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Like Jim Jeffries says, surely all the more interesting people are in hell.
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Hmm, seems the future for psycho John is none too bright. If he's not killed in a drone/air attack my guess is he'll be 'shot during capture' to avoid all the publicity of a trial and the need to lock the mad b'stard up somewhere.
comment by Nemanja's Body Count (U17355)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I'm an apologist? You obviously missed where I said jihadis do 'insane horrific things to innocent people'.
It's not as simple as 'We're the good guys! They're the bad guys!' Despite what the tabloids might tell you THFC.
If you ever want to improve things, you have to look at WHY these guys keep appearing; it's easy to write it off as insanity and accept no responsibility for our own actions.
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You're fighting a lost cause here. Reasoned and nuanced discussion about the conditions that facilitate a supposedly peaceful, nice guy becoming a violence monster aren't welcome on ja606 save for a few posters. You'll just get the 'terrorist sympathiser' tag from the simpletons.
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"We only intervene when it suits our needs remember. We should keep our noses out."
So you believe that peace will prevail in these countries with no involvement?
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Doesn't matter if there's nothing in it for us
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Well it does, I do think we should intervene in such scenarios.
Unfortunately, (and I know as well as you do) many of these wars aren't started with humanity as the sole driving force.
Sri Lanka is the perfect example, what happened there should not have been allowed and I don't think saying, "leave them to it" is any better than saying "they have oil, lets throw the dictator and take our share whilst we are at it".
Yet you can't see that.
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The third option is Help them properly...without stealing anything off them...but you can't see that.
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So exactly what I said?
Overthrow the dictatorship, and try to help sort out the countries issues.
The problem is, what do we do once the genocidal regimes have been irradiated?
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That wasn't exactly what you said......anyway.....
If it is deemed that this is the case, then collectively, the WORLD, or at least countries in a position to do so: Find the best course of action.
Having 1/2 countries go in and bomb the sheit out of the place is not the answer ever.
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What would you suggest??
Jihadi John is infact Di Maria's Left Foot
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Nemanja's Body Count (U17355)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I'm an apologist? You obviously missed where I said jihadis do 'insane horrific things to innocent people'.
It's not as simple as 'We're the good guys! They're the bad guys!' Despite what the tabloids might tell you THFC.
If you ever want to improve things, you have to look at WHY these guys keep appearing; it's easy to write it off as insanity and accept no responsibility for our own actions.
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You're fighting a lost cause here. Reasoned and nuanced discussion about the conditions that facilitate a supposedly peaceful, nice guy becoming a violence monster aren't welcome on ja606 save for a few posters. You'll just get the 'terrorist sympathiser' tag from the simpletons.
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This
Some people might think it's sensible to look at the root causes and find out how we can stop it in future....
Others think its best to just get really angry and wish horrible things on the person....
I am not against maybe doing both...
If you ever want to improve things, you have to look at WHY these guys keep appearing; it's easy to write it off as insanity and accept no responsibility for our own actions.
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Because he is a sçum. He is/was not a good guy as you and CAGE are trying to portray. His own country(by birth) didn't even welcome knowing he is a trouble maker.
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SAF
Evening mate.
I understand the call to a degree what you and Berb are saying,and I heard it on radio as I came home from work,with a guy saying so called western foreign policy is behing the likes of mohamad from west London becoming a beheader.
Radio guy said UK muslim's see what is being done to people in muslim nations,which I find a dodgy description,by the west,and they feel the urge to kill,because of this.............so,basically a muslim global unity thing,against the yanks and brit's etc?His rationale,not mine.
Now I opposed us going into the Afghan,Iraq and Libyan,but when did muslim's become fans of Saddam,Gadaffi,ot the lovely Taliban?
Why join isis,who slaughter muslim's they hate?
The pretend Camberwell jihadi was not even muslim this time last year,and now he dreams of beheading a soldier on our streets..........that is insane,and propaganda is obviously working on weak minds,and clever teenage muslim minds in Bethnal Green,apparently.
General question.
Do we ever TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHITE EXTREMISTS?
Should we have wondered WHY HITLER WAS NAUGHTY?
Did Stalin suffer at the hands of western imperialism?
Do we need to UNDERSTAND ISRAEL AND THE IDF?
Or is it just the muslim extremists we have to understand.appease and then what.............give in to?
Or if we close our eyes,perhaps isis,boko haram,taliban and co will just behave,after reading the Green party manifesto.
TBBAB for clarity someone like this has far far less cause in my mind than say a Palestinian terrorist.
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Radio guy said UK muslim's see what is being done to people in muslim nations,which I find a dodgy description,by the west,and they feel the urge to kill,because of this.............so,basically a muslim global unity thing,against the yanks and brit's etc?His rationale,not mine.
......................................................
Unfortunately this is something that happens often.
British people are more shocked that something bad has happened to someone British.
A Christian is more shocked that something bad is happening to Christians.
A Black guy is more shocked that something bad is happening to Black people.
I think its stupid but the majority of people seem to have their own favoured group, whether that's due to religion, skin colour or nationality.
Do we ever TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHITE EXTREMISTS?
Should we have wondered WHY HITLER WAS NAUGHTY?
...............................................
Yes we do, and yes we did...
Infact when I was in comprehensive school we spent quite a bit of time on the build up to WW2, we learnt that rather than Germans/Natzi's/Hitler just being evil and crazy that there were a bunch of different events that led up to WW2.
..........................................................
Did Stalin suffer at the hands of western imperialism?
Do we need to UNDERSTAND ISRAEL AND THE IDF?
........................................................
Umm not really sure on the first one... he was part of a game played by all the great powers so yes in a way I guess.
Yes, we should.
It is always important to know why people do what they do....
Sorry SAF,bud,that was a general knowledge question,not aimed at your goodself.
Ta for the answers though.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 48 minutes ago
SAF
Evening mate.
I understand the call to a degree what you and Berb are saying,and I heard it on radio as I came home from work,with a guy saying so called western foreign policy is behing the likes of mohamad from west London becoming a beheader.
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It's good to see you trying to engage in the point being made. If I could just pick you up on a crucial point though... You said (or recalled someone on the radio saying):
"western foreign policy is behing the likes of mohamad from west London becoming a beheader."
There's a slightly more nuanced point being made than that.
Western Policy undoubtedly fuels and acts as the catalyst for the conditions through which people might want to retaliate or become militant... However, it doesn't 'cause' it per se. Jihadi John or whoever the hell are still responsible for his/their actions. I'm furious at our policy - just like many of the so called extremists, but my response isn't to resort to violence. No one is, or should be, taking individual responsibility away from the psychos killing people under the ISIS moniker or the faith of 'Islam'. They are responsible for their own actions and should be condemned as such.
But again, our policies knowingly lead to the radicalisation of British muslims. They knowingly exacerbate the threat of terror because of the deep hatred at what we do to the region routinely. So if we want to reduce the amount of terror in the world, the first thing we must do is stop participating in it ourselves - that bit is our responsibility. That would immediately go some way to lowering the anger levels at the west and the number of reprisals. Secondly, we owe massive financial reparations to the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Palestine and so on (literally an endless list). Again, that would also go some way to ameliorating the tensions aimed at us.
As for dealing with threats at home - that's just good police work.
As for abroad, ie ISIS. That's now much more complex but given our role in creating these monsters, supporting them etc... First is to stop doing that. Then we should support in whatever way we can (sans violence) negotiation processes with countries of the region, the UN (although the UN is compromised being essentially run by the US) and yes, the monsters. We can support popular, nationalist movements and democracy, rather than undermining democracy for 'our' own interests etc...
We are the sane lot. We should all, first and foremost, be opposing in the harshest terms, violence and terror committed in our name by our governments for elite interests, guised and veiled under noble sounding, false pretexts. Then we should be condemning the sometimes violence responses to those policies, whilst acknowledging the route cause and grievances. That's what sane, informed and intelligent people should be doing.
Well argued Berb,but I simply wonder how a guy growing up in a cosy middle class South East England area,now feels such hate that he cuts heads off guys who converted to islam,or went to help muslim's?
You say the west's foreign policy leads to muslim's hating us.Well.how should we feel about those islamists attacking innocent people now?Can you say Bush and Blair are responsible for the plight of Christian's or kurds or yazidi's,who are attacked by isis.
Why do boko haram target Christian's and girls when there is no western involvement?
Why do we get on with Germany,USA,France,Spain,Israel etc,when we have fought these states in the past?
We now oppose Putin,so if Russian's here attack us,will we underatand and appease them.
Jihadi john was born in Kuwait,and the west backed Kuwait,against bully boy Sadam,so west London jihadi has a messed up logic system,re.foreign policy.
Foreign policy changes,and we had a Royal in Japan today,even though our troops were tortured by Japanese troops,and we nuked the country.
How long will we be held responsible for muslim extremism,and is there a reason for past muslim power struggles,into Europe from the middle east?
All nations,religion's and creeds have adopted poor foreign policies,but I find it sad that muslim's see people living on the other side of the world as their kin,just because they think they are the same............even when they are killing muslim's.
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Cal
I hope and pray that more tolerant islam fights back in these regions,but they have a struggle on their hands.
Not sure if we should get involved,tbh.
Too often,it is thrown back at us,and so time to let so called muslim areas sort themselves out.
That is what isis etc want,as we are always told that they want our involvement,in order to recruit and gain propaganda.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
There is much trouble in many Muslim countries.Maybe they have to go through all this before order eventually prevails.
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It took us in the West many centuries to get the fully functioning representative democracy we have today, but I always wonder....
If the Middle East had been made up of far greater powers who constantly meddled in our affairs and stuck their nose in would the West be like it is today?
Probably not, the evolution of democracy, women's rights and other values us westerners hold dear came from a perilous journey our countries went on, one we could have easily been knocked off if far greater powers could meddle for their own benefit.
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Cal
When the yazidis were being slaughtered and chased up a mountain,their women and girls kidnapped,and men forced to convert or die,I was not opposed to our intervention,to help them.
Sadly,I am sure this is happening off camera and off our tv screens.
I also admit that the west was too quick to bomb people in these lands,but that massive mistake,does not mean a muslim in a C of E school in rich London,should feel the need to decapitate innocent's.
Unless,their is some global islamist power trip on- going?
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Like Jim Jeffries says, surely all the more interesting people are in hell.
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Hmm, seems the future for psycho John is none too bright. If he's not killed in a drone/air attack my guess is he'll be 'shot during capture' to avoid all the publicity of a trial and the need to lock the mad b'stard up somewhere.
posted on 27/2/15
comment by Nemanja's Body Count (U17355)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I'm an apologist? You obviously missed where I said jihadis do 'insane horrific things to innocent people'.
It's not as simple as 'We're the good guys! They're the bad guys!' Despite what the tabloids might tell you THFC.
If you ever want to improve things, you have to look at WHY these guys keep appearing; it's easy to write it off as insanity and accept no responsibility for our own actions.
-------------
You're fighting a lost cause here. Reasoned and nuanced discussion about the conditions that facilitate a supposedly peaceful, nice guy becoming a violence monster aren't welcome on ja606 save for a few posters. You'll just get the 'terrorist sympathiser' tag from the simpletons.
posted on 27/2/15
comment by Galv: DJ Mango Shakes and the Stinky Plates (U10415)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Galv: DJ Mango Shakes and the Stinky Plates (U10415)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Galv: DJ Mango Shakes and the Stinky Plates (U10415)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
"We only intervene when it suits our needs remember. We should keep our noses out."
So you believe that peace will prevail in these countries with no involvement?
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Doesn't matter if there's nothing in it for us
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Well it does, I do think we should intervene in such scenarios.
Unfortunately, (and I know as well as you do) many of these wars aren't started with humanity as the sole driving force.
Sri Lanka is the perfect example, what happened there should not have been allowed and I don't think saying, "leave them to it" is any better than saying "they have oil, lets throw the dictator and take our share whilst we are at it".
Yet you can't see that.
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The third option is Help them properly...without stealing anything off them...but you can't see that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So exactly what I said?
Overthrow the dictatorship, and try to help sort out the countries issues.
The problem is, what do we do once the genocidal regimes have been irradiated?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wasn't exactly what you said......anyway.....
If it is deemed that this is the case, then collectively, the WORLD, or at least countries in a position to do so: Find the best course of action.
Having 1/2 countries go in and bomb the sheit out of the place is not the answer ever.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What would you suggest??
posted on 27/2/15
Jihadi John is infact Di Maria's Left Foot
posted on 27/2/15
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Nemanja's Body Count (U17355)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I'm an apologist? You obviously missed where I said jihadis do 'insane horrific things to innocent people'.
It's not as simple as 'We're the good guys! They're the bad guys!' Despite what the tabloids might tell you THFC.
If you ever want to improve things, you have to look at WHY these guys keep appearing; it's easy to write it off as insanity and accept no responsibility for our own actions.
-------------
You're fighting a lost cause here. Reasoned and nuanced discussion about the conditions that facilitate a supposedly peaceful, nice guy becoming a violence monster aren't welcome on ja606 save for a few posters. You'll just get the 'terrorist sympathiser' tag from the simpletons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This
Some people might think it's sensible to look at the root causes and find out how we can stop it in future....
Others think its best to just get really angry and wish horrible things on the person....
I am not against maybe doing both...
posted on 27/2/15
If you ever want to improve things, you have to look at WHY these guys keep appearing; it's easy to write it off as insanity and accept no responsibility for our own actions.
------
Because he is a sçum. He is/was not a good guy as you and CAGE are trying to portray. His own country(by birth) didn't even welcome knowing he is a trouble maker.
posted on 27/2/15
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posted on 27/2/15
SAF
Evening mate.
I understand the call to a degree what you and Berb are saying,and I heard it on radio as I came home from work,with a guy saying so called western foreign policy is behing the likes of mohamad from west London becoming a beheader.
Radio guy said UK muslim's see what is being done to people in muslim nations,which I find a dodgy description,by the west,and they feel the urge to kill,because of this.............so,basically a muslim global unity thing,against the yanks and brit's etc?His rationale,not mine.
Now I opposed us going into the Afghan,Iraq and Libyan,but when did muslim's become fans of Saddam,Gadaffi,ot the lovely Taliban?
Why join isis,who slaughter muslim's they hate?
The pretend Camberwell jihadi was not even muslim this time last year,and now he dreams of beheading a soldier on our streets..........that is insane,and propaganda is obviously working on weak minds,and clever teenage muslim minds in Bethnal Green,apparently.
posted on 27/2/15
General question.
Do we ever TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHITE EXTREMISTS?
Should we have wondered WHY HITLER WAS NAUGHTY?
Did Stalin suffer at the hands of western imperialism?
Do we need to UNDERSTAND ISRAEL AND THE IDF?
Or is it just the muslim extremists we have to understand.appease and then what.............give in to?
Or if we close our eyes,perhaps isis,boko haram,taliban and co will just behave,after reading the Green party manifesto.
posted on 27/2/15
TBBAB for clarity someone like this has far far less cause in my mind than say a Palestinian terrorist.
..............................................................
Radio guy said UK muslim's see what is being done to people in muslim nations,which I find a dodgy description,by the west,and they feel the urge to kill,because of this.............so,basically a muslim global unity thing,against the yanks and brit's etc?His rationale,not mine.
......................................................
Unfortunately this is something that happens often.
British people are more shocked that something bad has happened to someone British.
A Christian is more shocked that something bad is happening to Christians.
A Black guy is more shocked that something bad is happening to Black people.
I think its stupid but the majority of people seem to have their own favoured group, whether that's due to religion, skin colour or nationality.
posted on 27/2/15
Do we ever TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHITE EXTREMISTS?
Should we have wondered WHY HITLER WAS NAUGHTY?
...............................................
Yes we do, and yes we did...
Infact when I was in comprehensive school we spent quite a bit of time on the build up to WW2, we learnt that rather than Germans/Natzi's/Hitler just being evil and crazy that there were a bunch of different events that led up to WW2.
..........................................................
Did Stalin suffer at the hands of western imperialism?
Do we need to UNDERSTAND ISRAEL AND THE IDF?
........................................................
Umm not really sure on the first one... he was part of a game played by all the great powers so yes in a way I guess.
Yes, we should.
It is always important to know why people do what they do....
posted on 27/2/15
Sorry SAF,bud,that was a general knowledge question,not aimed at your goodself.
Ta for the answers though.
posted on 27/2/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 48 minutes ago
SAF
Evening mate.
I understand the call to a degree what you and Berb are saying,and I heard it on radio as I came home from work,with a guy saying so called western foreign policy is behing the likes of mohamad from west London becoming a beheader.
---------------------
It's good to see you trying to engage in the point being made. If I could just pick you up on a crucial point though... You said (or recalled someone on the radio saying):
"western foreign policy is behing the likes of mohamad from west London becoming a beheader."
There's a slightly more nuanced point being made than that.
Western Policy undoubtedly fuels and acts as the catalyst for the conditions through which people might want to retaliate or become militant... However, it doesn't 'cause' it per se. Jihadi John or whoever the hell are still responsible for his/their actions. I'm furious at our policy - just like many of the so called extremists, but my response isn't to resort to violence. No one is, or should be, taking individual responsibility away from the psychos killing people under the ISIS moniker or the faith of 'Islam'. They are responsible for their own actions and should be condemned as such.
But again, our policies knowingly lead to the radicalisation of British muslims. They knowingly exacerbate the threat of terror because of the deep hatred at what we do to the region routinely. So if we want to reduce the amount of terror in the world, the first thing we must do is stop participating in it ourselves - that bit is our responsibility. That would immediately go some way to lowering the anger levels at the west and the number of reprisals. Secondly, we owe massive financial reparations to the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Palestine and so on (literally an endless list). Again, that would also go some way to ameliorating the tensions aimed at us.
As for dealing with threats at home - that's just good police work.
As for abroad, ie ISIS. That's now much more complex but given our role in creating these monsters, supporting them etc... First is to stop doing that. Then we should support in whatever way we can (sans violence) negotiation processes with countries of the region, the UN (although the UN is compromised being essentially run by the US) and yes, the monsters. We can support popular, nationalist movements and democracy, rather than undermining democracy for 'our' own interests etc...
We are the sane lot. We should all, first and foremost, be opposing in the harshest terms, violence and terror committed in our name by our governments for elite interests, guised and veiled under noble sounding, false pretexts. Then we should be condemning the sometimes violence responses to those policies, whilst acknowledging the route cause and grievances. That's what sane, informed and intelligent people should be doing.
posted on 27/2/15
Well argued Berb,but I simply wonder how a guy growing up in a cosy middle class South East England area,now feels such hate that he cuts heads off guys who converted to islam,or went to help muslim's?
You say the west's foreign policy leads to muslim's hating us.Well.how should we feel about those islamists attacking innocent people now?Can you say Bush and Blair are responsible for the plight of Christian's or kurds or yazidi's,who are attacked by isis.
Why do boko haram target Christian's and girls when there is no western involvement?
Why do we get on with Germany,USA,France,Spain,Israel etc,when we have fought these states in the past?
We now oppose Putin,so if Russian's here attack us,will we underatand and appease them.
Jihadi john was born in Kuwait,and the west backed Kuwait,against bully boy Sadam,so west London jihadi has a messed up logic system,re.foreign policy.
Foreign policy changes,and we had a Royal in Japan today,even though our troops were tortured by Japanese troops,and we nuked the country.
How long will we be held responsible for muslim extremism,and is there a reason for past muslim power struggles,into Europe from the middle east?
All nations,religion's and creeds have adopted poor foreign policies,but I find it sad that muslim's see people living on the other side of the world as their kin,just because they think they are the same............even when they are killing muslim's.
posted on 27/2/15
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posted on 27/2/15
Cal
I hope and pray that more tolerant islam fights back in these regions,but they have a struggle on their hands.
Not sure if we should get involved,tbh.
Too often,it is thrown back at us,and so time to let so called muslim areas sort themselves out.
That is what isis etc want,as we are always told that they want our involvement,in order to recruit and gain propaganda.
posted on 27/2/15
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
There is much trouble in many Muslim countries.Maybe they have to go through all this before order eventually prevails.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It took us in the West many centuries to get the fully functioning representative democracy we have today, but I always wonder....
If the Middle East had been made up of far greater powers who constantly meddled in our affairs and stuck their nose in would the West be like it is today?
Probably not, the evolution of democracy, women's rights and other values us westerners hold dear came from a perilous journey our countries went on, one we could have easily been knocked off if far greater powers could meddle for their own benefit.
posted on 27/2/15
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posted on 27/2/15
Cal
When the yazidis were being slaughtered and chased up a mountain,their women and girls kidnapped,and men forced to convert or die,I was not opposed to our intervention,to help them.
Sadly,I am sure this is happening off camera and off our tv screens.
I also admit that the west was too quick to bomb people in these lands,but that massive mistake,does not mean a muslim in a C of E school in rich London,should feel the need to decapitate innocent's.
Unless,their is some global islamist power trip on- going?
posted on 27/2/15
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