We cant even beat them away
The problem with someone like Schneiderlin is that Southampton don't need to sell him.
Which means that we would not only have to pay what he is worth but over that. It is all very well saying back the manager but Levy will only do it if he thinks we are getting a good deal.
I will defend levy to the hilt great man
This isn't directed entirely at you OP as I know you have made a lot of points, but...
It really winds me up when people claim that Sherwood was a great manager, or that we should have stuck with him.
He has the best points per game ratio. I accept that. But he was in only in charge for half a season. People chuck this fact about like it's the end of the debate, and hide behind his faults.
He had very little tactical awareness. One game he started Chadli as CM (without another DM alongside him). Lennon was used as a no 10. Walker as a right winger. These could have been genius moves... they weren't. We got smashed by chelsea, by liverpool, by City, lost to arsenal twice, he seemed to be trying something different to make a name for himself.
He was helped hugely by Adebayor wanting to prove AVB wrong. We all know Ade is brilliant when he wants to be, and he clearly wanted to be when Tim was in charge, but anyone thinking this was for any other reason than for himself is (IMO) wrong. Without Ade playing out of his skin (i.e. if you were AVB or Poch) he would have had several fewer points.
He was completely cracking by the end, so so far out of his depth. Throwing his jacket on the floor, throwing the ball at Sagna, his outburts, his face aged about 10 years in the few months that he was in charge. I honestly think that if he was in charge another six months he would have had a heart attack.
He let a fan sit in the dugout. Great laughs etc., and at the time it was amusing. But would any serious / top level manager ever do this? Fergie? Pep? Please.
His press conferences were apalling. Remember when he made the joke about 'who is Lamela?'. It was the Tim Sherwood show, he was trying to get laughs more than points by the end it seemed.
I appreciated that he came in and did a good job, but he really really wasn't the long term answer.
Should have stuck with Sherwood
comment by Thuddo! (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
Should have stuck with Sherwood
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What a great post, Juande
I will simply refer people to that when Sherwood is brought up again
Didn't he also try and fight the benfica manager?
And then said it was easier to manage from the stands? Then binned that off after a couple of games.
Notice he hasn't got a job, anywhere, since.
He was entertaining, but mental.
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 9 minutes ago
This isn't directed entirely at you OP as I know you have made a lot of points, but...
It really winds me up when people claim that Sherwood was a great manager, or that we should have stuck with him.
He has the best points per game ratio. I accept that. But he was in only in charge for half a season. People chuck this fact about like it's the end of the debate, and hide behind his faults.
He had very little tactical awareness. One game he started Chadli as CM (without another DM alongside him). Lennon was used as a no 10. Walker as a right winger. These could have been genius moves... they weren't. We got smashed by chelsea, by liverpool, by City, lost to arsenal twice, he seemed to be trying something different to make a name for himself.
He was helped hugely by Adebayor wanting to prove AVB wrong. We all know Ade is brilliant when he wants to be, and he clearly wanted to be when Tim was in charge, but anyone thinking this was for any other reason than for himself is (IMO) wrong. Without Ade playing out of his skin (i.e. if you were AVB or Poch) he would have had several fewer points.
He was completely cracking by the end, so so far out of his depth. Throwing his jacket on the floor, throwing the ball at Sagna, his outburts, his face aged about 10 years in the few months that he was in charge. I honestly think that if he was in charge another six months he would have had a heart attack.
He let a fan sit in the dugout. Great laughs etc., and at the time it was amusing. But would any serious / top level manager ever do this? Fergie? Pep? Please.
His press conferences were apalling. Remember when he made the joke about 'who is Lamela?'. It was the Tim Sherwood show, he was trying to get laughs more than points by the end it seemed.
I appreciated that he came in and did a good job, but he really really wasn't the long term answer.
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But now this is the typical I hate sherwood so whatever he does i'm gonna criticise!
You can't even credit him for getting Adebayor our top earner playing at his best!
Burgandy I don't hate him at all. I liked him to begin with, I wanted him to do well, I was even one of the few that agreed with you that we should be patient with him. But the longer he was there, the more ridiculous he became to the point that he was no longer defendable. Looking back it was a bit of a car crash.
I honestly think Ade played that well because he'd been ignored by AVB for so long and had a point to prove. I don't think Sherwood's managing style / made him a better player. I simply think he played him, and Ade did the rest. I could be wrong.
My post wasn't because I hate sherwood, it was because the OP suggests the club would be better off with Sherood still in charge, which I think is madness.
I take your points and at times Sherwood did seem a bit mental but I thought the results on the pitch were decent and he got alot of stick even when we won games.
I'm not saying he would have have done better then MP either although judging by the same amount of games he hasnt done worse.
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 minute ago
I take your points and at times Sherwood did seem a bit mental but I thought the results on the pitch were decent and he got alot of stick even when we won games.
I'm not saying he would have have done better then MP either although judging by the same amount of games he hasnt done worse.
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I can't argue with that!
Poch has been very mixed. But it does seem to me that he has a longer term plan, a style that he wants, it's just getting the players to adapt to it. Hopefully that will work!
On the other hand, Sherwood never really gave any confidence that he knew what he was doing for more than 90 minutes at a time (and not always that). He'd approach games with wildly different line ups and not persevere with experiments once they'd gone wrong once. It was a bit all over the place.
Not sure how you can say Sherwood didn't have an effect on Adebayor. He shoved him straight in the first team soon as he took over, and that equalled form, yet obviously it was nothing to do with Sherwood. If it wasn't for Tim, Ade wouldn't have been playing.
I think it was right for him to go, but let's be honest, this was his first official managerial role. Of course he's not going to rocket us to top 4, in fact it is fairly impressive how many games he won.
Not to mention, he introduced Bentaleb to the 1st team, when everyone had never heard of him before, and he's still a first team regular.
Rather he speak his mind, then sit on the fence every week and turn his nose at every question like AVB.
I don't think Sherwood is an especially good manager. Perhaps he will become one, I really don't know. I think his approach to younger players was excellent. I also think he was more flexible in his management style than AVB, who was going to stick with the likes of Soldado and Capoue come what may. I think people are speaking up for him because he was unfairly criticized by fans. It's difficult to argue that Sherwood did a particularly bad job.
My point is I don't think he's that much better or worse than Poch or AVB. I'm hoping Poch is a top manager. It's just some us here, like grandspur and myself, are so far unconvinced.
Exactly Benny, he needed experience at a lower level first before being in charge of one the most pressured clubs in the country. It was the wrong place for him to learn, the job was too big for him.
I hope he goes on to be successful. Decisions like palying Bentaleb were obviously good ones.
He did well in the circumstances, I just maintain we wouldn't be better off with him still here. I'll shut up now
The problem with someone like Schneiderlin is that Southampton don't need to sell him.
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They cannot force him to stay. Rumor is he's gone for the right price. The other rumor is Wenger wants him. Our wage structure will make signing him tough. Arsenal are also obviously a better destination for ambitious players we now.
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Should those people be waiting until Spurs beat Burnley away ??
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Hark, I basically said the same thing as you, just less politely
This mug arsey couldn't help but mention me after I exposed him
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posted on 22/12/14
We cant even beat them away
posted on 22/12/14
Boring
posted on 22/12/14
BITE
posted on 22/12/14
The problem with someone like Schneiderlin is that Southampton don't need to sell him.
Which means that we would not only have to pay what he is worth but over that. It is all very well saying back the manager but Levy will only do it if he thinks we are getting a good deal.
posted on 22/12/14
I will defend levy to the hilt great man
posted on 22/12/14
This isn't directed entirely at you OP as I know you have made a lot of points, but...
It really winds me up when people claim that Sherwood was a great manager, or that we should have stuck with him.
He has the best points per game ratio. I accept that. But he was in only in charge for half a season. People chuck this fact about like it's the end of the debate, and hide behind his faults.
He had very little tactical awareness. One game he started Chadli as CM (without another DM alongside him). Lennon was used as a no 10. Walker as a right winger. These could have been genius moves... they weren't. We got smashed by chelsea, by liverpool, by City, lost to arsenal twice, he seemed to be trying something different to make a name for himself.
He was helped hugely by Adebayor wanting to prove AVB wrong. We all know Ade is brilliant when he wants to be, and he clearly wanted to be when Tim was in charge, but anyone thinking this was for any other reason than for himself is (IMO) wrong. Without Ade playing out of his skin (i.e. if you were AVB or Poch) he would have had several fewer points.
He was completely cracking by the end, so so far out of his depth. Throwing his jacket on the floor, throwing the ball at Sagna, his outburts, his face aged about 10 years in the few months that he was in charge. I honestly think that if he was in charge another six months he would have had a heart attack.
He let a fan sit in the dugout. Great laughs etc., and at the time it was amusing. But would any serious / top level manager ever do this? Fergie? Pep? Please.
His press conferences were apalling. Remember when he made the joke about 'who is Lamela?'. It was the Tim Sherwood show, he was trying to get laughs more than points by the end it seemed.
I appreciated that he came in and did a good job, but he really really wasn't the long term answer.
posted on 22/12/14
Notso
posted on 22/12/14
Should have stuck with Sherwood
posted on 22/12/14
comment by Thuddo! (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
Should have stuck with Sherwood
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posted on 22/12/14
What a great post, Juande
I will simply refer people to that when Sherwood is brought up again
posted on 22/12/14
Didn't he also try and fight the benfica manager?
And then said it was easier to manage from the stands? Then binned that off after a couple of games.
Notice he hasn't got a job, anywhere, since.
He was entertaining, but mental.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 9 minutes ago
This isn't directed entirely at you OP as I know you have made a lot of points, but...
It really winds me up when people claim that Sherwood was a great manager, or that we should have stuck with him.
He has the best points per game ratio. I accept that. But he was in only in charge for half a season. People chuck this fact about like it's the end of the debate, and hide behind his faults.
He had very little tactical awareness. One game he started Chadli as CM (without another DM alongside him). Lennon was used as a no 10. Walker as a right winger. These could have been genius moves... they weren't. We got smashed by chelsea, by liverpool, by City, lost to arsenal twice, he seemed to be trying something different to make a name for himself.
He was helped hugely by Adebayor wanting to prove AVB wrong. We all know Ade is brilliant when he wants to be, and he clearly wanted to be when Tim was in charge, but anyone thinking this was for any other reason than for himself is (IMO) wrong. Without Ade playing out of his skin (i.e. if you were AVB or Poch) he would have had several fewer points.
He was completely cracking by the end, so so far out of his depth. Throwing his jacket on the floor, throwing the ball at Sagna, his outburts, his face aged about 10 years in the few months that he was in charge. I honestly think that if he was in charge another six months he would have had a heart attack.
He let a fan sit in the dugout. Great laughs etc., and at the time it was amusing. But would any serious / top level manager ever do this? Fergie? Pep? Please.
His press conferences were apalling. Remember when he made the joke about 'who is Lamela?'. It was the Tim Sherwood show, he was trying to get laughs more than points by the end it seemed.
I appreciated that he came in and did a good job, but he really really wasn't the long term answer.
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But now this is the typical I hate sherwood so whatever he does i'm gonna criticise!
You can't even credit him for getting Adebayor our top earner playing at his best!
posted on 22/12/14
Burgandy I don't hate him at all. I liked him to begin with, I wanted him to do well, I was even one of the few that agreed with you that we should be patient with him. But the longer he was there, the more ridiculous he became to the point that he was no longer defendable. Looking back it was a bit of a car crash.
I honestly think Ade played that well because he'd been ignored by AVB for so long and had a point to prove. I don't think Sherwood's managing style / made him a better player. I simply think he played him, and Ade did the rest. I could be wrong.
My post wasn't because I hate sherwood, it was because the OP suggests the club would be better off with Sherood still in charge, which I think is madness.
posted on 22/12/14
I take your points and at times Sherwood did seem a bit mental but I thought the results on the pitch were decent and he got alot of stick even when we won games.
I'm not saying he would have have done better then MP either although judging by the same amount of games he hasnt done worse.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 minute ago
I take your points and at times Sherwood did seem a bit mental but I thought the results on the pitch were decent and he got alot of stick even when we won games.
I'm not saying he would have have done better then MP either although judging by the same amount of games he hasnt done worse.
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I can't argue with that!
Poch has been very mixed. But it does seem to me that he has a longer term plan, a style that he wants, it's just getting the players to adapt to it. Hopefully that will work!
On the other hand, Sherwood never really gave any confidence that he knew what he was doing for more than 90 minutes at a time (and not always that). He'd approach games with wildly different line ups and not persevere with experiments once they'd gone wrong once. It was a bit all over the place.
posted on 22/12/14
Not sure how you can say Sherwood didn't have an effect on Adebayor. He shoved him straight in the first team soon as he took over, and that equalled form, yet obviously it was nothing to do with Sherwood. If it wasn't for Tim, Ade wouldn't have been playing.
I think it was right for him to go, but let's be honest, this was his first official managerial role. Of course he's not going to rocket us to top 4, in fact it is fairly impressive how many games he won.
Not to mention, he introduced Bentaleb to the 1st team, when everyone had never heard of him before, and he's still a first team regular.
Rather he speak his mind, then sit on the fence every week and turn his nose at every question like AVB.
posted on 22/12/14
I don't think Sherwood is an especially good manager. Perhaps he will become one, I really don't know. I think his approach to younger players was excellent. I also think he was more flexible in his management style than AVB, who was going to stick with the likes of Soldado and Capoue come what may. I think people are speaking up for him because he was unfairly criticized by fans. It's difficult to argue that Sherwood did a particularly bad job.
My point is I don't think he's that much better or worse than Poch or AVB. I'm hoping Poch is a top manager. It's just some us here, like grandspur and myself, are so far unconvinced.
posted on 22/12/14
Exactly Benny, he needed experience at a lower level first before being in charge of one the most pressured clubs in the country. It was the wrong place for him to learn, the job was too big for him.
I hope he goes on to be successful. Decisions like palying Bentaleb were obviously good ones.
He did well in the circumstances, I just maintain we wouldn't be better off with him still here. I'll shut up now
posted on 22/12/14
The problem with someone like Schneiderlin is that Southampton don't need to sell him.
__
They cannot force him to stay. Rumor is he's gone for the right price. The other rumor is Wenger wants him. Our wage structure will make signing him tough. Arsenal are also obviously a better destination for ambitious players we now.
posted on 22/12/14
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posted on 22/12/14
Should those people be waiting until Spurs beat Burnley away ??
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posted on 22/12/14
Hark, I basically said the same thing as you, just less politely
posted on 23/12/14
This mug arsey couldn't help but mention me after I exposed him
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