UEFA seems to think Football exists in a bubble of its own which has no influence by the outside world. As much as it would be ideal, it simply is not ever going to happen. Sport, culture, tradition and opinions such as the one Pep displayed are usually intertwined and for UEFA to ban him over that shows how out of touch they really are.
Yawn preach brother preach from on high
UEFA FIFA FA all seem to think they are sterile from politics or anything when really these institutions are about as political as it gets.
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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Should have charged all of the Liverpool players for backing Chewie Suarez during the racism row!
Dundalk fc were fined by uefa last year because a fan brought a Palestinian flag to the home leg of a European game . Yet other countries flags are displayed at matches and uefa deems that to be acceptable.
I'm sure at that time Palestine state wasn't recognised by majority of UN members. I may be wrong.
Hence the fine and rightly so.
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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I think you have inadvertently hit on the exact reason why they ban any political (or "non-sporting" ) statements or slogans. Because who decides which issues are "controversial" and which are "acceptable"? If you allow freedom of expression for some you must allow it for all, not just the causes you think are just. So if you're gonna allow Kanoute to support Palestine then you must accept the player wearing a pro-Israel t-shirt when he scores. Can of worms.
This is the particular minefield (if you pardon the expression) that UEFA and FIFA are trying to avoid with a blanket ban.
Not saying that it's the best way to handle things, but you can see why they do it. Although how that relates to supporting a proper investigation into the death of a journalist I don't quite know.
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I'm sure at that time Palestine state wasn't recognised by majority of UN members. I may be wrong.
Hence the fine and rightly so.
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despite it being a legitimate country for centuries?
rightly so my hole
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comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 12 hours ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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The Palestinian issue is about as controversial as it is gets.
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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I think you have inadvertently hit on the exact reason why they ban any political (or "non-sporting" ) statements or slogans. Because who decides which issues are "controversial" and which are "acceptable"? If you allow freedom of expression for some you must allow it for all, not just the causes you think are just. So if you're gonna allow Kanoute to support Palestine then you must accept the player wearing a pro-Israel t-shirt when he scores. Can of worms.
This is the particular minefield (if you pardon the expression) that UEFA and FIFA are trying to avoid with a blanket ban.
Not saying that it's the best way to handle things, but you can see why they do it. Although how that relates to supporting a proper investigation into the death of a journalist I don't quite know.
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I do acknowledge and to a degree sympathise with that logic. However, as I alluded to in the article, this is an issue that has to be dealt with in many walks of life.
I think it's perfectly reasonable and workable to say that all political and social statements are acceptable so long as they do not veer into the realms of racism, sexism, homophobia or any other forms of prejudice.
Surely by their logic the kick it out t-shirts should also be banned...? But they wouldn't dare punish people for wearing those t-shirts (and rightly so) because that would be too controversial. But that is undeniably a political/social statement, so the argument isn't consistent anyway. They pick and choose depending on when it is socially acceptable. That is not good enough.
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I'm sure at that time Palestine state wasn't recognised by majority of UN members. I may be wrong.
Hence the fine and rightly so.
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despite it being a legitimate country for centuries?
rightly so my hole
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You should have prove that to UN and UEFA.
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posted on 22/4/15
UEFA seems to think Football exists in a bubble of its own which has no influence by the outside world. As much as it would be ideal, it simply is not ever going to happen. Sport, culture, tradition and opinions such as the one Pep displayed are usually intertwined and for UEFA to ban him over that shows how out of touch they really are.
posted on 22/4/15
Yawn preach brother preach from on high
posted on 22/4/15
UEFA FIFA FA all seem to think they are sterile from politics or anything when really these institutions are about as political as it gets.
posted on 23/4/15
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
posted on 23/4/15
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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posted on 23/4/15
Should have charged all of the Liverpool players for backing Chewie Suarez during the racism row!
posted on 23/4/15
Dundalk fc were fined by uefa last year because a fan brought a Palestinian flag to the home leg of a European game . Yet other countries flags are displayed at matches and uefa deems that to be acceptable.
posted on 23/4/15
I'm sure at that time Palestine state wasn't recognised by majority of UN members. I may be wrong.
Hence the fine and rightly so.
posted on 23/4/15
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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I think you have inadvertently hit on the exact reason why they ban any political (or "non-sporting" ) statements or slogans. Because who decides which issues are "controversial" and which are "acceptable"? If you allow freedom of expression for some you must allow it for all, not just the causes you think are just. So if you're gonna allow Kanoute to support Palestine then you must accept the player wearing a pro-Israel t-shirt when he scores. Can of worms.
This is the particular minefield (if you pardon the expression) that UEFA and FIFA are trying to avoid with a blanket ban.
Not saying that it's the best way to handle things, but you can see why they do it. Although how that relates to supporting a proper investigation into the death of a journalist I don't quite know.
posted on 23/4/15
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I'm sure at that time Palestine state wasn't recognised by majority of UN members. I may be wrong.
Hence the fine and rightly so.
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despite it being a legitimate country for centuries?
rightly so my hole
posted on 23/4/15
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posted on 23/4/15
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 12 hours ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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The Palestinian issue is about as controversial as it is gets.
posted on 23/4/15
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yes I agree OP!Also when Spanish FA punished Freddie Kanoute for wearing a T-shirt supporting free Palestine which was also out of order and wrong in my opinion.Players should not be supporting a controversial issue but they can support a just cause like Guardiola today and Kanoute's support for free Palestine.
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I think you have inadvertently hit on the exact reason why they ban any political (or "non-sporting" ) statements or slogans. Because who decides which issues are "controversial" and which are "acceptable"? If you allow freedom of expression for some you must allow it for all, not just the causes you think are just. So if you're gonna allow Kanoute to support Palestine then you must accept the player wearing a pro-Israel t-shirt when he scores. Can of worms.
This is the particular minefield (if you pardon the expression) that UEFA and FIFA are trying to avoid with a blanket ban.
Not saying that it's the best way to handle things, but you can see why they do it. Although how that relates to supporting a proper investigation into the death of a journalist I don't quite know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do acknowledge and to a degree sympathise with that logic. However, as I alluded to in the article, this is an issue that has to be dealt with in many walks of life.
I think it's perfectly reasonable and workable to say that all political and social statements are acceptable so long as they do not veer into the realms of racism, sexism, homophobia or any other forms of prejudice.
Surely by their logic the kick it out t-shirts should also be banned...? But they wouldn't dare punish people for wearing those t-shirts (and rightly so) because that would be too controversial. But that is undeniably a political/social statement, so the argument isn't consistent anyway. They pick and choose depending on when it is socially acceptable. That is not good enough.
posted on 23/4/15
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I'm sure at that time Palestine state wasn't recognised by majority of UN members. I may be wrong.
Hence the fine and rightly so.
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despite it being a legitimate country for centuries?
rightly so my hole
----
You should have prove that to UN and UEFA.
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