As I said to someone earlier, plenty of people have been convicted and not actually committed the crime.

I'm a lot of cases there is a weight of evidence, but unfortunately in this there is not. Personally I couldn't convict if I was on a jury because the evidence is too flimsy, and you have to be certain.

I've sat on a jury and in my case people were basing their decision on emotion, not evidence.

I agree that my opinion is irrelevant to whether he'll get a well paid job in football.

Unfortunately for his supporters (why the heck anyone cares about him idk) tens of thousands share my opinion. I was simply helping those of you that don't understand or agree to see where they're coming from

Football clubs rely on the media, players use it to further their careers and earn new contracts, lucrative transfers.. You can't have it both ways cos it doesn't suit what you want at that time.. ask Gazza and his family.

I'm honestly not even sure if the original verdict can be overturned now, but I am convinced I wouldn't want a convicted rapist at Spurs, and as such I can sympathise with those that don't want him at their club.

Yeah a lot of cases blah blah.. were you in the jury for the Ched Evans trial HRH?

comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's not about us being sure, it's about respecting the rule of law.

And no, the worst thing is not just if he's done it, it's that he done it then showed no remorse for his crime.
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Bales - I like you and your forthright views and the articulate way in which you present your opinions

However I totally disagree with you on this one. I've read the defence arguments (albeit without response from the CPS ) and the conviction does seem flimsy.

But the worse thing about this case is not his lack of remorse but the possibility that an innocent person has been found guilty of a crime he did not commit.

The Supreme Court will rule on this matter in early 2016 and until then we will all speculate and have differing opinions

comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 1 minute ago
I agree that my opinion is irrelevant to whether he'll get a well paid job in football.

Unfortunately for his supporters (why the heck anyone cares about him idk) tens of thousands share my opinion. I was simply helping those of you that don't understand or agree to see where they're coming from

Football clubs rely on the media, players use it to further their careers and earn new contracts, lucrative transfers.. You can't have it both ways cos it doesn't suit what you want at that time.. ask Gazza and his family.

I'm honestly not even sure if the original verdict can be overturned now, but I am convinced I wouldn't want a convicted rapist at Spurs, and as such I can sympathise with those that don't want him at their club.
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I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.















But you're wrong

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 minutes ago
As I said to someone earlier, plenty of people have been convicted and not actually committed the crime.

I'm a lot of cases there is a weight of evidence, but unfortunately in this there is not. Personally I couldn't convict if I was on a jury because the evidence is too flimsy, and you have to be certain.

I've sat on a jury and in my case people were basing their decision on emotion, not evidence.
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HRH - me too

Was on a jury judging a bloke for death by dangerous driving. One of the first comments by a fellow juror (just and true? ) was "oh come on - let's find him guilty then we can all go home"

There have been miscarriages of justice in the past Bales. Very big ones. Not to say this is one, but the rule of law isn't absolute I'm afraid, and a Jury's verdict isn't always correct.

You are quite the baby at times

Mighty

Very very similar experience to you mate . Actually got me angry

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Fair enough Mighty

I've read the events of the trial and I think something more went on.. otherwise they would've found both of them guilty. That's just my gut though.

I think that's a good place to leave it for now

comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 minutes ago
As I said to someone earlier, plenty of people have been convicted and not actually committed the crime.

I'm a lot of cases there is a weight of evidence, but unfortunately in this there is not. Personally I couldn't convict if I was on a jury because the evidence is too flimsy, and you have to be certain.

I've sat on a jury and in my case people were basing their decision on emotion, not evidence.
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HRH - me too

Was on a jury judging a bloke for death by dangerous driving. One of the first comments by a fellow juror (just and true?) was "oh come on - let's find him guilty then we can all go home"
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That's fackin ridiculous!

I'm a baby HRH?

Read what I'm supposed to respond to.

That doesn't even make sense Harrys

I know

comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 1 minute ago
Fair enough Mighty

I've read the events of the trial and I think something more went on.. otherwise they would've found both of them guilty. That's just my gut though.

I think that's a good place to leave it for now
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comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 10 minutes ago
As I said to someone earlier, plenty of people have been convicted and not actually committed the crime.

I'm a lot of cases there is a weight of evidence, but unfortunately in this there is not. Personally I couldn't convict if I was on a jury because the evidence is too flimsy, and you have to be certain.

I've sat on a jury and in my case people were basing their decision on emotion, not evidence.
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HRH - me too

Was on a jury judging a bloke for death by dangerous driving. One of the first comments by a fellow juror (just and true?) was "oh come on - let's find him guilty then we can all go home"
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That's fackin ridiculous!
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Fackin too right!! In the end we did find him guilty but after 3 days of debate and examining both sides of the argument. He got banged up for 4 years.

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Hmm, not difficult to see why the jury may have been keen to bring the case to a conclusion on the Friday.

comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Bãlès (U3582)
posted 10 minutes ago

This debate is making me sad.

You have no point other than apparently thinking he's alright, and been hard done by. I'll never agree, short of his conviction being overturned.

Have a nice evening.
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That sums up how the vocal contingent of our nation argue.

Ignore valid points people make who oppose them and downplay their argument, then walk off thinking they are better than everyone else.
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Your point wasn't valid IMO.

Your sympathy for this man is ill placed and based on the verdict of a jury better informed than any of us will ever be, incorrect. It makes me sad because there is a victim in all of this, not only being overlooked but often blamed for what happened. It also make me sad i have to explain that.. All because this man can't take back a highly lucrative job in the public eye. He could play football for any number of clubs. He could take any number of other jobs.
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Who says I feel sympathy for him? I haven't stated my opinion on whether or not I think he is guilty. I couldn't care less if he plays football again or not, even if he had falsely been found guilty, what he did was in bad taste particularly as he had a girlfriend.

What I have a problem with is the media's witch hunt, where they report an opinion rather than fact. Then people jumping on the bandwagon without even knowing the full facts. Honestly, how many people that signed that petition do you think have actually looked past the headlines into this case? These are the same people who are dismissive of anyone else's opinion, regardless of how well they have educated themselves on the subject.

These people who haven't looked into the facts, how many of them do you think will actually eat humble pie and come out admitting they were wrong if the decision is overturned on appeal. How many of the public figures who have campaigned will do the same?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Its a tough situation for me, as through reintegration standards he should be allowed to play football, so people should stop trying to ruin his chance to play football. Whether or not I agree with that is another matter.

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