I'll stick by Poch because I have to not because he deserves it.

Liverpool fan in peace. Say if he was sacked mid-season, who would you expect to replace him, and you've got quite a squad assembled of AVB/Poch's signings. The new manager has a ready made excuse of "it's not my team yet".

You have to persevere with him at least until the end of the season.

HE NEEDS TO BE GIVEN UP UNITL AT LEAST XMAS OF HIS SECOND SEASON.....

so he has next summer to build/mould the team/squad of his liking...after that...we can really start to ask questions if its not got better.

So far I have not been impressed. His tactics and substitutions are very predictable but I feel we have to stick with him and hope it all comes together.
I am fed up with changing managers every 6 months and would like him to stay for this season and the next at least to give him a proper chance.

Look like, you said a few days ago we are close to signing Moreno and Rodriquez though

Although time does not guarantee success LLM, chopping and changing managers/coaches does guarantee failure.

I think Levy has to stick with Poch for at least another year & then assess our progress or lack of.

Good article. But I think the general consensus will be to give him more time.

But I was never into him. I think that this was one of those knee jerk decisions that I bang on about, the fact that someone, a manager or a player has a good season at some unfancied club and they are hailed as a messiah and expected to do well at a bigger club.

People on here clamour for Bony, Benteke just because they knock a few in for Swansea or wherever. The do not take into account the other favourite topic of mine, which I think you are alluding to yourself in your article, and that is that teams play their opposition according to who they are. Which is why we get quite a few upsets.

I do not agree with you about players coming in though. Is it not the case that we can have as many players on the books as we like as long as the squad size is as per regulations. So, for arguments sake, Chiriches could be removed from the squad in order to accommodate Yedlin. Chiriches could then be offered for loan, although if this started to happen to Levy's investments I don't think he would be too pleased. Perhaps, then, Poch might not be considered the right man for the job.

Nothing to do with being good or not, just Levy wanting someone to blame for devaluing his assets.

Poch is getting an easier ride from fans than previous managers because most fans have finally realised that sacking a manager every season is not the way forward.

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Right man, I don't know.

But one thing is for sure, you'll never know if you sack him. Same as Harry, AVB and Sheerwood.

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What is wrong with using 'small club tactics'? The other tactics we have employed in years gone past haven't exactly yielded us with trophies have they?

Part of the problem is fans expectations. They have this notion is their head that we are this all amazing big time charlie club with a glorious history and are owed a show of fantastic football every time they go to the lane.

Got news for you. We don't win trophies. Have never challenged for the league in upteen years.

We need to employ small clubs tactics because we are small club. Be humble and accept it.

Levy has bought into Poch and (his team) sucked in I would say , not great tactically, subs poor not impressed but guess we have to stick till end of season

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- Pacifically constant (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
He didn't really get a chance to bring "his" players in did he. Poch was brought in on the back of what he did at Saints where he took a team battling relegation and turned them into a top 8 side who gave every team they played a tough time. His style is playing a high line, high tempo pressing game from the front back. At Saints, you look at Jay Rodriguez, Lallana, Morgan S, Wanyama, Davis, Cork... All high energy all prepared to close down as a unit. You then had Clyne and Shaw out wide with great energy up and down the pitch.
Can Poch play the same way with the players he has?
Do Lamela, Eriksen, Adebayor, Soldado work in the same way? He has brought Mason in and Bentelab to try and add some energy but I don't think either would get into his Saints team from last season. Shaw and Clyne also suited his formation far more than your current full backs.
Basically, he is having to try and mould a team around his philosophy, is realising he cannot really do that so having to move away from what he wants. He is basically having to learn as he goes until he can bring in the three or four players he needs to implement his style. You HAVE to stick with him in the same way we have to stick with Rodgers this season.
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Only one thing wrong with that assessment, greatteams, all of it.

Have you not noticed that Southampton are doing a lot better now, with a new manager, most of those players you mention having departed and not doing very well where they have gone, and a squad overhaul that looked like it might sink the club in July.

Still, some might agree with you.

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yes he is the right man..

BUT

1. he has to lose his stubbornness
2. he has a lot to learn regarding in game management and substitutions
3. he has to ship out the bad apples
4. levy has to back him
5. we have to give him time.

How can any of us properly judge Poch yet? It's not even half way into the season. He needs the adequate time, and support through a transfer window (last summer's doesn't count, as I suspect he had less control than he wanted).

Let's not forget that Poch did well at Southampton in his second season, after a first season where they ended up in a relegation battle, so what makes us think he should carry that on in his first few months at Spurs with new and arguably worse players?

I think far too much importance is put on a manager and his tactics.
Have Liverpool drastically changed tactics this year or are they just seriously missing Suarez and Sturridge?
Did Chelsea draw with Sunderland and lose to Newcastle because mourinho had bad tactics or just because they defended very well, like a lot of teams in the prem are capable of doing now. Chelsea and City are doing better than the rest because they have much better players, particularly in defensive positions. It's no surprise that United Spurs arsenal Everton keep conceding goals as they are part of a group of teams who don't sit back and defend, they go to attack and (particularly in Spurs case) come unstuck when they can't break down stubborn defences. Maybe small club tactics are the way forward, but at the moment I see Spurs failings down to the low quality of the players, not the manager.

Not really quite sure how Saints are doing this season is relevant to what I have said? I just pointed out his style of play at Southampton and why he was successful there and how he can't seem to play that way with the personnel you currently have.
Ronald Koeman may be a better manager, he may not be, but that doesn't have anything to do with what I have said. And the players I have mentioned not doing as well else where isn't really a stick to beat Poch with is it?
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Because you used his success at Southampton as a barometer of his quality as a manager. I am pointing out that they are doing better without him, and he is doing worse at the club he has moved to.

Now either he is a good manager who can get the players working to his system or he is not. At the moment he cannot and Spurs are going backwards.

But I am also suspicious of what his "system" is. You point out it is high tempo, high pressing. I say that those terms are just this season's pundit speak. They will disappear in a year or so for something else.

Many teams have been using quickly closing down the player in possession of the ball so as to deny him time and space to play effectively for many seasons now. It is not new. But many of the better teams have not used it because of their better skill. It was always the province of un-favoured teams as a way of combating the skill they were up against.

Not to mention he's coping with Europe for the first time, when for the first time the competition actually means something. As far as managerial appointments, he's been thrown in at the deep end, so HAS to have time to adapt.

I think he Could be the right man, as has been said, IF he gets the time and backing. His stubbornness worries me but there have been glimpses and I'm desperate to believe that he can kick up a few gears.

I think he was brought in because of his record with youth and strong philosophy. Levy is desperate to bring a top down system to the club where we harness youth and everyone buys into the club philosophy (similar to say a Dortmund).

I think we have to expect that not every manager is going to hit the ground running like Harry did.

comment by Huddlestone's Afro - Rock you like a HurriKane! (U15375)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think he Could be the right man, as has been said, IF he gets the time and backing. His stubbornness worries me but there have been glimpses and I'm desperate to believe that he can kick up a few gears.

I think he was brought in because of his record with youth and strong philosophy. Levy is desperate to bring a top down system to the club where we harness youth and everyone buys into the club philosophy (similar to say a Dortmund).
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Agreed, Spurs needs a new philosophy. Fans and players. Hard work first, silky football second. the world has changed and some Spurs fans need to grow up and accept this. We used to complain that we don't have Spurs type players.....LOL what is that exactly? I would love a few fans to tell me what Spurs type player is.

Is Mabbutt the same player as Hoddle?

The only thing that makes a Spurs player is his desire to play for the club and give 100%. Thats all it is. It is then up to the manager and recruitment staff to make sure the players skill matches up with his desire.....thats all it is in my view.

I don't know.

It's all good and well having a philosophy -as seems to be the buzzword nowadays with coaches - but you can't just blindly follow it even when you don't have the players to carry it out.

There have been some woeful team decisions made this season, mainly down the right. Just when you think he has seen the light, we get Dier and Lamela down that side again v Palace, and surprise surprise, Dier gets a torrid time.

Walker and Yedlin should both be available from January, so things should naturally improve, but it worries me hugely that a supposed top coach cannot see what has been so very obviously a problem, and that doesn't bode well long-term.

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't know.

It's all good and well having a philosophy -as seems to be the buzzword nowadays with coaches - but you can't just blindly follow it even when you don't have the players to carry it out.

There have been some woeful team decisions made this season, mainly down the right. Just when you think he has seen the light, we get Dier and Lamela down that side again v Palace, and surprise surprise, Dier gets a torrid time.

Walker and Yedlin should both be available from January, so things should naturally improve, but it worries me hugely that a supposed top coach cannot see what has been so very obviously a problem, and that doesn't bode well long-term.


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in defence of Poch the team is evolving


back 4 and keeper

? Mason Bentaleb Eriksen

Kane

?

There are only two positions which he doesn't seem sure about.

RM and CF

If we bought start quality in these positions it would be a great January