Ggg
Yes it is ridiculous. SAF messed that one up a bit. He would not have let that happen 20 years earlier.
I'm starting to think that maybe it would have been better if we had kept him.
I wouldn't go for him tbf. Yes, yes, i know! Shock! Horror!
He is too expensive. He seems like a character who would be off to Real/Barca at any given opportunity; his agent is quite the tw at; and he is not Messi/CR. He would not automatically transform our CM worries.
With that money, we could reinforce a few more positions and be stronger for it. Personally i'd go for the very underrated Roma's Pjanic ( a better footballer than POGBA IMO) or if Gundogan can recover form/fitness, him!
Depends how we are goinh to set up. Thats why it's hard to say he we need to sign.
I still think we need a couple of quality wingers. But if Van Gaal is going to persist with this set up then we don't.
Hopefully Reus and a promising young winger are on the radar and then we can bin 352 (and Young and Valencia).
We definitely need a winger or even two!
That was my point - with 80+ million, we could hypothetically get a Reus, Hummels (whom i don't want but who is an improvement on what we have) and a Pjanic etc and still have change.
Spunking most of our budget on a Pogba - who is unproven in the league, familiar and prefers a 3-man CM- no matter how outrageously talented he is, is not my cup of tea, IMO.
Yep completely agree.
I do think Pjanic is more suited to a three man midfield as well. So it's still hard to say what is needed until we sort out the Mata, Rooney, RVP and Falcao conundrum.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Yep completely agree.
I do think Pjanic is more suited to a three man midfield as well. So it's still hard to say what is needed until we sort out the Mata, Rooney, RVP and Falcao conundrum.
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Refuse to sign Falcao permanently.
Have RVP on a pay-as-you-play basis (post contract off). Push Captain up top as the main man.
Have RVP-Mata-Roo axis rotating with only two playing.
Solved.
Yeah I hold a similar view. Not sure whether Pjanic would fit into a midfield with those options, though.
I still have hopes we'll sign Vidal. For all the money we've spent in midfield we still lack a player that can physically dominate the middle of the park.
I agree Pjanic might not. But he is such an elegant passer of the ball (one of the finest in the world right now) but he barely gets a mention.
With Carrick in the autumn of his career and with ADM's profligacy with possession, we need a guy who keeps things ticking nicely there and with intent (Blind is not an elite player - i am a fan though).
I also agree we need a physically imposing player. But IMO, Pogba is not that. He might be big and black but it is not his game. For France for e.g., Matuidi is! So in that respect, Vidal would be perfect but i don't see us signing him myself.
Yep I agree with all of that, especially about Pogba's game - he's more finesse than brute force, despite being physically imposing.
I see his future more as an attacking midfielder than a cm. I don't think he's disciplined enough to reach the top playing deeper and his skills are more suited to making things happen in the final third rather than running things from deep.
I like the idea of Vidal and Herrera in midfield. Probably lacking in terms of ball retention compared to Europe's best but I think has all the attributes to succeed in the prem.
Indeed. For me Pogba is more Gerrard(but with better skill and technique) than Xavi. Gerrard's best of which he was an AM behind Torres. And we all know Gerrard does/did not have the discipline to play a sitting CM.
Yep for sure.
It's why, despite him being an immense talent, I've never been that sold on the idea that he'd have been dominating midfields playing next to Carrick.
He's had a lot of security playing alongside Pirlo, Marchisio and Pogba, which has allowed him develop better as a player.
Guys. -pogba is equally capable of winning the ball in CM as he is scoring a belter. Let's stop trying to create problems to justify us letting him go.
He is exactly what we need, we should have kept him And although it would cost a fortune, I still believe we, should go for him.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 9 minutes ago
In other news, shergar's been kidnapped
.............
To be fair though Macca, you have only just found out about Shergar.
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Tw4t
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 11 hours, 40 minutes ago
I wouldn't go for him tbf. Yes, yes, i know! Shock! Horror!
He is too expensive. He seems like a character who would be off to Real/Barca at any given opportunity; his agent is quite the tw at; and he is not Messi/CR. He would not automatically transform our CM worries.
With that money, we could reinforce a few more positions and be stronger for it. Personally i'd go for the very underrated Roma's Pjanic ( a better footballer than POGBA IMO) or if Gundogan can recover form/fitness, him!
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You don't want a future ballon d'or winner trc?
Oh, your comment about him being big and black I found a little crass. Not like you tbf
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 hours, 31 minutes ago
Depends how we are goinh to set up. Thats why it's hard to say he we need to sign.
I still think we need a couple of quality wingers. But if Van Gaal is going to persist with this set up then we don't.
Hopefully Reus and a promising young winger are on the radar and then we can bin 352 (and Young and Valencia).
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Darren
Young has arguably been our best outfield player this season
I understand when United fans have pre conceived perceptions on our players but we have to give credit where it's due.
Young this season has been defending yet mullering fullbacks. I think were missing him personally
Not trying to justify us letting him go, just discussing his actual attributes as a footballer - all singing, all dancing and all dominating central midfielder he is not.
Not buying into the Young hype, Macca. He's a poor winger playing above average as a wing back. I can give him credit for that. However, it doesn't change my opinion that he's a shocking winger and I want us to build a squad with wingers and him and Valencia have no place at this club as wingers.
What can't he do exactly Darren?
It's not really a case of what he can't do. It's about what he actually does and how that fits our needs.
We need a central midfielder that can dominate the middle of the park. That's not really something Pogba does, nor has he proven he can do it as the main man in the premier league - Juve have by far the best midfield in Serie A, so he's got all the freedom in the world to express himself.
Paying £80m, despite his talent, would be a waste of money when we could conceivably make ourselves a much stronger side in more than one position with that sort of money.
Right so it's not about what he can't do but then you go on to say he can't "dominate the middle of the park" and that he hasn't proven he can be "the main man in the premier league"
Couple of things. He is 22 and hasn't played in the Prem so I'm not sure how he could ever meet your criteria of being the "main man in the prem" unless we or somebody else gave him a shot,
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by he isn't capable of "dominating the middle" firstly, Who does dominate the middle of the park and secondly, what can they do that pogba cannot?
Does he have the physical presence and stamina of Matic? Yes
Can he do the defensive work? Yes
Does he read the game well? Yes
Does he have the energy to get box to box? Yes
Can he beat a man? Yes
Can he score a goal? Yes
I'm not sure what's to like. No CM isn't the only area that needs strengthening but CM is a key area where we miss a player of the calibre of matic, toure, Kroos,
He is a quality player but I would even e upset with us paying 40m for him.
No thanks
No because you're asking questions based on FIFA attributes rather than what he actually does on the pitch.
£80m for him is a joke. He's probably not even Juve's best midfield player. He may well go on to become one of the finest in the game. But I don't think he fixes our immediate needs, and at that price you'd expect him to.
We won't sign him anyway so I'm content with the fact we won't waste £80m on him. Hopefully we'll put that money to better use.
I keep asking people, who are his partners in midfield in Juve, they do not like answering the question.
Serie A is not the league it used to be and I would be careful about making signings for huge amounts of money from there
URM, if my comment about big and black then apologies...
In an ideal world, would i want Pogba? of course i would. However, i have laid out my stall as to why the move would not appeal to me nor would it best for all the parties concerned.
DTKF has further elucidated better my points. We have a frightening strike force yet we are struggling to score goals.
Pogba is not the panacea for our pattern of play, IMO. And i refuse to get blown away with the hype.
Darren - I don't use FIFA or football manager bud. My assessment of pogba is based on matches and footage watched and the many rave reviews from the likes of pirlo, Viera, deschamps, zidane and others better qualified to rate him than you or I.
I agree £80m is steep, as was £60m for di Maria, £32m for Herrera and £27m for shaw but unfortunately that's the position we find ourselves in due to our need for top players and the fact the whole world knows we will pay big for them.
You say we need a CM to dominate the middle of the park But you haven't said what that mean or who you think currently does that.
I have told you what pogba can do and I think that meets our immediate needs.
Mud - yes pogba has good players along side him but that doesn't man he isn't any good. I'm guessing many would take Vidal and iv seen many talk about pjanic Matic came from a much weaker league and hasn't looked out of place has he?
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posted on 29/1/15
Ggg
Yes it is ridiculous. SAF messed that one up a bit. He would not have let that happen 20 years earlier.
posted on 29/1/15
I'm starting to think that maybe it would have been better if we had kept him.
posted on 29/1/15
I wouldn't go for him tbf. Yes, yes, i know! Shock! Horror!
He is too expensive. He seems like a character who would be off to Real/Barca at any given opportunity; his agent is quite the tw at; and he is not Messi/CR. He would not automatically transform our CM worries.
With that money, we could reinforce a few more positions and be stronger for it. Personally i'd go for the very underrated Roma's Pjanic ( a better footballer than POGBA IMO) or if Gundogan can recover form/fitness, him!
posted on 29/1/15
Depends how we are goinh to set up. Thats why it's hard to say he we need to sign.
I still think we need a couple of quality wingers. But if Van Gaal is going to persist with this set up then we don't.
Hopefully Reus and a promising young winger are on the radar and then we can bin 352 (and Young and Valencia).
posted on 29/1/15
We definitely need a winger or even two!
That was my point - with 80+ million, we could hypothetically get a Reus, Hummels (whom i don't want but who is an improvement on what we have) and a Pjanic etc and still have change.
Spunking most of our budget on a Pogba - who is unproven in the league, familiar and prefers a 3-man CM- no matter how outrageously talented he is, is not my cup of tea, IMO.
posted on 29/1/15
Yep completely agree.
I do think Pjanic is more suited to a three man midfield as well. So it's still hard to say what is needed until we sort out the Mata, Rooney, RVP and Falcao conundrum.
posted on 29/1/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Yep completely agree.
I do think Pjanic is more suited to a three man midfield as well. So it's still hard to say what is needed until we sort out the Mata, Rooney, RVP and Falcao conundrum.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Refuse to sign Falcao permanently.
Have RVP on a pay-as-you-play basis (post contract off). Push Captain up top as the main man.
Have RVP-Mata-Roo axis rotating with only two playing.
Solved.
posted on 29/1/15
Yeah I hold a similar view. Not sure whether Pjanic would fit into a midfield with those options, though.
I still have hopes we'll sign Vidal. For all the money we've spent in midfield we still lack a player that can physically dominate the middle of the park.
posted on 29/1/15
I agree Pjanic might not. But he is such an elegant passer of the ball (one of the finest in the world right now) but he barely gets a mention.
With Carrick in the autumn of his career and with ADM's profligacy with possession, we need a guy who keeps things ticking nicely there and with intent (Blind is not an elite player - i am a fan though).
I also agree we need a physically imposing player. But IMO, Pogba is not that. He might be big and black but it is not his game. For France for e.g., Matuidi is! So in that respect, Vidal would be perfect but i don't see us signing him myself.
posted on 29/1/15
Yep I agree with all of that, especially about Pogba's game - he's more finesse than brute force, despite being physically imposing.
I see his future more as an attacking midfielder than a cm. I don't think he's disciplined enough to reach the top playing deeper and his skills are more suited to making things happen in the final third rather than running things from deep.
I like the idea of Vidal and Herrera in midfield. Probably lacking in terms of ball retention compared to Europe's best but I think has all the attributes to succeed in the prem.
posted on 29/1/15
Indeed. For me Pogba is more Gerrard(but with better skill and technique) than Xavi. Gerrard's best of which he was an AM behind Torres. And we all know Gerrard does/did not have the discipline to play a sitting CM.
posted on 29/1/15
Yep for sure.
It's why, despite him being an immense talent, I've never been that sold on the idea that he'd have been dominating midfields playing next to Carrick.
He's had a lot of security playing alongside Pirlo, Marchisio and Pogba, which has allowed him develop better as a player.
posted on 30/1/15
Guys. -pogba is equally capable of winning the ball in CM as he is scoring a belter. Let's stop trying to create problems to justify us letting him go.
He is exactly what we need, we should have kept him And although it would cost a fortune, I still believe we, should go for him.
posted on 30/1/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 9 minutes ago
In other news, shergar's been kidnapped
.............
To be fair though Macca, you have only just found out about Shergar.
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Tw4t
posted on 30/1/15
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 11 hours, 40 minutes ago
I wouldn't go for him tbf. Yes, yes, i know! Shock! Horror!
He is too expensive. He seems like a character who would be off to Real/Barca at any given opportunity; his agent is quite the tw at; and he is not Messi/CR. He would not automatically transform our CM worries.
With that money, we could reinforce a few more positions and be stronger for it. Personally i'd go for the very underrated Roma's Pjanic ( a better footballer than POGBA IMO) or if Gundogan can recover form/fitness, him!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You don't want a future ballon d'or winner trc?
Oh, your comment about him being big and black I found a little crass. Not like you tbf
posted on 30/1/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 hours, 31 minutes ago
Depends how we are goinh to set up. Thats why it's hard to say he we need to sign.
I still think we need a couple of quality wingers. But if Van Gaal is going to persist with this set up then we don't.
Hopefully Reus and a promising young winger are on the radar and then we can bin 352 (and Young and Valencia).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Darren
Young has arguably been our best outfield player this season
I understand when United fans have pre conceived perceptions on our players but we have to give credit where it's due.
Young this season has been defending yet mullering fullbacks. I think were missing him personally
posted on 30/1/15
Not trying to justify us letting him go, just discussing his actual attributes as a footballer - all singing, all dancing and all dominating central midfielder he is not.
Not buying into the Young hype, Macca. He's a poor winger playing above average as a wing back. I can give him credit for that. However, it doesn't change my opinion that he's a shocking winger and I want us to build a squad with wingers and him and Valencia have no place at this club as wingers.
posted on 30/1/15
What can't he do exactly Darren?
posted on 30/1/15
It's not really a case of what he can't do. It's about what he actually does and how that fits our needs.
We need a central midfielder that can dominate the middle of the park. That's not really something Pogba does, nor has he proven he can do it as the main man in the premier league - Juve have by far the best midfield in Serie A, so he's got all the freedom in the world to express himself.
Paying £80m, despite his talent, would be a waste of money when we could conceivably make ourselves a much stronger side in more than one position with that sort of money.
posted on 30/1/15
Right so it's not about what he can't do but then you go on to say he can't "dominate the middle of the park" and that he hasn't proven he can be "the main man in the premier league"
Couple of things. He is 22 and hasn't played in the Prem so I'm not sure how he could ever meet your criteria of being the "main man in the prem" unless we or somebody else gave him a shot,
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by he isn't capable of "dominating the middle" firstly, Who does dominate the middle of the park and secondly, what can they do that pogba cannot?
Does he have the physical presence and stamina of Matic? Yes
Can he do the defensive work? Yes
Does he read the game well? Yes
Does he have the energy to get box to box? Yes
Can he beat a man? Yes
Can he score a goal? Yes
I'm not sure what's to like. No CM isn't the only area that needs strengthening but CM is a key area where we miss a player of the calibre of matic, toure, Kroos,
posted on 30/1/15
He is a quality player but I would even e upset with us paying 40m for him.
No thanks
posted on 30/1/15
No because you're asking questions based on FIFA attributes rather than what he actually does on the pitch.
£80m for him is a joke. He's probably not even Juve's best midfield player. He may well go on to become one of the finest in the game. But I don't think he fixes our immediate needs, and at that price you'd expect him to.
We won't sign him anyway so I'm content with the fact we won't waste £80m on him. Hopefully we'll put that money to better use.
posted on 30/1/15
I keep asking people, who are his partners in midfield in Juve, they do not like answering the question.
Serie A is not the league it used to be and I would be careful about making signings for huge amounts of money from there
posted on 30/1/15
URM, if my comment about big and black then apologies...
In an ideal world, would i want Pogba? of course i would. However, i have laid out my stall as to why the move would not appeal to me nor would it best for all the parties concerned.
DTKF has further elucidated better my points. We have a frightening strike force yet we are struggling to score goals.
Pogba is not the panacea for our pattern of play, IMO. And i refuse to get blown away with the hype.
posted on 30/1/15
Darren - I don't use FIFA or football manager bud. My assessment of pogba is based on matches and footage watched and the many rave reviews from the likes of pirlo, Viera, deschamps, zidane and others better qualified to rate him than you or I.
I agree £80m is steep, as was £60m for di Maria, £32m for Herrera and £27m for shaw but unfortunately that's the position we find ourselves in due to our need for top players and the fact the whole world knows we will pay big for them.
You say we need a CM to dominate the middle of the park But you haven't said what that mean or who you think currently does that.
I have told you what pogba can do and I think that meets our immediate needs.
Mud - yes pogba has good players along side him but that doesn't man he isn't any good. I'm guessing many would take Vidal and iv seen many talk about pjanic Matic came from a much weaker league and hasn't looked out of place has he?
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