Even against Chelsea, we actually tried to follow a much more conservative approach this year

comment by Cereal Spiller - Exhales as zinc (U12126)
posted 2 minutes ago
Even against Chelsea, we actually tried to follow a much more conservative approach this year
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Agree with you mate. Individual class from Chelsea was the reason they won the game.


Even yesterday he nearly disrupted our shape by taking off Chamberlain and placing Rosicky on the flank. Should've taken off Ramsey who was shattered.
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Disagree with you on that. The Ox had an average game at best. Ramsey helped Coquelin to defend. Wenger's subbs were spot on yesterday. Would have prefered Rosicky to start the game but we won and Wenger was right.

Ox may not have been great. But his power and pace offers another outlet for the team.

Ramsey played well, Ox didnt do much so was rightly subbed.

I didnt watch the Chelsea match but heard we were quite unlucky. Cahill should have seen red before the chelsea pen and we had a couple of golden moments.

comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 1 minute ago
Ox may not have been great. But his power and pace offers another outlet for the team.
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In general yes but yesterday his passing was not good enough, he lost the ball too many times in dangerous positions.

IMO the first question AW should be (or have been) asked is why did he not adopt a similar approach many years ago, as with the players he has had at his disposal, (since the Emirates move) it is apparent he could have achieved a great deal more had he done so.

What absolute rubbish. Wenger did say that Arsenal tried this many times before. But when the players let in an early goal, what's the point of defending that? He does have a point because if you look at games against Bayern,Barca......they adopted similar tactics. Unfortunately for some reason, maybe the warm-up routines or pre-match routines were wrong. You can't go into a big away game and start slowly. For example, look at the start of the 2nd half yesterday. For some reason the players came out un-prepared, it was gung-ho for 10 min before the players got back into their groove. Bould & Wenger were both shaking their heads in disbelief. Maybe it's a question of Arsene not training the players enough on rigid discipline given how he favors individual player freedom.

I just think everyone is going overboard with these assessments.

For example, look at the start of the 2nd half yesterday. For some reason the players came out un-prepared, it was gung-ho for 10 min before the players got back into their groove.
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Well we played Manchester City who are the Champions away from home and not a pub team.

Expected City to do better than they did in the first half and try to create pressure on our defense. So you can't say we were un-prepared....City is a class team.

Am I the only person who thinks that it was the players that got the result for Arsenal yesterday and not Wenger's masterful coaching or tactics?

Magumboots

Can you recall many games in which AW has adopted two banks of four for the majority of the game?

The possession we had was also the lowest since opta began producing stats.

On a side note I believe we certainly defended set pieces better than have done all season.

Look carefully and you will see Ramsey was galavanting all over the pitch. Bellerin was starting to think he was Christiano Ronaldo. Even Coquelin made an un-warranted foray onto the edge of the City box. Look at the footage of Bould scratching his head in disbelief. Putting together tactics is one thing, training the players to execute in a disciplined way is another.

As Arsene mentioned, how many big away games have Arsenal conceded an early goal?

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 28 seconds ago
Magumboots

Can you recall many games in which AW has adopted two banks of four for the majority of the game?

The possession we had was also the lowest since opta began producing stats.

On a side note I believe we certainly defended set pieces better than have done all season.
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Yes the FA cup final in 2005, we were absolutely battered for 120mins and won on penalty.

I think that game might have convinced Arsene that parking the bus was not for him

comment by Wild_ Rover (U5211)
posted 3 minutes ago
Am I the only person who thinks that it was the players that got the result for Arsenal yesterday and not Wenger's masterful coaching or tactics?
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The same players who got battered 6-3, 6-0, 5-1 last season? If you give players credit Wenger deserves equal amount too.

At the time, I actually thought Wenger called it wrong to take Ox off for Rosicky, even though Ox was average, simply because Ramsey was practically at the brink of collapsing in an exhausted mess. However it turned out to be the right decision once the remainder of the game panned out.

Don't think I can fault Wenger at all yesterday, got line up, tactics, and subs all spot on, just hope he continues it or else we're not really progressing, as I think Neville and Thierry mentioned yesterday. All good doing it for one game, now we need to show it more regularly.

Magumboots

There were certain exceptions but on the main the team set up not to lose, get numbers behind the ball and counter.

Think it is widely accepted by all who watched the match that there was a obvious change in approach.

Ox needs to improve his fitness, he gets tired really early.

Anyway we played defensively against Utd the last couple of times and got criticised for how we played because we didn't win. Tactics is one thing but the players still have to play well.

Against Pool we were 2-0 down from set pieces which is nothing to do with tactics, at Chelsea last season if players lose the balls in silly places or make mistakes don't know that can be put down to tactics.

Last season all four batterings were away from home in early kick offs, don't think that's a coincidence. Yeah we've been too open at times but if you analyse each game and how we played in the last few years you can't say that we always for it wrong.

Good comment 9bit

I wasn't overjoyed by Ramsey's performance personally, since he kept playing like a striker. However, when Ox went off, it was probably important to have counterattacking options and Ramsey obliged.

Ramsey does need to curb his attacking instincts in some of the big games, and think about the collective

Also, Dubbed used to be less depressed than this. What happened?
Castor and Batmanu are more bullish on the team than Dubbed is nowadays!

So playing the likes of Cazorla and Ozil on the wing or Wilshere behind the striker as a result massively limiting our play has nothing to do with Wenger.

Cereal
Come on. Is that a serious question? I'm just tired of watching the same movie over and over again. Yesterday was a pleasant surprise though.

Well that honeymoon period was over quite fast. We are back into slagging off Wenger

comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 11 minutes ago
Cereal
Come on. Is that a serious question? I'm just tired of watching the same movie over and over again. Yesterday was a pleasant surprise though.
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Heh I understand that point of course. Very frustrating first half to the season. But a day like yesterday does elicit some praise for the manager, no?

Back? What is this guy on about? You sound like those silly opposition fans who label gooners fickle when in fact it's simply people who have different opinion.