comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many of those people signing the petition actually know the details of the case as opposed to just evans being convicted for rape.
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Exactly.
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So you're an expert now?
Thousands of people object to him playing football again. rightly or wrongly there it is.
Everyone on here is a footy fan;
Would you have Evans your club?
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Just as Guv has mentioned above about all cases of rape being looked at individually, from what I've heard of this particular case it doesn't sound as heinous a crime that I wouldn't deny the man being given a second chance, so if he was good enough I would accept him at Spurs.
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many of those people signing the petition actually know the details of the case as opposed to just evans being convicted for rape.
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Exactly.
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So you're an expert now?
Thousands of people object to him playing football again. rightly or wrongly there it is.
Everyone on here is a footy fan;
Would you have Evans your club?
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I read a newspaper article yesterday which gave people retorts to people who were pro Ched Evans playing football again. It was a completely biased article that only argued one side and even missed out key points from the case (I have read the case notes which are on the internet).
People aren't even allowed to make their own mind up. The media is telling them what to think. That's what annoys me about this whole thing. News is never reported as it is, there is always bias.
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comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 3 minutes ago
Being concerned that a convicted rapist is showing no remorse is not being politically correct, it's about having morals,.common decency, respect
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He doesn't think he's guilty. He thinks she consented. She has never said she didn't consent, she has said she doesn't remember (an expert has stated that she didn't consume enough alcohol for memory loss and the cocaine would have gone some way to negate the alcohol btw).
Only three people know what went on in that hotel room, two think she consented and one doesn't remember. Why would he show remorse if he doesn't think he committed a crime.
If you believe you were falsely accused of a crime, would you show remorse?
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by MARK. (U1449)
posted 4 seconds ago
wonder if the media have started tapping his phone yet
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Nah - they are all banged up following the Sun/ NoW scandals
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Yup. Everyone working in the media is the same.
I give up.
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If the cap fits Bales?
In all seriousness, there's a lot about this case which will never come to light. Only the victim and Evans will truly know what occurred in the hotel room. We are merely speculating. Two lives ruined through alcohol
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 10 minutes ago
This debate is making me sad.
You have no point other than apparently thinking he's alright, and been hard done by. I'll never agree, short of his conviction being overturned.
Have a nice evening.
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That sums up how the vocal contingent of our nation argue.
Ignore valid points people make who oppose them and downplay their argument, then walk off thinking they are better than everyone else.
As far as crimes go, rape cases like these have got to be one such example where you can imagine innocent people being wrongfully convicted seeing as it can come down to being one person's word against another's.
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comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by MARK. (U1449)
posted 4 seconds ago
wonder if the media have started tapping his phone yet
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Nah - they are all banged up following the Sun/ NoW scandals
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Yup. Everyone working in the media is the same.
I give up.
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If the cap fits Bales?
In all seriousness, there's a lot about this case which will never come to light. Only the victim and Evans will truly know what occurred in the hotel room. We are merely speculating. Two lives ruined through alcohol
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Three lives. Mcdonald must be going through a tough time also.
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Well in all fairness, he wasn't raped, didn't spend 2.5 yrs banged up - but he got his leg over. Best result probably
How Spurs fans saying the verdict is all that matters still call Terry a racist, despite him being found innocent?
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 10 minutes ago
This debate is making me sad.
You have no point other than apparently thinking he's alright, and been hard done by. I'll never agree, short of his conviction being overturned.
Have a nice evening.
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That sums up how the vocal contingent of our nation argue.
Ignore valid points people make who oppose them and downplay their argument, then walk off thinking they are better than everyone else.
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Your point wasn't valid IMO.
Your sympathy for this man is ill placed and based on the verdict of a jury better informed than any of us will ever be, incorrect. It makes me sad because there is a victim in all of this, not only being overlooked but often blamed for what happened. It also make me sad i have to explain that.. All because this man can't take back a highly lucrative job in the public eye. He could play football for any number of clubs. He could take any number of other jobs.
Mark
Yes the mainstream media are s.cumbags mostly, we've been over this, opinion pieces on why he should (talk sport today) and didn't - the one mentioned above - reflect the public interest in this story.
Fair enough all you who'd have him. I personally would be disgusted if Spurs signed him, assuming he was good enough.
All about opinions.
If Ched Evans earned a living as a plumber, electrician, road sweeper or any number of other occupations there would be absolutely zero media hype surrounding the case and he would be left alone to earn a living. Because he's a footballer, the media hype is inflaming opinion against him being able to resume his usual occupation despite the fact that he's perfectly entitled to do so.
He's done the penalty imposed by the court, leave him alone to resume his job and let's see what the outcome of his attempt to get the verdict overturned is.
From the information that I've read I think there's a good chance that a lot of people will be eating a big slice of humble pie.
As I've stated before, it's up to the individual club, it is NOT the place of society to ban him from a particular profession.
He has served his time, and has been released, so his future employment should be between him and the potential employer (and their fans/sponsors) and is nobody else's business.
If society wishes to punish people further, then campaign for longer prison sentences
Harry's
You talk as if footballers never make the papers.
They only get paid what they do because they're famous, because people all over the world admire their ability, kids want shirts with their names on, grown men want to read books about their lives and so on.
Comparing them to the average person on the street is not helpful and adds little to the debate at hand.
People may have to eat humble pie if his conviction is overturned. He should be doing that already, if he had a lot of this media circus could've been avoided.
Marlon King and Lee Hughes found clubs after they'd been to prison.. but poor old Ched.. do me a favour
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That poor girl.
Sorry, that's me being PC again.
Plenty will be revealed at the appeal I'm sure.
I wish I could be so certain of his guilt or innocence as some are, because it'd make things a lot easier.
It's naive to think it couldn't happen.
It's also naive to think accusation s like this aren't fabricated.
The truth is, none of us know for sure. Worst case is he did it, and in that case he has served his time.
It's not about us being sure, it's about respecting the rule of law.
And no, the worst thing is not just if he's done it, it's that he done it then showed no remorse for his crime.
Bales.
How would you suggest he show contrition, apologise? For what? If he's convinced he had s ex consensually he has absolutely nothing to apologise for and it would massively prejudice his chance of getting the verdict overturned. He can't apologise even if he wants to and in his view has no reason to do so.
The law is the law regardless of whether the perpetrator is a city banker or a crack head bum, if he's served his sentence he is legally entitled to resume his previous occupation ........... if the press will get off his case and let him get on with it.
The fact that you personally disagree is irrelevant, you have the choice whether you pay to see a game that he may play in, all I'm saying is he's entitled to do that and having served his sentence the press should leave him to do so and let the public make up their own minds.
Without all the media hype I suspect he would already have a contract, albeit he'll suffer dogs abuse from the opposition fans, but for as long as his every move is reported in such a sensationalist way he'll have no chance.
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posted on 6/1/15
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many of those people signing the petition actually know the details of the case as opposed to just evans being convicted for rape.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you're an expert now?
Thousands of people object to him playing football again. rightly or wrongly there it is.
Everyone on here is a footy fan;
Would you have Evans your club?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just as Guv has mentioned above about all cases of rape being looked at individually, from what I've heard of this particular case it doesn't sound as heinous a crime that I wouldn't deny the man being given a second chance, so if he was good enough I would accept him at Spurs.
posted on 6/1/15
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many of those people signing the petition actually know the details of the case as opposed to just evans being convicted for rape.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you're an expert now?
Thousands of people object to him playing football again. rightly or wrongly there it is.
Everyone on here is a footy fan;
Would you have Evans your club?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I read a newspaper article yesterday which gave people retorts to people who were pro Ched Evans playing football again. It was a completely biased article that only argued one side and even missed out key points from the case (I have read the case notes which are on the internet).
People aren't even allowed to make their own mind up. The media is telling them what to think. That's what annoys me about this whole thing. News is never reported as it is, there is always bias.
posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 3 minutes ago
Being concerned that a convicted rapist is showing no remorse is not being politically correct, it's about having morals,.common decency, respect
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He doesn't think he's guilty. He thinks she consented. She has never said she didn't consent, she has said she doesn't remember (an expert has stated that she didn't consume enough alcohol for memory loss and the cocaine would have gone some way to negate the alcohol btw).
Only three people know what went on in that hotel room, two think she consented and one doesn't remember. Why would he show remorse if he doesn't think he committed a crime.
If you believe you were falsely accused of a crime, would you show remorse?
posted on 6/1/15
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by MARK. (U1449)
posted 4 seconds ago
wonder if the media have started tapping his phone yet
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Nah - they are all banged up following the Sun/ NoW scandals
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Yup. Everyone working in the media is the same.
I give up.
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If the cap fits Bales?
In all seriousness, there's a lot about this case which will never come to light. Only the victim and Evans will truly know what occurred in the hotel room. We are merely speculating. Two lives ruined through alcohol
posted on 6/1/15
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 10 minutes ago
This debate is making me sad.
You have no point other than apparently thinking he's alright, and been hard done by. I'll never agree, short of his conviction being overturned.
Have a nice evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That sums up how the vocal contingent of our nation argue.
Ignore valid points people make who oppose them and downplay their argument, then walk off thinking they are better than everyone else.
posted on 6/1/15
As far as crimes go, rape cases like these have got to be one such example where you can imagine innocent people being wrongfully convicted seeing as it can come down to being one person's word against another's.
posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by MARK. (U1449)
posted 4 seconds ago
wonder if the media have started tapping his phone yet
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Nah - they are all banged up following the Sun/ NoW scandals
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Yup. Everyone working in the media is the same.
I give up.
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If the cap fits Bales?
In all seriousness, there's a lot about this case which will never come to light. Only the victim and Evans will truly know what occurred in the hotel room. We are merely speculating. Two lives ruined through alcohol
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Three lives. Mcdonald must be going through a tough time also.
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Well in all fairness, he wasn't raped, didn't spend 2.5 yrs banged up - but he got his leg over. Best result probably
posted on 6/1/15
How Spurs fans saying the verdict is all that matters still call Terry a racist, despite him being found innocent?
posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 10 minutes ago
This debate is making me sad.
You have no point other than apparently thinking he's alright, and been hard done by. I'll never agree, short of his conviction being overturned.
Have a nice evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That sums up how the vocal contingent of our nation argue.
Ignore valid points people make who oppose them and downplay their argument, then walk off thinking they are better than everyone else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your point wasn't valid IMO.
Your sympathy for this man is ill placed and based on the verdict of a jury better informed than any of us will ever be, incorrect. It makes me sad because there is a victim in all of this, not only being overlooked but often blamed for what happened. It also make me sad i have to explain that.. All because this man can't take back a highly lucrative job in the public eye. He could play football for any number of clubs. He could take any number of other jobs.
Mark
Yes the mainstream media are s.cumbags mostly, we've been over this, opinion pieces on why he should (talk sport today) and didn't - the one mentioned above - reflect the public interest in this story.
Fair enough all you who'd have him. I personally would be disgusted if Spurs signed him, assuming he was good enough.
All about opinions.
posted on 6/1/15
If Ched Evans earned a living as a plumber, electrician, road sweeper or any number of other occupations there would be absolutely zero media hype surrounding the case and he would be left alone to earn a living. Because he's a footballer, the media hype is inflaming opinion against him being able to resume his usual occupation despite the fact that he's perfectly entitled to do so.
He's done the penalty imposed by the court, leave him alone to resume his job and let's see what the outcome of his attempt to get the verdict overturned is.
From the information that I've read I think there's a good chance that a lot of people will be eating a big slice of humble pie.
posted on 6/1/15
As I've stated before, it's up to the individual club, it is NOT the place of society to ban him from a particular profession.
He has served his time, and has been released, so his future employment should be between him and the potential employer (and their fans/sponsors) and is nobody else's business.
If society wishes to punish people further, then campaign for longer prison sentences
posted on 6/1/15
Harry's
You talk as if footballers never make the papers.
They only get paid what they do because they're famous, because people all over the world admire their ability, kids want shirts with their names on, grown men want to read books about their lives and so on.
Comparing them to the average person on the street is not helpful and adds little to the debate at hand.
People may have to eat humble pie if his conviction is overturned. He should be doing that already, if he had a lot of this media circus could've been avoided.
Marlon King and Lee Hughes found clubs after they'd been to prison.. but poor old Ched.. do me a favour
posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
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posted on 6/1/15
That poor girl.
Sorry, that's me being PC again.
posted on 6/1/15
Plenty will be revealed at the appeal I'm sure.
I wish I could be so certain of his guilt or innocence as some are, because it'd make things a lot easier.
It's naive to think it couldn't happen.
It's also naive to think accusation s like this aren't fabricated.
The truth is, none of us know for sure. Worst case is he did it, and in that case he has served his time.
posted on 6/1/15
It's not about us being sure, it's about respecting the rule of law.
And no, the worst thing is not just if he's done it, it's that he done it then showed no remorse for his crime.
posted on 6/1/15
Bales.
How would you suggest he show contrition, apologise? For what? If he's convinced he had s ex consensually he has absolutely nothing to apologise for and it would massively prejudice his chance of getting the verdict overturned. He can't apologise even if he wants to and in his view has no reason to do so.
The law is the law regardless of whether the perpetrator is a city banker or a crack head bum, if he's served his sentence he is legally entitled to resume his previous occupation ........... if the press will get off his case and let him get on with it.
The fact that you personally disagree is irrelevant, you have the choice whether you pay to see a game that he may play in, all I'm saying is he's entitled to do that and having served his sentence the press should leave him to do so and let the public make up their own minds.
Without all the media hype I suspect he would already have a contract, albeit he'll suffer dogs abuse from the opposition fans, but for as long as his every move is reported in such a sensationalist way he'll have no chance.
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