Margarito
Williams
Khan
Golovkin
Martinez
Forrest
Thurman
Brook
Crawford
So really, the same as Manny other than the cheat Margarito ( well done Manny for giving him a payday erm>
Floyd is fighting Manny - you really cannot accuse him of ducking here...or anyone. Manny is better than most, if not all, in that list
He can't fight everyone
Manny is the much smaller fighter, even Floyd admits this.
Derby is still delusional
He didn't have to fight the Ortiz's of this world as well.
A career of cherry picking
Very True Lefty, unfortunately some people don't see it like that and will reduce a win for Manny into nothing by this insistence (what's the point in beating someone who has no skills and doesn't belong at the top???) Bit like Rigo beating Quigg (makes no difference at all)
There is no fighter, in the modern Arena, who has fought the best fighter, every single time.
Take Mannys last fight for example, there were better fights for him, but he chose to take an "easy" fight.
I'm not knocking any boxer for doing this, who has not done that?
Mayweather doesn't need to "admit" he is a bigger fighter, its not something which he can hide.
Like I said, Mayweather's advantage is he is a better boxer.
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So Mayweather should have fought, Morales and Barrera and Ledwaba.
Winky Wright
Vernon Forrest
Paul Williams
Acelino Freitas
Joel Casamayor
Paul Spatafore
Kostya Tszyu
All would have beat Floyd, if they fought when they ALL called him out. Floyd would rather fight the likes of Sosa, Mitchell, Bruseles * and Corely and keep his 0.
*Cotto's sparring partner, fought him instead of Cotto in 2005. Cotto had to wait 7 years for that fight. Mosley also had to wait 7 years after calling Floyd out... Sound familiar?
He won titles at WW against Judah and Baldomir, paper champions if there ever was. Then when the big fights came round again (Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Williams) he feckin retired!
Then look at his record since he came back old Mosley, old Cotto and won titles from Guerrero, Ortiz and Maidana.
Forget Manny or anyone else's record, Floyd has never fought an "A" level fighters in their prime, at their best weight. Great skills but never tested himself, it's undeniable.
Evening Bitton,
Whilst there's a point to be made for what you've put, the same can be put to Manny too, fought a returning cheating g!t who looked a shell (if he hadnt only won by cheating) a Hatton after being splatted by Floyd, Mosley after Floyd, making others come in at catchweight (not ODLH, that was his choice) and then in his last fight taking on a completely out of his depth Algieri.
Although I have no idea why fans of either try and run down the opponents because at the end of the day, if you win, who did you really beat??? and if you lose then you must have been some kind of crap to lose to that idiot etc...
It is good to read most peoples view though tbf.
Pacman fans would say Wlad
Pacman fans would say Wlad
Bitton are you joking? You slag him for fighting Judah and boldamir THE WW champ at the time and want him to fight spatafore and Freitas??
He called out Mosley years ago it was mostly who turned it down due to "toothache" he then fought him after one of his biggest wins when he was THE WW champ!
Who the hell wants to watch wonky Floyd it would be the dullest fight ever!
What year would you have wanted him to fight Williams and Forrest?
He could've fought tszyu and I'm pretty sure he called him out! Casamayor what year would you want him to fight him!
Only fighter Floyd could've and should've fought is cotto at 140 (I'm pretty sure arum wanted no part of that Floyd mentioned it In the build up to his fight with him) and marg instead of fighting between Hatton but after what came out about marg I refuse to call it a duck!
I'm not saying it to say Manny is better by saying that about Floyd. I'm taking his record on it's own and it's just the way I've seen it develop since the late 90's regardless of who anyone else has fought
I've not mentioned manny...
His last 4 fights will be
Guerrero P4P ranked 7 (even D4 ranked him in top 10)
Alvarez no 1 LMW
Miadana x2 ranked best WW not signed with top rank!
Pacquiao no 1 WW AND P4P no2
That's a ridiculous high standard of fighting name me any other fighter in the last 2 years that has fought better opposition
diamond
Freitas and Casamayor were champs in the same division at the same time and BOTH called him out, what reason is there not to fight? Same with Kosta Tszyu and if he didn't want to fight him, then Spatafore, not Corely or Bruseles.
Could have fought Forrest or Williams after Hatton or Wright when he was supposed to (instead of ridiculous same day weigh in demands).
derby mentioned Manny.
Maidana or Guerrero are 100% not A level fighters. Either is Canelo right now, but he has potential .
Yup that was me, just stating that one can be levelled at Mayweather can be levelled at Manny.
Guerrero I agree with Bitton, but Maidana has improved a hell of a lot, Canelo was the fight everyone wanted other than Manny so can't agree there. Am just hoping the fight on Sunday doesn't go the same way
The question was asked, and then answered and now the fanboys are crying about it<doh]>
Forrest was finished in 2008 when he could've fought him, If he beat him he would be down as one of those old fighter past his best he beat! Williams got beat around the same time by Quintana so that fight only became viable again 2009ish
Who would you say in the WW division are A class fighters?
D4 I thought this was a forum where people could come on and discuss boxing! Not just have the first opinion and agree with it, that's not how forums are meant to work if it was every post would have 1 reply
There's been a lot more discussion lately Diamond, dunno why
The problem is you can pick apart any boxers record if you really want too, the only thing that matters at this point is whether Floyd and Manny are 1 and 2 (whichever way round you have them) which makes this a (possibly) amazing fight.
You guys know a lot more about boxing than I do. But some great points and good arguments.
Keep it up
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posted on 30/4/15
Margarito
Williams
Khan
Golovkin
Martinez
Forrest
Thurman
Brook
Crawford
posted on 30/4/15
So really, the same as Manny other than the cheat Margarito ( well done Manny for giving him a payday erm>
posted on 30/4/15
Floyd is fighting Manny - you really cannot accuse him of ducking here...or anyone. Manny is better than most, if not all, in that list
He can't fight everyone
posted on 30/4/15
Manny is the much smaller fighter, even Floyd admits this.
Derby is still delusional
posted on 30/4/15
He didn't have to fight the Ortiz's of this world as well.
A career of cherry picking
posted on 30/4/15
Very True Lefty, unfortunately some people don't see it like that and will reduce a win for Manny into nothing by this insistence (what's the point in beating someone who has no skills and doesn't belong at the top???) Bit like Rigo beating Quigg (makes no difference at all)
posted on 30/4/15
There is no fighter, in the modern Arena, who has fought the best fighter, every single time.
Take Mannys last fight for example, there were better fights for him, but he chose to take an "easy" fight.
I'm not knocking any boxer for doing this, who has not done that?
Mayweather doesn't need to "admit" he is a bigger fighter, its not something which he can hide.
Like I said, Mayweather's advantage is he is a better boxer.
posted on 30/4/15
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posted on 30/4/15
So Mayweather should have fought, Morales and Barrera and Ledwaba.
posted on 30/4/15
Winky Wright
Vernon Forrest
Paul Williams
Acelino Freitas
Joel Casamayor
Paul Spatafore
Kostya Tszyu
All would have beat Floyd, if they fought when they ALL called him out. Floyd would rather fight the likes of Sosa, Mitchell, Bruseles * and Corely and keep his 0.
*Cotto's sparring partner, fought him instead of Cotto in 2005. Cotto had to wait 7 years for that fight. Mosley also had to wait 7 years after calling Floyd out... Sound familiar?
He won titles at WW against Judah and Baldomir, paper champions if there ever was. Then when the big fights came round again (Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Williams) he feckin retired!
Then look at his record since he came back old Mosley, old Cotto and won titles from Guerrero, Ortiz and Maidana.
Forget Manny or anyone else's record, Floyd has never fought an "A" level fighters in their prime, at their best weight. Great skills but never tested himself, it's undeniable.
posted on 30/4/15
Evening Bitton,
Whilst there's a point to be made for what you've put, the same can be put to Manny too, fought a returning cheating g!t who looked a shell (if he hadnt only won by cheating) a Hatton after being splatted by Floyd, Mosley after Floyd, making others come in at catchweight (not ODLH, that was his choice) and then in his last fight taking on a completely out of his depth Algieri.
Although I have no idea why fans of either try and run down the opponents because at the end of the day, if you win, who did you really beat??? and if you lose then you must have been some kind of crap to lose to that idiot etc...
It is good to read most peoples view though tbf.
posted on 30/4/15
Pacman fans would say Wlad
posted on 30/4/15
Pacman fans would say Wlad
posted on 30/4/15
Bitton are you joking? You slag him for fighting Judah and boldamir THE WW champ at the time and want him to fight spatafore and Freitas??
He called out Mosley years ago it was mostly who turned it down due to "toothache" he then fought him after one of his biggest wins when he was THE WW champ!
Who the hell wants to watch wonky Floyd it would be the dullest fight ever!
What year would you have wanted him to fight Williams and Forrest?
He could've fought tszyu and I'm pretty sure he called him out! Casamayor what year would you want him to fight him!
Only fighter Floyd could've and should've fought is cotto at 140 (I'm pretty sure arum wanted no part of that Floyd mentioned it In the build up to his fight with him) and marg instead of fighting between Hatton but after what came out about marg I refuse to call it a duck!
posted on 30/4/15
I'm not saying it to say Manny is better by saying that about Floyd. I'm taking his record on it's own and it's just the way I've seen it develop since the late 90's regardless of who anyone else has fought
posted on 30/4/15
I've not mentioned manny...
posted on 30/4/15
His last 4 fights will be
Guerrero P4P ranked 7 (even D4 ranked him in top 10)
Alvarez no 1 LMW
Miadana x2 ranked best WW not signed with top rank!
Pacquiao no 1 WW AND P4P no2
That's a ridiculous high standard of fighting name me any other fighter in the last 2 years that has fought better opposition
posted on 30/4/15
diamond
Freitas and Casamayor were champs in the same division at the same time and BOTH called him out, what reason is there not to fight? Same with Kosta Tszyu and if he didn't want to fight him, then Spatafore, not Corely or Bruseles.
Could have fought Forrest or Williams after Hatton or Wright when he was supposed to (instead of ridiculous same day weigh in demands).
posted on 30/4/15
derby mentioned Manny.
Maidana or Guerrero are 100% not A level fighters. Either is Canelo right now, but he has potential .
posted on 30/4/15
Yup that was me, just stating that one can be levelled at Mayweather can be levelled at Manny.
Guerrero I agree with Bitton, but Maidana has improved a hell of a lot, Canelo was the fight everyone wanted other than Manny so can't agree there. Am just hoping the fight on Sunday doesn't go the same way
posted on 30/4/15
The question was asked, and then answered and now the fanboys are crying about it<doh]>
posted on 30/4/15
Forrest was finished in 2008 when he could've fought him, If he beat him he would be down as one of those old fighter past his best he beat! Williams got beat around the same time by Quintana so that fight only became viable again 2009ish
Who would you say in the WW division are A class fighters?
posted on 30/4/15
D4 I thought this was a forum where people could come on and discuss boxing! Not just have the first opinion and agree with it, that's not how forums are meant to work if it was every post would have 1 reply
posted on 30/4/15
There's been a lot more discussion lately Diamond, dunno why
The problem is you can pick apart any boxers record if you really want too, the only thing that matters at this point is whether Floyd and Manny are 1 and 2 (whichever way round you have them) which makes this a (possibly) amazing fight.
posted on 30/4/15
You guys know a lot more about boxing than I do. But some great points and good arguments.
Keep it up
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