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Bad comparison, because when it comes to Drogba it is all about what he did in the big games for Chelsea rather than the number of goals he scored.
Did Greaves make a habit of scoring winning goals in finals for Chelsea? No!
Did Drogba score as many goals for Chelsea as Greaves? No!
Simply no comparison1
palmers_spur
The modern players are not a patch on the oldies if the truth be told.
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It's not the truth it's your opinion. My opinion is that there were so many more goals back then because the defences and keepers were so bad.
So how do you account for the fact that teams are winning away 7-0 in the CL these days if the defences are so good.
Yeh the goalies were really bad, Pat Jennings, Gordon Banks, Peter Shilton, three of the greatest British goalies ever, if not the three greatest.
Those teams who win 7-0 are freak results with players like messi on the attacking side. Matches in the 60s and 70s routinely had 5-2 and 6-3 score lines
Sure those keepers you listed are great but they are the exception to the rule. Most footage I see of goals from yesteryear shows the keeper bizarrely diving forwards instead of sideways, and defenders bring totally out of position
SWTN Biggish
Bad comparison, because when it comes to Drogba it is all about what he did in the big games for Chelsea rather than the number of goals he scored.
Did Greaves make a habit of scoring winning goals in finals for Chelsea? No!
Yours is also a silly comparison, Greaves never played in any finals for Chelsea, they were useless back then. But he still scored all of those goals in a very poor team. I would like to see how many Drogba would score in that team. He is lucky to play in a era where the top players are all playing for half a dozen teams around Europe that have all the money.
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Sure those keepers you listed are great but they are the exception to the rule.
No they are not, I have not even mentioned over great goalies like Bill Brown, Ted Ditchburn, Ron Springett, Jack Kelsey, Tony Macedo, etc.
palmers_spur
It's not the truth it's your opinion. My opinion is that there were so many more goals back then because the defences and keepers were so bad.
Oh I wondered why George Best was so good, it was because of bad defences. FFS not that old chestnut again. Sorry mate, you aint going to convince me that the modern game is better or had better players than back in the 60s.
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posted 5 minutes ago
palmers_spur
It's not the truth it's your opinion. My opinion is that there were so many more goals back then because the defences and keepers were so bad.
Oh I wondered why George Best was so good, it was because of bad defences. FFS not that old chestnut again. Sorry mate, you aint going to convince me that the modern game is better or had better players than back in the 60s.
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Yes sandy and you won't convince me of the opposite.
Two completely different eras. Let's leave it there
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palmers_spur
Fair enough.
Sheriff, you are not wanted on this article, you were taken to task last night on the Mancester United board for insulting one of their greatest ever players George Best with your inane rubbish. And now you ae trying to insult the greatest ever British goalscorer. You have a serious problem.
Drogba scores big goals, on the biggest stage, in tight games we've won 1-0 and he loves a final.
Chelsea's greatest ever player - Lampard
Sandy your best ever player was a Chelsea boy. I remember an interview when he said his best performances were before he went to Milan and he felt no affiliation to Spurs at all.
So suck on that you sherbert lemon!
I've seen videos of football in the 60's and it is boring as hell.
In any era of football Greaves would have scored goals he was simply superb. Has he have been bought up in the modern era on the great pitches we have now with lighter footballs and boots plus a big dose of refereeing protection he would have been even better.
Thats not taking away from the modern day player because every generation produces fantastic footballers Messi, Ronaldo, Bale etc. but to believe Greaves would not have been up there with the best of them just shows how stupid some people are.
Look at his international record for a start 44 goals in 57 games makes Rooneys 46 in a 101 games look a bit poor really.
Particularly then as players might take 4 days to get to an away international game wheras now its first class all the way for our modern superstars.
I know most of you believe football was invented in about 1990 but trust me it was not and any of the top players of years ago would be top players now for sure
How many of Greaves goals came in finals to win trophies?
Exactly.
comment by sandy`s dad (U20025)
posted 6 hours, 3 minutes ago
White Wall
Different times Sandy,
I think even the keepers played up front in those days, score like 7-5 and 6-3 were common place every week.
Hardly changed really, you get 5-0 or 7-0 away wins in the modern CL, which you never got in the old European Cup. It doesn`t matter the era, Greaves was out on his own as the greatest ever British goalscorer. In fact for career league goals around Europe I think he is still Number One, one goal in front of Gerd Muller, and a long way in front of both Ronaldo and Messi. So their is a case for making him Europe`s greatest ever goalscorer.
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'you get 5-0 or 7-0 away wins in the modern CL, which you never got in the old European Cup'
Like Spurs beating Keflavík ÍF 9-0 & 6-1 in 72.
Or 0-6 vs Drogheda United FC in 83.
Or Utd beating Anderlecht 10-0 in 56?
How many of Greaves goals came in finals to win trophies?
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How many teams did he play in that were cherry picked by multi billionaires ensuring his team had all the best players?
Exactly
Despite a recurring odd desire to compare new players to old, I think the very best would shine in most era's. Yet the reason they shined in that specific era is because they are perfectly suited to the game.
For example Bobby Charlton may struggle with the fitness/conditioning and 'tactical' side of the modern game, but no-one could hit a heavy leather ball with such consistent accuracy on such a swampy pitch while dodging leg-breaking tackles. Which is why he was the best then.
I think the very best would shine in most era's
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Exactly because they would have been bought up in that era therefore their training would be the same as everybodies elses.
Talent is talent and a great footballer would be exactly that no matter what era he played in
firstly I've rated this piece of 5 hite 1 star.
Secondly i really do not get the need for the north London low lives to be publishing attention seeking rubbish on our board.
Finally, the two players are chalk and cheese, Greaves was an incredible footballer, into todays game like a bit of a suarez , where as the Drog is more of a Zidane as a vague comparison two very different players.
Also sandy you pillock, Drogba was / is not just about goals, his hold up play is second to none, his defensive game is something which Greaves never did , not knocking Jimmy but the two players are different.
+++ his assist rate !
Say My Name
How many of Greaves goals came in finals to win trophies?
Well for a start Drogba would not have had many either if he had been playing in any of the Chelsea side`s of the first 80 years of their history.
Only with the money has come the final appearances, and the winning goals, without the money Drogba would not have been anywhere near Chelsea for a start.
And before you say, ah but we won a few trophies in the 90s before Abramovich, yes you did, but with money you borrowed to buy success and had no chance of ever paying it back, and were about to get bust with the Russian intervention.
PS Greaves only played in three finals, and scored in two of them, so his percentage of goals to finals played is still better than Drogba`s.
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posted on 27/11/14
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posted on 27/11/14
Bad comparison, because when it comes to Drogba it is all about what he did in the big games for Chelsea rather than the number of goals he scored.
Did Greaves make a habit of scoring winning goals in finals for Chelsea? No!
Did Drogba score as many goals for Chelsea as Greaves? No!
Simply no comparison1
posted on 27/11/14
palmers_spur
The modern players are not a patch on the oldies if the truth be told.
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It's not the truth it's your opinion. My opinion is that there were so many more goals back then because the defences and keepers were so bad.
So how do you account for the fact that teams are winning away 7-0 in the CL these days if the defences are so good.
Yeh the goalies were really bad, Pat Jennings, Gordon Banks, Peter Shilton, three of the greatest British goalies ever, if not the three greatest.
posted on 27/11/14
Those teams who win 7-0 are freak results with players like messi on the attacking side. Matches in the 60s and 70s routinely had 5-2 and 6-3 score lines
Sure those keepers you listed are great but they are the exception to the rule. Most footage I see of goals from yesteryear shows the keeper bizarrely diving forwards instead of sideways, and defenders bring totally out of position
posted on 27/11/14
SWTN Biggish
Bad comparison, because when it comes to Drogba it is all about what he did in the big games for Chelsea rather than the number of goals he scored.
Did Greaves make a habit of scoring winning goals in finals for Chelsea? No!
Yours is also a silly comparison, Greaves never played in any finals for Chelsea, they were useless back then. But he still scored all of those goals in a very poor team. I would like to see how many Drogba would score in that team. He is lucky to play in a era where the top players are all playing for half a dozen teams around Europe that have all the money.
posted on 27/11/14
by palmers_spur
Sure those keepers you listed are great but they are the exception to the rule.
No they are not, I have not even mentioned over great goalies like Bill Brown, Ted Ditchburn, Ron Springett, Jack Kelsey, Tony Macedo, etc.
posted on 27/11/14
palmers_spur
It's not the truth it's your opinion. My opinion is that there were so many more goals back then because the defences and keepers were so bad.
Oh I wondered why George Best was so good, it was because of bad defences. FFS not that old chestnut again. Sorry mate, you aint going to convince me that the modern game is better or had better players than back in the 60s.
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posted on 27/11/14
comment by sandy`s dad (U20025)
posted 5 minutes ago
palmers_spur
It's not the truth it's your opinion. My opinion is that there were so many more goals back then because the defences and keepers were so bad.
Oh I wondered why George Best was so good, it was because of bad defences. FFS not that old chestnut again. Sorry mate, you aint going to convince me that the modern game is better or had better players than back in the 60s.
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Yes sandy and you won't convince me of the opposite.
Two completely different eras. Let's leave it there
posted on 27/11/14
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posted on 27/11/14
palmers_spur
Fair enough.
posted on 27/11/14
Sheriff, you are not wanted on this article, you were taken to task last night on the Mancester United board for insulting one of their greatest ever players George Best with your inane rubbish. And now you ae trying to insult the greatest ever British goalscorer. You have a serious problem.
posted on 27/11/14
So what
posted on 27/11/14
Drogba scores big goals, on the biggest stage, in tight games we've won 1-0 and he loves a final.
posted on 27/11/14
Chelsea's greatest ever player - Lampard
posted on 27/11/14
Sandy your best ever player was a Chelsea boy. I remember an interview when he said his best performances were before he went to Milan and he felt no affiliation to Spurs at all.
So suck on that you sherbert lemon!
posted on 27/11/14
I've seen videos of football in the 60's and it is boring as hell.
posted on 27/11/14
In any era of football Greaves would have scored goals he was simply superb. Has he have been bought up in the modern era on the great pitches we have now with lighter footballs and boots plus a big dose of refereeing protection he would have been even better.
Thats not taking away from the modern day player because every generation produces fantastic footballers Messi, Ronaldo, Bale etc. but to believe Greaves would not have been up there with the best of them just shows how stupid some people are.
Look at his international record for a start 44 goals in 57 games makes Rooneys 46 in a 101 games look a bit poor really.
Particularly then as players might take 4 days to get to an away international game wheras now its first class all the way for our modern superstars.
I know most of you believe football was invented in about 1990 but trust me it was not and any of the top players of years ago would be top players now for sure
posted on 28/11/14
How many of Greaves goals came in finals to win trophies?
Exactly.
posted on 28/11/14
comment by sandy`s dad (U20025)
posted 6 hours, 3 minutes ago
White Wall
Different times Sandy,
I think even the keepers played up front in those days, score like 7-5 and 6-3 were common place every week.
Hardly changed really, you get 5-0 or 7-0 away wins in the modern CL, which you never got in the old European Cup. It doesn`t matter the era, Greaves was out on his own as the greatest ever British goalscorer. In fact for career league goals around Europe I think he is still Number One, one goal in front of Gerd Muller, and a long way in front of both Ronaldo and Messi. So their is a case for making him Europe`s greatest ever goalscorer.
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'you get 5-0 or 7-0 away wins in the modern CL, which you never got in the old European Cup'
Like Spurs beating Keflavík ÍF 9-0 & 6-1 in 72.
Or 0-6 vs Drogheda United FC in 83.
Or Utd beating Anderlecht 10-0 in 56?
posted on 28/11/14
How many of Greaves goals came in finals to win trophies?
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How many teams did he play in that were cherry picked by multi billionaires ensuring his team had all the best players?
Exactly
posted on 28/11/14
Despite a recurring odd desire to compare new players to old, I think the very best would shine in most era's. Yet the reason they shined in that specific era is because they are perfectly suited to the game.
For example Bobby Charlton may struggle with the fitness/conditioning and 'tactical' side of the modern game, but no-one could hit a heavy leather ball with such consistent accuracy on such a swampy pitch while dodging leg-breaking tackles. Which is why he was the best then.
posted on 28/11/14
I think the very best would shine in most era's
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Exactly because they would have been bought up in that era therefore their training would be the same as everybodies elses.
Talent is talent and a great footballer would be exactly that no matter what era he played in
posted on 28/11/14
firstly I've rated this piece of 5 hite 1 star.
Secondly i really do not get the need for the north London low lives to be publishing attention seeking rubbish on our board.
Finally, the two players are chalk and cheese, Greaves was an incredible footballer, into todays game like a bit of a suarez , where as the Drog is more of a Zidane as a vague comparison two very different players.
Also sandy you pillock, Drogba was / is not just about goals, his hold up play is second to none, his defensive game is something which Greaves never did , not knocking Jimmy but the two players are different.
+++ his assist rate !
posted on 28/11/14
Say My Name
How many of Greaves goals came in finals to win trophies?
Well for a start Drogba would not have had many either if he had been playing in any of the Chelsea side`s of the first 80 years of their history.
Only with the money has come the final appearances, and the winning goals, without the money Drogba would not have been anywhere near Chelsea for a start.
And before you say, ah but we won a few trophies in the 90s before Abramovich, yes you did, but with money you borrowed to buy success and had no chance of ever paying it back, and were about to get bust with the Russian intervention.
PS Greaves only played in three finals, and scored in two of them, so his percentage of goals to finals played is still better than Drogba`s.
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