Its a tough call IMO.

As a United fan I am not sure what I want you to do (with obviously the opposite being better for City)

Pellegrini is a pretty good manager, although he is old and it isn't impossible you could improve on him. Pretty close either way IMO.

Main thing is to get Yaya out of the club
He's stunk the place out for long enough
If pellegrini is to continue I'd like to see Vieira moved up to replace Brian Kidd as the no2 with a view to replacing him in the next year or two

I think he comments about Chelsea are what he will argue to keep his job.

it will be a close call.

It's not Pellegrini who will build the team remember, it's Begiristain. It's why we have the set up that we do - stability should come from behind the scenes.

Now whether he has done a good job or not is a very different question. Jury is still out for me.

Jury needs to decide what impact the likes of Yaya Nasri Dzeko etc played in the destabilising of the dressing room and whether pellegrini should realistically have been able to address it and manage the situation better

from the outside, I can't think of anything notable or exceptional about Pellegrini

He doesn't seem all that inspiring, signings nothing epic, standard tactics.

Kind of like he just says "OK, you XI lads go out there in your favourite positions and try to win. If you look tired I'll send someone on so you can get a bit of rest, Oh, and if you want to chat I'm boiling the kettle in 45 mins"

There's nothing that seems to differentiate him from other managers other than doing the obvious.

Hi Melts

I reckon if he finishes 2nd he should get another year.

In fairness a title win and then follow it up with a 2nd place finish is not to shabby.

Admittedley the title defence post Christmas has been poor, as a neutral I think he should get 1 more crack

comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
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from the outside, I can't think of anything notable or exceptional about Pellegrini

He doesn't seem all that inspiring, signings nothing epic, standard tactics.

Kind of like he just says "OK, you XI lads go out there in your favourite positions and try to win. If you look tired I'll send someone on so you can get a bit of rest, Oh, and if you want to chat I'm boiling the kettle in 45 mins"

There's nothing that seems to differentiate him from other managers other than doing the obvious.
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I can agree with that hes more like a yes man brought in to steady the ship but to be fair the football last season was breathtaking at times.

I will just never warm to Pelle like Mancini though, Bobby had more passion in his little toe than Pelle.

there aren't any negatives to really criticise him for though either

he's just kind of there

Hi Irish, how are you buddy?

Agree with all of that

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Hi Irish, how are you buddy?

Agree with all of that
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Good mate thanks, will Cuty spend big in the Summer or will FFP curtail this?

We should be ok with FFP, particularly with the new tv deal.

There's a few that could spend big this year though so it's going to be interesting who gets who.

Klopp's been at Dortmund for quite a while and I'd expect him to ship out with a few of his backroom staff. The same lads who've assembled a top-flight squad from places as diverse as Armenia, Gabon, Poland and Japan.
I can't even begin to imagine the kind of unit they'd put together with City's money.

from the outside, I can't think of anything notable or exceptional about Pellegrini

He doesn't seem all that inspiring, signings nothing epic, standard tactics.

Kind of like he just says "OK, you XI lads go out there in your favourite positions and try to win. If you look tired I'll send someone on so you can get a bit of rest, Oh, and if you want to chat I'm boiling the kettle in 45 mins"

There's nothing that seems to differentiate him from other managers other than doing the obvious.

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You're probably, and understandably, coming to your conclusion about Pellegrini based on how he deals with the media. Understandable because he doesn't come across as notable or exceptional in this respect.

Do you really think however that, even based on the perception that you have of him, that his team talks amount to something a kid who has played FM would come out with?

Pellegrini is a title-winning manager. I know for a fact that he has more about him than the persona that is portrayed in the media.

he obviously didn't reach the top of his profession by doing nothing Ripley's

but between his media persona, tactics, transfers, style, etc. nothing stands out.

I wasn't trying to criticise him, it's just an enigma. Nearly all other top managers I can think of have things that stand out in a 'colourful' way somehow linked to their success. From a perception standpoint he's just a spectrum of 'grey'

Tactically, pre city at least, he was very very good. There have been a couple of games this season where I think he has got it wrong though.

I get your point Kaiser's, but again it boils down to his media persona, which doesn't stand out, isn't controversial. So "from a perception standpoint", I fully understand why you would think of him as "grey".

However, that says more about the influence of the media in forming perception, which can influence people (such as yourself) over and above such a person's actual achievements.

On one hand you say that you can't think of anything notable or exceptional about Pellegrini. Yet in your next post you wrote that Pellegrini has reached the top of his profession.

Well, isn't that notable or exceptional? After all, a person who reaches the the top of their chosen profession isn't someone who is mediocre, who isn't notable, who isn't exceptional, or who isn't, as you put it, "grey".

Put it this way -

Does a manager reach the top of his profession by giving team-talks that consist of "OK, you XI lads go out there in your favourite positions and try to win. If you look tired I'll send someone on so you can get a bit of rest, Oh, and if you want to chat I'm boiling the kettle in 45 mins"?

that's why it's an enigma

usually success is paired with a fairly easy to spot reason why. I think you're overplaying the media side of it. It's also all the other bits.

Pellegrini is a top top manager for City because.....
Some other club should try and poach him because....

I'm drawing a blank other than 'has won trophies'. Why does he win trophies though?

I think you're overplaying the media side of it

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You're talking about his persona. What exactly are you basing your perception of him on (in the sense of him not being "colourful" ), if it's not his interaction with the media?

You say "it's also all the other bits".

Explain.

He doesn't have any trademarks that he's the 'best' at

He isn't known for any standout, distinctive tactics
He isn't known for any standout, distinctive style of play
He isn't known for introducing new things throughout a season or to change a match
He rotates, but not too much or too little
He doesn't get involved in mind games / influence off the pitch
He doesn't have some standout, distinctive transfer or youth plan

Maybe that's what it is. He's the king of keeping things extremely simple. 3 bears style. never too hot, never too cold, but always just right.

no controversy, no gambling, no distractions. just the basics done right.

Good post Kaisers.

I think in regards to a transfer plan or youth plan, that isn't his remit at City. He signed a 3 year contract and won't renew should he still be in charge at the end of it.

"He doesn't get involved in mind games"

He does a little. However, he's the kind of person who is unfazed by that side of things. It does get to him on occasion, and when it does he doesn't handle it too well in my opinion (which probably explains his reluctance to get involved in such shenanigans!)

"He isn't known for introducing new things throughout a season or to change a match"

He has a strong mindset - sometimes to his own detriment. I do know that he requires his subs to watch the game and focus on the players who, should the subs come on, they would be expected to exploit. He doesn't introduce subs in order to change tactics, he introduces subs in the hope that they will be able to exploit weaknesses in the opposition that players on the pitch weren't able to see.

"He isn't known for any standout, distinctive tactics
He isn't known for any standout, distinctive style of play"

He is. He was a breath of fresh air last season, introducing an attacking play to City's team that was lacking under the defensively-minded Mancini. The result was 158 goals scored!! City under Mancini and City under Pellegrini are two very different sides.

TBH (and I can feel hell freezing over) I kind of agree with TKT.

Or at least this is what I think (and I suspect might be TKT's view)

Pellegrini is a really good manager, you don't reach the level he has without being so.

When it comes to comparing his strengths and weaknesses to other managers rather than specific strengths or weaknesses he seems like more of an all rounder.

That is he is good at everything but in comparison to the other good managers he'll be weaker than their strengths but stronger than their weaknesses.

I think that is what TKT was getting at but all rounder seems a better (or nicer) way to put it than 'grey' or no particular strengths which can sound like an insult.

fair points, I was painting with a broad brush is all, not making always or never type statements (may not have come across that way in type)

I think we're somewhat in agreement that he isn't an 'extreme' manager in the way many of his peers are. That was meant to be the idea I was trying to get across anyway.

hell just froze over SAF