Ferguson is no longer the manager....
Does anyone really think we will sign the lad?
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Nope.
Pogba will be Yaya's eventual replacement.
Ferguson is no longer the manager....
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That may be the case but he is still on the board and I am I damn sure knowing the ego he had in his latter years and in this case in itself he would have a word with LVG should he even consider a bid.
yes he would be pefect
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Is he though?
He has made his name in a 3 man midfield, alongside two really top CMs. Even in the UTD reserves, he would play alongside two CMs.
He has plenty of talent and ability, but there is a big question mark as to whether he could be the main man in a 2 man midfield (in place of Carrick?).
"Does anyone really think we will sign the lad?"
I don't.
Ji Sung Park's Cousin
Just as well we haven't played 2 in midfield under LVG then.
comment by BusbyBells (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ji Sung Park's Cousin
Just as well we haven't played 2 in midfield under LVG then.
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If you think Mata or Rooney are playing a CM role that resembles anything close to a traditional 3 man midfield, good for you.
The only thing that even slightly resemebles how Juve setup is when we have played
-----------Blind--------------
------Herrera, Mata-------
Probably happened 3 times all season.
We have played the diamond a few times....
Pogba can play in a 2 man midfield, make no bones about it. He will be less affective, like any player in the world, but he can play the role if required.
Not that it matters as it is unlikely to happen anyway.
Pogba can play in a 2 man midfield
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I'm sure he can... I'm just highlight that he might not be as perfect for UTD as some think. Especially for the quoted price.
The point I am trying to make is not if he can play in a 1-2-3-4 or even 5 man midfield! He might currently even be better than all our CM's combined but would he want to come back? And would United even want him back considering the way he left?
Put yourself in his boots. You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
You decide to leave for the same position else where and turn out being awesome. Now your older employer wants you back.. would you go back?
I wouldn't cut my nose off to spite my face. Too hard to judge. Would need to know all the facts.
I wouldn't not go back just because I didn't get played previously by a different manager that's for sure.
You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
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As has been discussed many, many times... Pogba was really not pulling up any trees in the reserves, that season. Petrucci was putting in MOTM performances most weeks in CM and forced Pogba out of position.
We'd be a laughing stock buying a player for up to 80m that we groomed and then let slip out of our hands a couple of seasons ago.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Fellaini can be our Yaya (U2958)
posted 33 minutes ago
Pogba can play in a 2 man midfield
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I'm sure he can... I'm just highlight that he might not be as perfect for UTD as some think. Especially for the quoted price.
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Fair point, I don't think any formation involving a 2 man midfield is right for us though. Sooner we play 1 up top the better imo.
comment by Rock Steady ⚽™ Philosophy > Football (U9953)
posted 2 minutes ago
We'd be a laughing stock buying a player for up to 80m that we groomed and then let slip out of our hands a couple of seasons ago.
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Only if it fails, I guess.
People were laughing about Matic, but those laughs soon dried up.
I guess at £80m though, he would have to go on to be legendary before the price stopped being mentioned.
£80m is a lot, I'd say more 45-60m, and I think we'll see a lot more of these prices in the next few years.
Don't think Juve in their financial state are in a position to demand £80m before selling him.
Unless there's a bidding war he'll go for around £50m, which is still a lot of money.
comment by BusbyBells (U19985)
posted 4 seconds ago
Don't think Juve in their financial state are in a position to demand £80m before selling him.
Unless there's a bidding war he'll go for around £50m, which is still a lot of money.
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agreed
Pogba did go on to prove SAF wrong by being ready for top class football. SAF fooked up on that one big time and shelling 80m to re-sign him again would only be throwing salt onto a wound SAF didn't need to make.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Fellaini can be our Yaya (U2958)
posted 28 minutes ago
You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
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As has been discussed many, many times... Pogba was really not pulling up any trees in the reserves, that season. Petrucci was putting in MOTM performances most weeks in CM and forced Pogba out of position.
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I keep telling people this, but they always ignore it.
I wouldn't give too many shîts about opposition fans laughing, if the price were £40m-£50m or so.
If it helped push us right back to the top, it'd be worth it and as shinji says, we are now entering a period of our club spending that kind of money a fair bit, i imagine
You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
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This isn't a black-and-white issue and in retrospect there are few people who don't wish Fergie had handled it differently. However, your account leaves out the fact that Fergie publicly said he saw Pogba as the future and wanted him to sign up to stay as well as the fact that Pogba wasn't showing the kind of desire in reserves that said 'I'll make you play me'.
And the point I always make when this debate flares up is that Fergie's ethos of not tolerating 'I've already made it, I deserve to be picked' attitudes was crucial to our success over the last 25 years. As such, losing the odd egotistical but excellent player as collateral damage was well worth it.
As to the OP, I don't see bad blood as that much of an obstacle. Fergie has moved on and is a pragmatist deep down anyway. The fans won't care if he is the player we need. And Pogba may or may not care about water under the bridge. Perhaps he is deeply wounded by what happened. Perhaps he has grown up and doesn't care. Perhaps he'll happily go to play for the highest bidder. We've seen enough brazen and unprincipled behaviour in football to be surprised by nothing.
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posted on 5/1/15
Ferguson is no longer the manager....
posted on 5/1/15
Does anyone really think we will sign the lad?
==================================
Nope.
posted on 5/1/15
Pogba will be Yaya's eventual replacement.
posted on 5/1/15
Ferguson is no longer the manager....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
That may be the case but he is still on the board and I am I damn sure knowing the ego he had in his latter years and in this case in itself he would have a word with LVG should he even consider a bid.
posted on 5/1/15
yes he would be pefect
--------------
Is he though?
He has made his name in a 3 man midfield, alongside two really top CMs. Even in the UTD reserves, he would play alongside two CMs.
He has plenty of talent and ability, but there is a big question mark as to whether he could be the main man in a 2 man midfield (in place of Carrick?).
posted on 5/1/15
"Does anyone really think we will sign the lad?"
I don't.
posted on 5/1/15
Ji Sung Park's Cousin
Just as well we haven't played 2 in midfield under LVG then.
posted on 5/1/15
comment by BusbyBells (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ji Sung Park's Cousin
Just as well we haven't played 2 in midfield under LVG then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you think Mata or Rooney are playing a CM role that resembles anything close to a traditional 3 man midfield, good for you.
posted on 5/1/15
The only thing that even slightly resemebles how Juve setup is when we have played
-----------Blind--------------
------Herrera, Mata-------
Probably happened 3 times all season.
posted on 5/1/15
We have played the diamond a few times....
Pogba can play in a 2 man midfield, make no bones about it. He will be less affective, like any player in the world, but he can play the role if required.
Not that it matters as it is unlikely to happen anyway.
posted on 5/1/15
Won't happen
posted on 5/1/15
Pogba can play in a 2 man midfield
-------------------
I'm sure he can... I'm just highlight that he might not be as perfect for UTD as some think. Especially for the quoted price.
posted on 5/1/15
The point I am trying to make is not if he can play in a 1-2-3-4 or even 5 man midfield! He might currently even be better than all our CM's combined but would he want to come back? And would United even want him back considering the way he left?
Put yourself in his boots. You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
You decide to leave for the same position else where and turn out being awesome. Now your older employer wants you back.. would you go back?
posted on 5/1/15
I wouldn't cut my nose off to spite my face. Too hard to judge. Would need to know all the facts.
I wouldn't not go back just because I didn't get played previously by a different manager that's for sure.
posted on 5/1/15
You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
---------------------
As has been discussed many, many times... Pogba was really not pulling up any trees in the reserves, that season. Petrucci was putting in MOTM performances most weeks in CM and forced Pogba out of position.
posted on 5/1/15
We'd be a laughing stock buying a player for up to 80m that we groomed and then let slip out of our hands a couple of seasons ago.
posted on 5/1/15
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Fellaini can be our Yaya (U2958)
posted 33 minutes ago
Pogba can play in a 2 man midfield
-------------------
I'm sure he can... I'm just highlight that he might not be as perfect for UTD as some think. Especially for the quoted price.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair point, I don't think any formation involving a 2 man midfield is right for us though. Sooner we play 1 up top the better imo.
posted on 5/1/15
comment by Rock Steady ⚽™ Philosophy > Football (U9953)
posted 2 minutes ago
We'd be a laughing stock buying a player for up to 80m that we groomed and then let slip out of our hands a couple of seasons ago.
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Only if it fails, I guess.
People were laughing about Matic, but those laughs soon dried up.
I guess at £80m though, he would have to go on to be legendary before the price stopped being mentioned.
posted on 5/1/15
£80m is a lot, I'd say more 45-60m, and I think we'll see a lot more of these prices in the next few years.
posted on 5/1/15
Don't think Juve in their financial state are in a position to demand £80m before selling him.
Unless there's a bidding war he'll go for around £50m, which is still a lot of money.
posted on 5/1/15
comment by BusbyBells (U19985)
posted 4 seconds ago
Don't think Juve in their financial state are in a position to demand £80m before selling him.
Unless there's a bidding war he'll go for around £50m, which is still a lot of money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
agreed
posted on 5/1/15
Pogba did go on to prove SAF wrong by being ready for top class football. SAF fooked up on that one big time and shelling 80m to re-sign him again would only be throwing salt onto a wound SAF didn't need to make.
posted on 5/1/15
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Fellaini can be our Yaya (U2958)
posted 28 minutes ago
You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
---------------------
As has been discussed many, many times... Pogba was really not pulling up any trees in the reserves, that season. Petrucci was putting in MOTM performances most weeks in CM and forced Pogba out of position.
-----------------------
I keep telling people this, but they always ignore it.
posted on 5/1/15
I wouldn't give too many shîts about opposition fans laughing, if the price were £40m-£50m or so.
If it helped push us right back to the top, it'd be worth it and as shinji says, we are now entering a period of our club spending that kind of money a fair bit, i imagine
posted on 5/1/15
You are doing awesome at work a promotion comes up in the job you've been training to do for the past 3years and instead of giving you the job your company brings back a retiree.
---------------------------------------
This isn't a black-and-white issue and in retrospect there are few people who don't wish Fergie had handled it differently. However, your account leaves out the fact that Fergie publicly said he saw Pogba as the future and wanted him to sign up to stay as well as the fact that Pogba wasn't showing the kind of desire in reserves that said 'I'll make you play me'.
And the point I always make when this debate flares up is that Fergie's ethos of not tolerating 'I've already made it, I deserve to be picked' attitudes was crucial to our success over the last 25 years. As such, losing the odd egotistical but excellent player as collateral damage was well worth it.
As to the OP, I don't see bad blood as that much of an obstacle. Fergie has moved on and is a pragmatist deep down anyway. The fans won't care if he is the player we need. And Pogba may or may not care about water under the bridge. Perhaps he is deeply wounded by what happened. Perhaps he has grown up and doesn't care. Perhaps he'll happily go to play for the highest bidder. We've seen enough brazen and unprincipled behaviour in football to be surprised by nothing.
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