ridicule LVG for something he said that was logical and made perfect sense.

You can't, and you're wrong.

Keep insisting otherwise - you'll still be wrong by the end of it.

Not hiding behind it. It is all this discussion is about.

No matter how much you deny it, my opinion is as valid as yours.

Yours is no more valid than mine or the many others that found what he said amusing.

JFDI (U1657)

No, it's not.

It's not an opinion - it's an incorrect statement. What you're debating isn't subjective, so you're not airing an opinion.

You are airing an ignorant, nonsensical statement.

You even agreed that was the case, but tried to make out this is a special circumstance!

You are truly pathetic.

Of course it is subjective.

JFDI (U1657)

No, it isn't.

I agree that the original interpretation - and the reason for this thread - would be something subjective.

But as we've established, there was an alternative (and far more likely) meaning, which was logical and made perfect sense.

That is why you're incorrect.

You yourself say in your last posts there are alternative meanings, and I agree with you on that, this makes it subjective.

Alternatives have been discussed earlier in the thread and mostly by others, you have failed to accept any of them, your prerogative but it doesn't make you right.

JFDI (U1657)

You're missing the point.

If one meaning is logical, then the statement can't be ridiculed for being illogical.

I'm not saying that my interpretation of the comments is correct. I'm saying that you're wrong to ridicule something when you don't know what the meaning was, and that one possible meaning (and the most likely, clearly) is logical.

Let me know when you catch up.

If there are alternatives then you cannot be wrong for being subjective either.

JFDI (U1657)

Yes you can.

Because by ridiculing him, it's who is dismissing the alternatives.

Waiting for the penny to drop...

Winston, in choosing to look at alternatives I am only doing what LVG did so if that opens me up to ridicule to you, so be it. I can live with that, It makes a change to feel ridicule from a minority.

I will still be comfortable and happy with my view.

Now you have accused me of being anti man u for my stance, of which you will find no evidence, you accused me of being angry despite the fact that you started chucking insults and I have remained civil. You seem to expect me to change my mind and I haven't.

All this you get wrong yet still you would have me believe you are right. You only strengthen my conviction.

JFDI (U1657)

You've just written a load of waffle that detracts from the facts.

You ridiculed LVG for saying something that was perfectly logical.

In doing so, you were wrong.

By all means, keep finding new ways of denying it. It just makes you look more stupid and/or stubborn by the minute.

Waffle, it's all on this thread.

I can understand your frustration though I can't understand why you feel the need to try and convince everyone to see things your way.

Or maybe that's just the way you are.