Our transfer policy has been nothing short of 'an shambles'. It won't get any better whilst we have champagne dreams funded by lemonade pockets.
But you've spent over 100 mill this season...
That's some expensive lemonade to me..
Wasn't Lovren and Lallana both Rodgers buy?
It was a big spendathon that hasn;t yet worked out for most of the pl;ayers. Can is the only one that you could feel confident about being in the starting 11 next season.
And if its true that Rodgers has final say on the players he wants coming to the club then he has to bear a huge burden of responsibility
Lets wait till the end of the season.
Lallana - Had some good games but goes missing too often and holds on to the ball too long. 25m was too much based on this seasons performances but he's also had a lot of injuries that haven't let him get going.
Markovic - Been OK and will become better, but was an unnecessary signing when we had Ibe. Not a wingback, that much is evident and always makes dangerous runs behind the opposition defence when played further forward.
Lovren - Been rubbish, should have bought a right sided CB to compete with Skrtel as we'd already spent £18m on Sakho, our best CB. Hopefully can improve, but don't really have high hopes.
Balotelli - He'll be gone in the summer, and again has been rubbish. His work rate hasn't been that bad, but footballing wise he's been wánk, missed loads of chances and doesn't stretch the defence at all.
Moreno - Been suspect in the big games. IMO he'll get better and prove to be a good buy. Don't really think wing-back suits him, he's always in two minds where to be and gets caught out of position.
Origi - May turn out good for us, but the money spent on him and Markovic could've been used on one top class player with Ibe/Sinclair getting a chance.
Can - Been great at CB overall, struggled in the last 2 games but is gonna be class for us over the years. Should be him, Hendo and Coutinho in midfield until Lucas is match fit
Lambert - Good player in the right setup, but not right for us. He's better coming deep as a second striker, but Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling are all better there as well
Disagree mostly.
Lallana - overpriced, who isn't nowadays? Good player and very versatile, very good signing for the squad for a good few years. Every squad needs this type of player.
Markovic - Young player who has been very inconsistent but shown enough for me to think he can become a top player. Hopefully we can get back to playing a suitable system before the season is over and going into next season as some struggle in the current one, like Markovic. It's a shame we had to change it up and stick with this one as nothing else was working without a striker who could hold the ball and run in behind, with Sturridge injured.
Lovren - one of the best defenders in the league last season. Struggled this season. It's difficult for new signings to come into a struggling side. If he had come in January I suspect things would have been a lot easier for him. Still hopeful on him but has to drastically improve and take his chances when given.
Balotelli - where to begin? Left ourselves with no options when Sanchez turned us down. Settled for Balotelli who Rodgers didn't want having said we definitely won't be signing him. Has came in with an attitude that everybody is against him and infuriated Liverpool fans with countless shots from the Middle of nowhere. Not a Liverpool player in a million years. Our worst signing in many years in my opinion. I feel for him and I cringe when he's on the pitch and so much wanted him to work out but he can't work in this team. If somebody offers £10m bite their hand off.
Moreno - Young player who has shown massive potential since he came. Also shown the mistakes which he needs to iron out. The first which he seems to have worked on is holding the ball in the area thinking you have time, this is the Premier League, you don't. The second is positioning, I guess it's the system, he won't have played it that often. I have no doubt that he'll be Spain's left back in a couple of seasons. He can be that good.
Origi - didn't rate him when it was rumoured we were looking at him, didn't like what I saw when he played for Belgium and not impressed at all by the stats in France. However he hasn't pulled on a red shirt yet so I'll be reserving judgement.
Can - like Moreno you can see the massive potential. We need to get to a position where we can play him in midfield. Will be a top player.
Lambert, worth the gamble at £4m for a fourth choice striker for the bench to give us something different. I'd keep him if he's willing to continue in the role he agreed.
One thing that is the hallmark of a top manager especially a Liverpool one, is the abilty to pull off great signings. I cast my mind back to when Dalglish brought in Aldo, Beardsley and Barnes, by golly we were going to motor after that.
Other more recent managers have had some great moments too, like when Houiller brought in Berger, Hyppiä, Henchoz, Smicer all in a short space of time.
Benitez, was hit and miss but brought in Alonso more or less straight away along with Garcia, they are all players who improved the team straight away...
I have a lot of time for Brendan and his real strongpoint for me is his coaching and improving players, his tactics are also improving quickly for such a young manager.
I have to be honest though his transfer dealings have been dreadful considering the amount of money that's been made available. Lovren? Lallana? Marko? Balotelli ? Huge sums and next to no return this season. I still have Lallana's bottle job miss against Utd etched into my memory
The transfer dealing are the one thing that could see Brendan lose his job. He has to improve but he has a tough job coming it up this summer.
Could not agree more.
Our transfer policy and approach has been a disgrace, both the manager and the 'transfer committee' don't have a clue and have spent a small fortune on mediocrity.
Its like reading media on hear, and they get it wrong nearly every time
I like Moreno, Lallana, can.
Lambert worth the fee which is effectively free in today's market
Origi is an n/a as he hasn't played yet
I think Balo was misused rather than a bad buy. Which is really the same thing and a black mark on Rodgers
Loren was a bust
The general rule of thumb is that half the signings a manager makes should be successful.
So far this summer only Can could really be categorised as a successful signing. However, given time I'm hopeful that Lallana, Moreno and Markovic will prove to be money well spent.
Markovic has shown glimpses, but needs to find some consistency. We have probably overpaid for Lallana, but he has also shown signs of quality.
Balotelli has been abject, I never expected much, from him, despite being told by some on here that I was being negative, and that he was potentially world class.
Moreno, has great potential, but needs to come to terms with his defensive duties.
Lovren for me has been the biggest disappointment. Our new "leader" appears mentally fragile and one paced. He can still turn it around, but I'm not convinced he will do, because thus far he has been pretty poor.
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Scrapping the barrel there, that deal hasn't even kicked in yet!...
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£100m a couple of years ago is £250mil last year
pHACHT!
250?! But you're blatantly shifting goalposts.
You can't just do that. Have to say the 'TV deal' angle is a new one. Don't think I've ever heard that one before...
Seems like you're gonna stick with it..
I exaggerated
It's 249,999,999.95
It doesn't matter how much you spend of you can't get the top players to compete with the others. Unless of course like last season the team clicks together amazingly well and you get great momentum but that will never last time.
When you miss out on the likes of Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian etc like we have and others get them, it puts them ahead. You're left with trying to build a team that clicks together amazingly well again, it's much more difficult.
We need a couple of top players, if and its looking very likely, we miss out on top four, that's gonna become even more difficult.
last summer was about squad depth,
we had cut deep due to a few years without CL, and we needed a bigger squad.
hell we dident even have the europa.
now we need to move to a policy of spending our warchests on big signings, and recycling sales in to squad depth style signings, in the same way arsenal have the last two seasons (Ozil, Sanchez)
A lot of last summers signings will come good, those writing lovren off are probably the same "fans" that wrote sakho off in the summer.
Marko, Can, moreno cannot be faulted as signings, all could go on to be great and at least 2 of them will post a large profit for us one day.
From a United Fan.
I actually do like Rodgers. I do think he can improve Liverpool and himself. But it depends on how long fans are willing to wait.
Onto the signings:
Adam Lallana (£27m) - Is it me or have all the players that left Southampton last summer failed to impress? Lallana has done well but not £27m well. There are flashes but I don't think he will be a great signing considering the price.
Lazar Markovic (£22m) - Think this guy will take time to settle. He also needs to play where he is meant to rather than all over the place. It is no wonder he has no confidence. I thought he was an astute buy, someone who would be a long term signing, but if things carry on like they are now, it could be a problem. Play him in his best position and not at wing back.
Dejan Lovren (£20m) - This guy has been the worse of all the players sold by Southampton, when you consider his price and what people were expecting. Maybe he will improve. I would give him to Christmas to pick up his form. Otherwise he is better off sold.
Mario Balotelli (£16m) - Apparently he was going to Arsenal for £24m before the World Cup. He was a surprise signing and really feel that Liverpool would have been better off promoting a youth player than playing/buying him. Skill but no brain or work rate.
Alberto Moreno (£12m) - I think this guy will need time. Not sure if he will be great. Players like him can go either way. I thought he would be a great buy and wanted him instead of Shaw, who at £30m, is looking (at best) as good a buy as Lallana.
Divock Origi (£11m) - No point talking about him yet.
Emre Can (£10m) - Best buy by L'pool. I do think that he should be plaing as a CM or DM rather than a CB. I think he should be pushed forward. I am expecting him to do better next season.
Rickie Lambert (£4m) - He was bought as a experienced back-up, so it is understandable he didn't play much. I also think Rodgers thought he would add a different option to the team. Sadly, I don't think he is suited to way the team plays or how Rodgers wants to play.
I think some of the signings will be better next season. I do think Ballatoli and Lambert should be sold and replaced with someone who will actually challenge or replace Strurridge due to him being injury prone. If a player is injury prone, you cannot rely on him (same reason why I think we need CBs as I can't trust Smalling, Jones and Evans to stay fit enough - They won't improve or form partnerships if they are not fit to play).
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............Is it me or have all the players that left Southampton last summer failed to impress?
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You hit the nail on the head. The players who impressed in last season's Southampton team were part of a synergy i.e. better team than the sum of it's parts.
Sure the players individually had attributes but they brought better performances out of each other when playing together as a team for a few seasons.
The one signing I see no future for is Lovren. When he was at Southampton his stats suggested he gave the ball away more than almost any other player in his position.
What does he do for us? Gives the ball away on a regular basis, when we start to break forward it's a killer to have a player who does that, he may look better in a team that sits back a bit more than we do.
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posted on 6/4/15
Our transfer policy has been nothing short of 'an shambles'. It won't get any better whilst we have champagne dreams funded by lemonade pockets.
posted on 6/4/15
But you've spent over 100 mill this season...
That's some expensive lemonade to me..
posted on 6/4/15
Wasn't Lovren and Lallana both Rodgers buy?
posted on 6/4/15
It was a big spendathon that hasn;t yet worked out for most of the pl;ayers. Can is the only one that you could feel confident about being in the starting 11 next season.
And if its true that Rodgers has final say on the players he wants coming to the club then he has to bear a huge burden of responsibility
posted on 6/4/15
Lets wait till the end of the season.
posted on 6/4/15
Lallana - Had some good games but goes missing too often and holds on to the ball too long. 25m was too much based on this seasons performances but he's also had a lot of injuries that haven't let him get going.
Markovic - Been OK and will become better, but was an unnecessary signing when we had Ibe. Not a wingback, that much is evident and always makes dangerous runs behind the opposition defence when played further forward.
Lovren - Been rubbish, should have bought a right sided CB to compete with Skrtel as we'd already spent £18m on Sakho, our best CB. Hopefully can improve, but don't really have high hopes.
Balotelli - He'll be gone in the summer, and again has been rubbish. His work rate hasn't been that bad, but footballing wise he's been wánk, missed loads of chances and doesn't stretch the defence at all.
Moreno - Been suspect in the big games. IMO he'll get better and prove to be a good buy. Don't really think wing-back suits him, he's always in two minds where to be and gets caught out of position.
Origi - May turn out good for us, but the money spent on him and Markovic could've been used on one top class player with Ibe/Sinclair getting a chance.
Can - Been great at CB overall, struggled in the last 2 games but is gonna be class for us over the years. Should be him, Hendo and Coutinho in midfield until Lucas is match fit
Lambert - Good player in the right setup, but not right for us. He's better coming deep as a second striker, but Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling are all better there as well
posted on 6/4/15
Disagree mostly.
Lallana - overpriced, who isn't nowadays? Good player and very versatile, very good signing for the squad for a good few years. Every squad needs this type of player.
Markovic - Young player who has been very inconsistent but shown enough for me to think he can become a top player. Hopefully we can get back to playing a suitable system before the season is over and going into next season as some struggle in the current one, like Markovic. It's a shame we had to change it up and stick with this one as nothing else was working without a striker who could hold the ball and run in behind, with Sturridge injured.
Lovren - one of the best defenders in the league last season. Struggled this season. It's difficult for new signings to come into a struggling side. If he had come in January I suspect things would have been a lot easier for him. Still hopeful on him but has to drastically improve and take his chances when given.
Balotelli - where to begin? Left ourselves with no options when Sanchez turned us down. Settled for Balotelli who Rodgers didn't want having said we definitely won't be signing him. Has came in with an attitude that everybody is against him and infuriated Liverpool fans with countless shots from the Middle of nowhere. Not a Liverpool player in a million years. Our worst signing in many years in my opinion. I feel for him and I cringe when he's on the pitch and so much wanted him to work out but he can't work in this team. If somebody offers £10m bite their hand off.
Moreno - Young player who has shown massive potential since he came. Also shown the mistakes which he needs to iron out. The first which he seems to have worked on is holding the ball in the area thinking you have time, this is the Premier League, you don't. The second is positioning, I guess it's the system, he won't have played it that often. I have no doubt that he'll be Spain's left back in a couple of seasons. He can be that good.
Origi - didn't rate him when it was rumoured we were looking at him, didn't like what I saw when he played for Belgium and not impressed at all by the stats in France. However he hasn't pulled on a red shirt yet so I'll be reserving judgement.
Can - like Moreno you can see the massive potential. We need to get to a position where we can play him in midfield. Will be a top player.
Lambert, worth the gamble at £4m for a fourth choice striker for the bench to give us something different. I'd keep him if he's willing to continue in the role he agreed.
posted on 6/4/15
One thing that is the hallmark of a top manager especially a Liverpool one, is the abilty to pull off great signings. I cast my mind back to when Dalglish brought in Aldo, Beardsley and Barnes, by golly we were going to motor after that.
Other more recent managers have had some great moments too, like when Houiller brought in Berger, Hyppiä, Henchoz, Smicer all in a short space of time.
Benitez, was hit and miss but brought in Alonso more or less straight away along with Garcia, they are all players who improved the team straight away...
I have a lot of time for Brendan and his real strongpoint for me is his coaching and improving players, his tactics are also improving quickly for such a young manager.
I have to be honest though his transfer dealings have been dreadful considering the amount of money that's been made available. Lovren? Lallana? Marko? Balotelli ? Huge sums and next to no return this season. I still have Lallana's bottle job miss against Utd etched into my memory
The transfer dealing are the one thing that could see Brendan lose his job. He has to improve but he has a tough job coming it up this summer.
posted on 6/4/15
Could not agree more.
Our transfer policy and approach has been a disgrace, both the manager and the 'transfer committee' don't have a clue and have spent a small fortune on mediocrity.
posted on 6/4/15
Its like reading media on hear, and they get it wrong nearly every time
posted on 6/4/15
I like Moreno, Lallana, can.
Lambert worth the fee which is effectively free in today's market
Origi is an n/a as he hasn't played yet
I think Balo was misused rather than a bad buy. Which is really the same thing and a black mark on Rodgers
Loren was a bust
posted on 6/4/15
The general rule of thumb is that half the signings a manager makes should be successful.
So far this summer only Can could really be categorised as a successful signing. However, given time I'm hopeful that Lallana, Moreno and Markovic will prove to be money well spent.
Markovic has shown glimpses, but needs to find some consistency. We have probably overpaid for Lallana, but he has also shown signs of quality.
Balotelli has been abject, I never expected much, from him, despite being told by some on here that I was being negative, and that he was potentially world class.
Moreno, has great potential, but needs to come to terms with his defensive duties.
Lovren for me has been the biggest disappointment. Our new "leader" appears mentally fragile and one paced. He can still turn it around, but I'm not convinced he will do, because thus far he has been pretty poor.
posted on 6/4/15
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posted on 6/4/15
Scrapping the barrel there, that deal hasn't even kicked in yet!...
posted on 6/4/15
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 13 seconds ago
Scrapping the barrel there, that deal hasn't even kicked in yet!...
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Seems to have worked for United.
posted on 6/4/15
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posted on 6/4/15
£100m a couple of years ago is £250mil last year
pHACHT!
posted on 6/4/15
250?! But you're blatantly shifting goalposts.
You can't just do that. Have to say the 'TV deal' angle is a new one. Don't think I've ever heard that one before...
Seems like you're gonna stick with it..
posted on 6/4/15
I exaggerated
It's 249,999,999.95
posted on 7/4/15
It doesn't matter how much you spend of you can't get the top players to compete with the others. Unless of course like last season the team clicks together amazingly well and you get great momentum but that will never last time.
When you miss out on the likes of Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian etc like we have and others get them, it puts them ahead. You're left with trying to build a team that clicks together amazingly well again, it's much more difficult.
We need a couple of top players, if and its looking very likely, we miss out on top four, that's gonna become even more difficult.
posted on 7/4/15
last summer was about squad depth,
we had cut deep due to a few years without CL, and we needed a bigger squad.
hell we dident even have the europa.
now we need to move to a policy of spending our warchests on big signings, and recycling sales in to squad depth style signings, in the same way arsenal have the last two seasons (Ozil, Sanchez)
A lot of last summers signings will come good, those writing lovren off are probably the same "fans" that wrote sakho off in the summer.
Marko, Can, moreno cannot be faulted as signings, all could go on to be great and at least 2 of them will post a large profit for us one day.
posted on 7/4/15
From a United Fan.
I actually do like Rodgers. I do think he can improve Liverpool and himself. But it depends on how long fans are willing to wait.
Onto the signings:
Adam Lallana (£27m) - Is it me or have all the players that left Southampton last summer failed to impress? Lallana has done well but not £27m well. There are flashes but I don't think he will be a great signing considering the price.
Lazar Markovic (£22m) - Think this guy will take time to settle. He also needs to play where he is meant to rather than all over the place. It is no wonder he has no confidence. I thought he was an astute buy, someone who would be a long term signing, but if things carry on like they are now, it could be a problem. Play him in his best position and not at wing back.
Dejan Lovren (£20m) - This guy has been the worse of all the players sold by Southampton, when you consider his price and what people were expecting. Maybe he will improve. I would give him to Christmas to pick up his form. Otherwise he is better off sold.
Mario Balotelli (£16m) - Apparently he was going to Arsenal for £24m before the World Cup. He was a surprise signing and really feel that Liverpool would have been better off promoting a youth player than playing/buying him. Skill but no brain or work rate.
Alberto Moreno (£12m) - I think this guy will need time. Not sure if he will be great. Players like him can go either way. I thought he would be a great buy and wanted him instead of Shaw, who at £30m, is looking (at best) as good a buy as Lallana.
Divock Origi (£11m) - No point talking about him yet.
Emre Can (£10m) - Best buy by L'pool. I do think that he should be plaing as a CM or DM rather than a CB. I think he should be pushed forward. I am expecting him to do better next season.
Rickie Lambert (£4m) - He was bought as a experienced back-up, so it is understandable he didn't play much. I also think Rodgers thought he would add a different option to the team. Sadly, I don't think he is suited to way the team plays or how Rodgers wants to play.
I think some of the signings will be better next season. I do think Ballatoli and Lambert should be sold and replaced with someone who will actually challenge or replace Strurridge due to him being injury prone. If a player is injury prone, you cannot rely on him (same reason why I think we need CBs as I can't trust Smalling, Jones and Evans to stay fit enough - They won't improve or form partnerships if they are not fit to play).
posted on 7/4/15
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
............Is it me or have all the players that left Southampton last summer failed to impress?
***********************************************************
You hit the nail on the head. The players who impressed in last season's Southampton team were part of a synergy i.e. better team than the sum of it's parts.
Sure the players individually had attributes but they brought better performances out of each other when playing together as a team for a few seasons.
posted on 7/4/15
The one signing I see no future for is Lovren. When he was at Southampton his stats suggested he gave the ball away more than almost any other player in his position.
What does he do for us? Gives the ball away on a regular basis, when we start to break forward it's a killer to have a player who does that, he may look better in a team that sits back a bit more than we do.
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