We have absolutely no problem in scoring goals and the issue you bring up is to buy a striker. The issue we really need to address is someone decent enough to challenge Franny C.
First of all I have nothing against a new striker.
Secondly Sanchez and Özil were logical buys and not unrealistic. Cavani and Benzema are not realistic targets. So why do you talk about them?
Name me other targets who are realistic and better on what we have? I dont count Giroud alone as our only alternative as CF.
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago
I personally would love to see Arsene go big balls out 50/60 mil to sign Aguero. Love OG but he's no Sergio. However ever in my fantasy where Wenger does it, it's the transfer window after he's spent 60 million buying Schneiderlin and Kompany first.
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Agree....only someone in this mould could do it for me....Aguero, Suarez these are players we should think of. Otherwise invest in our defensive first.
We need another DM and CB most.
comment by Pundit /\_/\ (U16869)
posted 8 hours, 18 minutes ago
Why don't you believe Giroud can improve to be a world class player?
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Simple answer. Lack of natural talent.
Giroud won't take us to the CL semi's as proven in the first leg. Remember struggling to find a way through against Barca at home... and then from the most impossible angle Van Persie struck and equalised and the momentum we gained... this is against the greatest club side ever btw.
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No player on his own can take a team to a semi in the CL . Aguero didnt take City on another level in the CL for example.
Giroud is officially world class
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3006850/Olivier-Giroud-dubbed-world-class-manager-Arsene-Wenger-striker-insists-Arsenal-aren-t-title-race.html
We need a winger and dm much more than a strier
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true that WB2.
Nothing to add.
Id much rather spend money on the defensive side of our team.
With our MF being so small and weak we have to have a 6ft plus CF.
If we are to get a new striker surely Lewandowski is worth a punt at Bayern, not having the best time over there so it could be possible.
We aren't far away with what we've got. If it hadn't been for our shortages at the back and horrendous injuries in the first half of the season, we'd be breathing down Chelsea's necks.
A starter in central defence, and defensive midfield are the priorities.
"We aren't far away with what we've got. If it hadn't been for"
You could write a paragraph starting with this for most of our seasons after 2007 tbf. It's always something.
If we are to get a new striker surely Lewandowski is worth a punt at Bayern, not having the best time over there so it could be possible.
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Despite of having an average season, Boss I dont think Bayern will sell Lewandowski.
That's the level of striker people (sensible ones at least) are referring to as World Class when they're saying Giroud isn't. IMO the aforementioned players are a cut above World Class. Just like FIFA, there's a "Legendary" level.
The prolific strikers/players we'll talk about for years after thier retirements. The level of player we have to buy to trump Giroud. This is the category they fit into.
Giroud could start for the majority of teams anywhere in the world and features regularly for his nation. By definition this makes him a World Class player.
Stop slating Giroud, for not being World Class when it's you making the error in not recognizing that it's not World Class you're talking about. You're on about "Legendary" standards.
I'll happily concede that Giroud's not that. But World Class? Well look at it this way, we claim that this is the hardest, toughest, most competitive, BEST league in the world. If that is true then it would logically and sensibly follow that a striker would have to be World Class to be one of the best.
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biggest load of carp I've ever read. You're silly
So is Kane world class for doing it in this league then?
What about when Bent did it? Michu did it?
Legendary level if that's where you rank Aguero/Suarez then fair enough but below that comes Benzema, Lewandowski, Cavani maybe Higuain etc...
Giroud isn't in that bracket and those players are world class. Giroud will NEVER be world class.
Satisfaction with Giroud depends on your ambitions... if you're happy with scrapping for top 4 OG is your man if you really want a convincing title challenge throughout the campaign and one to get further in Europe we NEED better or at least CF with huge potential like a Sturridge or Dybala.
Giroud won't have a better season than this, he's peaking right now
When he suggested Benzema as one of the strikers to buy, I lost interest. Overly overrated, I wonder what his stats are compared to Giroud's.
Giroud could start for the majority of teams anywhere in the world and features regularly for his nation. By definition this makes him a World Class player.
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Let's talk top teams then shall we, not go with form go with natural ability and think if Giroud will start over their main man LONG TERM.
City - Aguero > Giroud
United - Rooney > Giroud
Chelsea - Costa > Giroud
L'pool - Sturridge > Giroud
Spurs - Kane = Giroud
So that's England's top 6 where he wouldn't walk in to any team, have a battle on his hands each time.
Juve - Giroud would be Tevez's partner over Llorente and Moratta but would still be 2nd fiddle. Moratta probably would get the nod in the bigger games
PSG - No way. Ibra & Cavani > Giroud
Atletico - Mandzukic = Giroud.
Barca & Real - Let's not even bother
Dortmund - Giroud > Immobile the latter isn't far from OG's current level and will improve, so long term... I still don't know
So amongst Europe's elite we arguably have the worst CF out there the majority of these teams have world class ones, game changers hence are better performers in Europe and most of them domestically.
Simply what we need, Giroud isn't good enough sorry to break it to you but that's the hard hitting truth and believe me I like the guy
When he suggested Benzema as one of the strikers to buy, I lost interest. Overly overrated, I wonder what his stats are compared to Giroud's.
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Overrated or not he's still a major upgrade on what we have. Look who France start for starters
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 17 minutes ago
That's the level of striker people (sensible ones at least) are referring to as World Class when they're saying Giroud isn't. IMO the aforementioned players are a cut above World Class. Just like FIFA, there's a "Legendary" level.
The prolific strikers/players we'll talk about for years after thier retirements. The level of player we have to buy to trump Giroud. This is the category they fit into.
Giroud could start for the majority of teams anywhere in the world and features regularly for his nation. By definition this makes him a World Class player.
Stop slating Giroud, for not being World Class when it's you making the error in not recognizing that it's not World Class you're talking about. You're on about "Legendary" standards.
I'll happily concede that Giroud's not that. But World Class? Well look at it this way, we claim that this is the hardest, toughest, most competitive, BEST league in the world. If that is true then it would logically and sensibly follow that a striker would have to be World Class to be one of the best.
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biggest load of carp I've ever read. You're silly
So is Kane world class for doing it in this league then?
What about when Bent did it? Michu did it?
Legendary level if that's where you rank Aguero/Suarez then fair enough but below that comes Benzema, Lewandowski, Cavani maybe Higuain etc...
Giroud isn't in that bracket and those players are world class. Giroud will NEVER be world class.
Satisfaction with Giroud depends on your ambitions... if you're happy with scrapping for top 4 OG is your man if you really want a convincing title challenge throughout the campaign and one to get further in Europe we NEED better or at least CF with huge potential like a Sturridge or Dybala.
Giroud won't have a better season than this, he's peaking right now
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Your logic is something else....
Dortmund - Giroud > Immobile the latter isn't far from OG's current level and will improve, so long term... I still don't know
Do you watch games? Dont think so. Dortmund want to get rid of him after only one season. Not first choice at Dortmund.
comment by Dux (U6467)
posted 18 minutes ago
When he suggested Benzema as one of the strikers to buy, I lost interest. Overly overrated, I wonder what his stats are compared to Giroud's.
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I agree with you on Benzema. Don't think he is what we needed at all allthough he was brilliant last night. Missed to score though.
Do you watch games? Dont think so. Dortmund want to get rid of him after only one season. Not first choice at Dortmund.
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Dortmund are mid-table I'm sure they'll be a massive clearout anyway. Doesn't change the fact Immobile still has potential imo.
Have you got an argument for any of the other comparisons or you also acknowledge we have arguably the worst CF amongst the Elite?
Benzema is not a upgrade on Giroud imo, infact Benzema is a bigger donkey as he needs way more chances to score goals than Giroud.
People like Benzema due to his workrate and the fact he runs around like a lost dog most games.
What Giroud brings to team is better link up and hold up play than any of those strikers you have mentioned, and the man is scoring goals for us too, what more can he do.
I have a feeling that if we got Agureo or someone of his ilk, you'd still be looking for another striker anyway.
What makes those players that you mentioned world class?
Their goals, assists, shooting, passing, speed, technical levels?
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 27 minutes ago
Do you watch games? Dont think so. Dortmund want to get rid of him after only one season. Not first choice at Dortmund.
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Dortmund are mid-table I'm sure they'll be a massive clearout anyway. Doesn't change the fact Immobile still has potential imo.
Have you got an argument for any of the other comparisons or you also acknowledge we have arguably the worst CF amongst the Elite?
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There wont be a clear out at Dortmund next summer. From where do you get this?
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Doesn't change the fact Immobile still has potential imo.
Have you got an argument for any of the other comparisons or you also acknowledge we have arguably the worst CF amongst the Elite?
I didnt say that Immobile is a bad player. You mentioned him to make your point and I confronted you with a fact.
The other names you mentioned didnt prove anything. Higuain doesnt with you titles, does he? What has he done at Napoli so far?
Cavani is overhyped and overpaid that's all. Do you watch him regularly. I do.
Benzema? Is he a good finisher? Dont think so as you may watched yesterday evening for example.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
What Giroud brings to team is better link up and hold up play than any of those strikers you have mentioned, and the man is scoring goals for us too, what more can he do.
I have a feeling that if we got Agureo or someone of his ilk, you'd still be looking for another striker anyway.
What makes those players that you mentioned world class?
Their goals, assists, shooting, passing, speed, technical levels?
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He accepts only striker with pace as it seems. I agree with you on OG's link-up play and hold-up play though. It's not a coincidence that he was heavily involved in two of the best team goals in PL history.
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posted on 23/3/15
We have absolutely no problem in scoring goals and the issue you bring up is to buy a striker. The issue we really need to address is someone decent enough to challenge Franny C.
posted on 23/3/15
First of all I have nothing against a new striker.
Secondly Sanchez and Özil were logical buys and not unrealistic. Cavani and Benzema are not realistic targets. So why do you talk about them?
Name me other targets who are realistic and better on what we have? I dont count Giroud alone as our only alternative as CF.
posted on 23/3/15
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago
I personally would love to see Arsene go big balls out 50/60 mil to sign Aguero. Love OG but he's no Sergio. However ever in my fantasy where Wenger does it, it's the transfer window after he's spent 60 million buying Schneiderlin and Kompany first.
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Agree....only someone in this mould could do it for me....Aguero, Suarez these are players we should think of. Otherwise invest in our defensive first.
We need another DM and CB most.
posted on 23/3/15
comment by Pundit /\_/\ (U16869)
posted 8 hours, 18 minutes ago
Why don't you believe Giroud can improve to be a world class player?
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Simple answer. Lack of natural talent.
posted on 23/3/15
Giroud won't take us to the CL semi's as proven in the first leg. Remember struggling to find a way through against Barca at home... and then from the most impossible angle Van Persie struck and equalised and the momentum we gained... this is against the greatest club side ever btw.
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No player on his own can take a team to a semi in the CL . Aguero didnt take City on another level in the CL for example.
posted on 23/3/15
Giroud is officially world class
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3006850/Olivier-Giroud-dubbed-world-class-manager-Arsene-Wenger-striker-insists-Arsenal-aren-t-title-race.html
posted on 23/3/15
We need a winger and dm much more than a strier
posted on 23/3/15
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posted on 23/3/15
true that WB2.
Nothing to add.
posted on 23/3/15
Id much rather spend money on the defensive side of our team.
With our MF being so small and weak we have to have a 6ft plus CF.
If we are to get a new striker surely Lewandowski is worth a punt at Bayern, not having the best time over there so it could be possible.
posted on 23/3/15
We aren't far away with what we've got. If it hadn't been for our shortages at the back and horrendous injuries in the first half of the season, we'd be breathing down Chelsea's necks.
A starter in central defence, and defensive midfield are the priorities.
posted on 23/3/15
"We aren't far away with what we've got. If it hadn't been for"
You could write a paragraph starting with this for most of our seasons after 2007 tbf. It's always something.
posted on 23/3/15
If we are to get a new striker surely Lewandowski is worth a punt at Bayern, not having the best time over there so it could be possible.
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Despite of having an average season, Boss I dont think Bayern will sell Lewandowski.
posted on 23/3/15
That's the level of striker people (sensible ones at least) are referring to as World Class when they're saying Giroud isn't. IMO the aforementioned players are a cut above World Class. Just like FIFA, there's a "Legendary" level.
The prolific strikers/players we'll talk about for years after thier retirements. The level of player we have to buy to trump Giroud. This is the category they fit into.
Giroud could start for the majority of teams anywhere in the world and features regularly for his nation. By definition this makes him a World Class player.
Stop slating Giroud, for not being World Class when it's you making the error in not recognizing that it's not World Class you're talking about. You're on about "Legendary" standards.
I'll happily concede that Giroud's not that. But World Class? Well look at it this way, we claim that this is the hardest, toughest, most competitive, BEST league in the world. If that is true then it would logically and sensibly follow that a striker would have to be World Class to be one of the best.
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biggest load of carp I've ever read. You're silly
So is Kane world class for doing it in this league then?
What about when Bent did it? Michu did it?
Legendary level if that's where you rank Aguero/Suarez then fair enough but below that comes Benzema, Lewandowski, Cavani maybe Higuain etc...
Giroud isn't in that bracket and those players are world class. Giroud will NEVER be world class.
Satisfaction with Giroud depends on your ambitions... if you're happy with scrapping for top 4 OG is your man if you really want a convincing title challenge throughout the campaign and one to get further in Europe we NEED better or at least CF with huge potential like a Sturridge or Dybala.
Giroud won't have a better season than this, he's peaking right now
posted on 23/3/15
When he suggested Benzema as one of the strikers to buy, I lost interest. Overly overrated, I wonder what his stats are compared to Giroud's.
posted on 23/3/15
Giroud could start for the majority of teams anywhere in the world and features regularly for his nation. By definition this makes him a World Class player.
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Let's talk top teams then shall we, not go with form go with natural ability and think if Giroud will start over their main man LONG TERM.
City - Aguero > Giroud
United - Rooney > Giroud
Chelsea - Costa > Giroud
L'pool - Sturridge > Giroud
Spurs - Kane = Giroud
So that's England's top 6 where he wouldn't walk in to any team, have a battle on his hands each time.
Juve - Giroud would be Tevez's partner over Llorente and Moratta but would still be 2nd fiddle. Moratta probably would get the nod in the bigger games
PSG - No way. Ibra & Cavani > Giroud
Atletico - Mandzukic = Giroud.
Barca & Real - Let's not even bother
Dortmund - Giroud > Immobile the latter isn't far from OG's current level and will improve, so long term... I still don't know
So amongst Europe's elite we arguably have the worst CF out there the majority of these teams have world class ones, game changers hence are better performers in Europe and most of them domestically.
Simply what we need, Giroud isn't good enough sorry to break it to you but that's the hard hitting truth and believe me I like the guy
posted on 23/3/15
When he suggested Benzema as one of the strikers to buy, I lost interest. Overly overrated, I wonder what his stats are compared to Giroud's.
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Overrated or not he's still a major upgrade on what we have. Look who France start for starters
posted on 23/3/15
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 17 minutes ago
That's the level of striker people (sensible ones at least) are referring to as World Class when they're saying Giroud isn't. IMO the aforementioned players are a cut above World Class. Just like FIFA, there's a "Legendary" level.
The prolific strikers/players we'll talk about for years after thier retirements. The level of player we have to buy to trump Giroud. This is the category they fit into.
Giroud could start for the majority of teams anywhere in the world and features regularly for his nation. By definition this makes him a World Class player.
Stop slating Giroud, for not being World Class when it's you making the error in not recognizing that it's not World Class you're talking about. You're on about "Legendary" standards.
I'll happily concede that Giroud's not that. But World Class? Well look at it this way, we claim that this is the hardest, toughest, most competitive, BEST league in the world. If that is true then it would logically and sensibly follow that a striker would have to be World Class to be one of the best.
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biggest load of carp I've ever read. You're silly
So is Kane world class for doing it in this league then?
What about when Bent did it? Michu did it?
Legendary level if that's where you rank Aguero/Suarez then fair enough but below that comes Benzema, Lewandowski, Cavani maybe Higuain etc...
Giroud isn't in that bracket and those players are world class. Giroud will NEVER be world class.
Satisfaction with Giroud depends on your ambitions... if you're happy with scrapping for top 4 OG is your man if you really want a convincing title challenge throughout the campaign and one to get further in Europe we NEED better or at least CF with huge potential like a Sturridge or Dybala.
Giroud won't have a better season than this, he's peaking right now
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Your logic is something else....
posted on 23/3/15
Dortmund - Giroud > Immobile the latter isn't far from OG's current level and will improve, so long term... I still don't know
Do you watch games? Dont think so. Dortmund want to get rid of him after only one season. Not first choice at Dortmund.
posted on 23/3/15
comment by Dux (U6467)
posted 18 minutes ago
When he suggested Benzema as one of the strikers to buy, I lost interest. Overly overrated, I wonder what his stats are compared to Giroud's.
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I agree with you on Benzema. Don't think he is what we needed at all allthough he was brilliant last night. Missed to score though.
posted on 23/3/15
Do you watch games? Dont think so. Dortmund want to get rid of him after only one season. Not first choice at Dortmund.
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Dortmund are mid-table I'm sure they'll be a massive clearout anyway. Doesn't change the fact Immobile still has potential imo.
Have you got an argument for any of the other comparisons or you also acknowledge we have arguably the worst CF amongst the Elite?
posted on 23/3/15
Benzema is not a upgrade on Giroud imo, infact Benzema is a bigger donkey as he needs way more chances to score goals than Giroud.
People like Benzema due to his workrate and the fact he runs around like a lost dog most games.
posted on 23/3/15
What Giroud brings to team is better link up and hold up play than any of those strikers you have mentioned, and the man is scoring goals for us too, what more can he do.
I have a feeling that if we got Agureo or someone of his ilk, you'd still be looking for another striker anyway.
What makes those players that you mentioned world class?
Their goals, assists, shooting, passing, speed, technical levels?
posted on 23/3/15
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 27 minutes ago
Do you watch games? Dont think so. Dortmund want to get rid of him after only one season. Not first choice at Dortmund.
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Dortmund are mid-table I'm sure they'll be a massive clearout anyway. Doesn't change the fact Immobile still has potential imo.
Have you got an argument for any of the other comparisons or you also acknowledge we have arguably the worst CF amongst the Elite?
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There wont be a clear out at Dortmund next summer. From where do you get this?
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Doesn't change the fact Immobile still has potential imo.
Have you got an argument for any of the other comparisons or you also acknowledge we have arguably the worst CF amongst the Elite?
I didnt say that Immobile is a bad player. You mentioned him to make your point and I confronted you with a fact.
The other names you mentioned didnt prove anything. Higuain doesnt with you titles, does he? What has he done at Napoli so far?
Cavani is overhyped and overpaid that's all. Do you watch him regularly. I do.
Benzema? Is he a good finisher? Dont think so as you may watched yesterday evening for example.
posted on 23/3/15
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 minutes ago
What Giroud brings to team is better link up and hold up play than any of those strikers you have mentioned, and the man is scoring goals for us too, what more can he do.
I have a feeling that if we got Agureo or someone of his ilk, you'd still be looking for another striker anyway.
What makes those players that you mentioned world class?
Their goals, assists, shooting, passing, speed, technical levels?
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He accepts only striker with pace as it seems. I agree with you on OG's link-up play and hold-up play though. It's not a coincidence that he was heavily involved in two of the best team goals in PL history.
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