Agree on th eshort passing, he is good at that and tries to slip a ball forward to one of our attackers playing between the lines, and it's been easier to see this in the current 343 line up.
Right now, in this formation I think he should play beside Henderson, that's the best pairing to play in the middle.
We probably need to find another player who can do that role, Can perhaps? With Stevie leaving I hope we go out in the summer and buy a ready made CM to come into the first 11.
To be honest all I really want to see transfer wise is 2 or 3 ready made players (one being a keeper) this summer.
Yeah he's a good player, hope we keep him. He has his limitations, he's quite slow and is pretty useless in the final third, but he's a solid DM.
For games against the smaller teams in this formation, Id prefer we play with 2 box to box players in midfield, ie Can and Hendo. In bigger games, he should play.
You're right!
He's no Xabi Alonso!
I think he's getting better with every game, he seems over the injury now and as long as Rodgers keeps picking him he will do well for us.
I think thats a good point. He suffered two serious injuries fairly close to one another and it has (understandably) taken some time to come back from those.
What to do with him?
Play him in most games.We need to be tighter at the back as confidence is still low, he will help shore it up.
Lucas is not really a DM is he? He is all over pitch breaking play, recycling the ball, pass and move. This is something that Song does but also has the ability in the final 3rd with the extra pace and power.
Lucas is more disciplined defensively than Gerrard but overall we need someone that is better.
Why would we need a defensive midfielder when we are playing 3 central defencers?
If we continue with 3-4-2-1 formation then Henderson & Can should be starting in the middle.
Saying that..Lucas should remain part of the squad if we cant find someone better.
Leiva la vida Lucas {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
We need a midfielder who can drop in to the vacant full back position so the three defenders arent always being dragged across the pitch. It would be the DMs role in a back 4 to cover a full back attacking
Use the whole team to squeeze the space on the side of the attacking fullback.
Think of Pogba & Vidal....both alternate between attacking and defending...which is what i'll expect Hendo and Can to do.
Not enough goals from Lucas. Even defenders score more than him.
You want someone who would at least be a threat from set pieces even as a defensive midfielder.
Lucas doesn't.
comment by Leiva la vida Lucas {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Use the whole team to squeeze the space on the side of the attacking fullback.
Think of Pogba & Vidal....both alternate between attacking and defending...which is what i'll expect Hendo and Can to do.
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Yeah. But in Pogba&Vidal you have 2 world-class players and 2 of the best midfielders in the World...
In Henderson&Can, well... you don't...
We need a player who is good off the ball in midfield, Henderson is decent, but is more suited to a tactical pressing system as opposed to using his brain to induvidually break up attacks. Can is the same.
Pogba&Vidal are smart enough off the ball for Juve to justify playing 2 box-to-box midfielders. Not to mention they have one of the most intelligent players ever playing behind them most of the time. Granted he doesn't actually do a lot of donkey work, but still.
He has improved this season, but then he had to. At times he has been too much of a liability, giving away needless free kicks in dangerous areas, far, far too many times for my liking.
JimmyTheRed
A Liverpool team SERIOUS about winning titles and trophies needs to find better quality than Lucas. When you think of Mascherano or Didi Hamaan, Lucas isn't in that league. As long as we have players of Lucas' standard, we won't win much.
How much did Hamann and Mascherano win with us? Just curious
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posted on 6/1/15
Agree on th eshort passing, he is good at that and tries to slip a ball forward to one of our attackers playing between the lines, and it's been easier to see this in the current 343 line up.
Right now, in this formation I think he should play beside Henderson, that's the best pairing to play in the middle.
We probably need to find another player who can do that role, Can perhaps? With Stevie leaving I hope we go out in the summer and buy a ready made CM to come into the first 11.
To be honest all I really want to see transfer wise is 2 or 3 ready made players (one being a keeper) this summer.
posted on 6/1/15
Yeah he's a good player, hope we keep him. He has his limitations, he's quite slow and is pretty useless in the final third, but he's a solid DM.
For games against the smaller teams in this formation, Id prefer we play with 2 box to box players in midfield, ie Can and Hendo. In bigger games, he should play.
posted on 6/1/15
You're right!
He's no Xabi Alonso!
posted on 6/1/15
I think he's getting better with every game, he seems over the injury now and as long as Rodgers keeps picking him he will do well for us.
posted on 6/1/15
I think thats a good point. He suffered two serious injuries fairly close to one another and it has (understandably) taken some time to come back from those.
posted on 6/1/15
What to do with him?
Play him in most games.We need to be tighter at the back as confidence is still low, he will help shore it up.
posted on 6/1/15
Lucas is not really a DM is he? He is all over pitch breaking play, recycling the ball, pass and move. This is something that Song does but also has the ability in the final 3rd with the extra pace and power.
Lucas is more disciplined defensively than Gerrard but overall we need someone that is better.
posted on 6/1/15
Why would we need a defensive midfielder when we are playing 3 central defencers?
If we continue with 3-4-2-1 formation then Henderson & Can should be starting in the middle.
posted on 6/1/15
Saying that..Lucas should remain part of the squad if we cant find someone better.
posted on 6/1/15
Leiva la vida Lucas {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
We need a midfielder who can drop in to the vacant full back position so the three defenders arent always being dragged across the pitch. It would be the DMs role in a back 4 to cover a full back attacking
posted on 6/1/15
Use the whole team to squeeze the space on the side of the attacking fullback.
Think of Pogba & Vidal....both alternate between attacking and defending...which is what i'll expect Hendo and Can to do.
posted on 6/1/15
Not enough goals from Lucas. Even defenders score more than him.
You want someone who would at least be a threat from set pieces even as a defensive midfielder.
Lucas doesn't.
posted on 6/1/15
comment by Leiva la vida Lucas {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Use the whole team to squeeze the space on the side of the attacking fullback.
Think of Pogba & Vidal....both alternate between attacking and defending...which is what i'll expect Hendo and Can to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah. But in Pogba&Vidal you have 2 world-class players and 2 of the best midfielders in the World...
In Henderson&Can, well... you don't...
We need a player who is good off the ball in midfield, Henderson is decent, but is more suited to a tactical pressing system as opposed to using his brain to induvidually break up attacks. Can is the same.
Pogba&Vidal are smart enough off the ball for Juve to justify playing 2 box-to-box midfielders. Not to mention they have one of the most intelligent players ever playing behind them most of the time. Granted he doesn't actually do a lot of donkey work, but still.
posted on 6/1/15
He has improved this season, but then he had to. At times he has been too much of a liability, giving away needless free kicks in dangerous areas, far, far too many times for my liking.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 7/1/15
A Liverpool team SERIOUS about winning titles and trophies needs to find better quality than Lucas. When you think of Mascherano or Didi Hamaan, Lucas isn't in that league. As long as we have players of Lucas' standard, we won't win much.
posted on 7/1/15
How much did Hamann and Mascherano win with us? Just curious
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