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Its a horrible situation for the girl imo. I havent read all the comments here, but it seems a lot of people think this is just a drunk guy and drunk girl getting it on. Well no, its far more serious than that.
The girl meets MacDonald at 4am and agrees to go back to the hotel with him. That's all it should have ever been - MacDonald and the girl going back to a hotel together. But MacDonald texts Evans saying "I've got the bird".
Evans, at about 4.30am, decides to stop whatever he was doing and go out of his way to turn up at the hotel, to basically join in with MacDonald, without the girls consent. Even after MacDonald left, Evans continued, as if she's just free for anyone. Evans then leaves out a fire escape, the girl wakes up hours later and knows she's been violated.
She didn't consent to Evans, she consented to MacDonald. As such, Evans has rightly been convicted, as he completely took advantage of her.
The lack of remorse since leaving prison is a disgrace, his website's a disgrace. These are both reasons to view Evans in a very dim light. But the primary reason to despise Evans, is that he raped someone, its that simple imo.
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Devon,
If you believed you were innocent, would you show remorse.
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Exactly - and this is the point people cannot seem to grasp.
Barry George didnt apologise for killing Jill Dando when he was prisoned. Why? because he was innocent and he proved it some 9 years later.
Obviously its a horrible crime when comitted but i wonder whether, if he proves himself to be innocent in his appeal, that the people publicly criticisng him and mocking him without even knowing the true facts, will come out so boldly to publicly apologise to Ched?
The people against him playing football dont actually care that he will be playing football - they are just jealous because he will be very well paid.
I hope he proves his innocence and then there will be a lot of egg on a lot of people's faces....
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He tried for appeal and it was rejected.
He is now reliant on securing extra evidence for a re-trial. Not sure how he's doing with that but his website asks for people to come forward
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true, but most a refusing to forgive him, despite him serving time, because he has shown no remorse
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Again, why should he be remorseful if he genuinely believes he is innocent?
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I think the key difference between Mcdonald getting off and Ched getting convicted is that the girl consented to going back to the hotel with McDonald. The CCTV shows her willingly doing this, and statements support it.
She (apparently) didn't initially consent to Ched joining them. He turned up later, once he'd been texted about it. The only evidence of consent after this is from the accused statements.
It's very tricky. You read his website, and it's hard not to think that he's been stitched up, but that's obviously what the website wants you to think. At the same time, what Scouting for Goals said above is true - the initial consent wasn't for Ched.
We weren't in the room, so will never really know. You could have a strong opinion either way and be wrong.
I'm guessing that the deleted facebook messages are absolutely critical, I find it hard to believe that there aren't digital traces somewhere?
You could have a strong opinion either way and be wrong.
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That's the point - how can you convict and sentence a man for 5 years when it is virtually impossible to say to an acceptable degree that he raped her?
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It essentially boils down to - he admitted having séx with her. He says it was with consent, she can't remember (NOT she said no). If she can't remember saying yes or no, and the rest of the evidence points to her being up for it (not to mention the evidence suggesting she wasn't actually that drunk by 4-4:30am) then surely you cannot convict.
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Its a horrible situation for the girl imo. I havent read all the comments here, but it seems a lot of people think this is just a drunk guy and drunk girl getting it on. Well no, its far more serious than that.
The girl meets MacDonald at 4am and agrees to go back to the hotel with him. That's all it should have ever been - MacDonald and the girl going back to a hotel together. But MacDonald texts Evans saying "I've got the bird".
Evans, at about 4.30am, decides to stop whatever he was doing and go out of his way to turn up at the hotel, to basically join in with MacDonald, without the girls consent. Even after MacDonald left, Evans continued, as if she's just free for anyone. Evans then leaves out a fire escape, the girl wakes up hours later and knows she's been violated.
She didn't consent to Evans, she consented to MacDonald. As such, Evans has rightly been convicted, as he completely took advantage of her.
The lack of remorse since leaving prison is a disgrace, his website's a disgrace. These are both reasons to view Evans in a very dim light. But the primary reason to despise Evans, is that he raped someone, its that simple imo.
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Devon,
If you believed you were innocent, would you show remorse.
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Exactly - and this is the point people cannot seem to grasp.
Barry George didnt apologise for killing Jill Dando when he was prisoned. Why? because he was innocent and he proved it some 9 years later.
Obviously its a horrible crime when comitted but i wonder whether, if he proves himself to be innocent in his appeal, that the people publicly criticisng him and mocking him without even knowing the true facts, will come out so boldly to publicly apologise to Ched?
The people against him playing football dont actually care that he will be playing football - they are just jealous because he will be very well paid.
I hope he proves his innocence and then there will be a lot of egg on a lot of people's faces....
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He tried for appeal and it was rejected.
He is now reliant on securing extra evidence for a re-trial. Not sure how he's doing with that but his website asks for people to come forward
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true, but most a refusing to forgive him, despite him serving time, because he has shown no remorse
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Again, why should he be remorseful if he genuinely believes he is innocent?
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I think the key difference between Mcdonald getting off and Ched getting convicted is that the girl consented to going back to the hotel with McDonald. The CCTV shows her willingly doing this, and statements support it.
She (apparently) didn't initially consent to Ched joining them. He turned up later, once he'd been texted about it. The only evidence of consent after this is from the accused statements.
It's very tricky. You read his website, and it's hard not to think that he's been stitched up, but that's obviously what the website wants you to think. At the same time, what Scouting for Goals said above is true - the initial consent wasn't for Ched.
We weren't in the room, so will never really know. You could have a strong opinion either way and be wrong.
I'm guessing that the deleted facebook messages are absolutely critical, I find it hard to believe that there aren't digital traces somewhere?
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You could have a strong opinion either way and be wrong.
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That's the point - how can you convict and sentence a man for 5 years when it is virtually impossible to say to an acceptable degree that he raped her?
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It essentially boils down to - he admitted having séx with her. He says it was with consent, she can't remember (NOT she said no). If she can't remember saying yes or no, and the rest of the evidence points to her being up for it (not to mention the evidence suggesting she wasn't actually that drunk by 4-4:30am) then surely you cannot convict.
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