Keep dreaming, Pearson's gonna do a Wenger and be here forever!
Not sure about the successes of a chief coach in England John. All of the most successful managers have had control over transfers.
Ferguson.
Mourihno.
Wenger.
Can you imagine Mourinho allowing a comittee to tell him who he's coaching?
Understand it's a reasonably successful model in Europe, but I'm yet to see the results in England. West Brom and Liverpool are hardly shining beacons fr the approach. I guess Swansea is the closest to success.
Also, whilst Pearson may not be your cup of tea, can you not see the strengths in his scouting team. You may want a committee but I am a huge advocate of the manager being in control of his team. He has to get them playing in his vision.
Pearson in essence is our head coach with a director of football and staff managing transfer negotiations and identifying targets. I see this model as more appropriate to our club and league.
The day we've got the spending power of Madrid and can bring in the world's best players, I might change my mind.
Referring back to JG's original post, I see he's adequately covered his backside.
If Clement's a success it'll be a case of 'I told you so' and if not it'll be 'well, if he'd come to us instead with our superior finances and infrastructure'....
Who the hell is Paul Clement? I've never heard of him! In fact I don't care who is. No loss whatsoever
So John let me get this straight, you think it's a huge loss that a coach who has never managed a team in his life and has no experince of the PL, has chosen another club and you think we should have replaced Pearson with this guy?
Are you completely mad? I agree with OOA for once, it would be a huge risk and an absolutely ridiculous one!
Pearson has proven himself in this league and proven you wrong many many times and this article is just another sad attempt to discredit the job the guy is doing. You're unbelievable!
Pearson is building a very good team and is without doubt the right person to take us forward.
!
"However most have not been paying attention to the detail of recent posts concerning structural changes alongside appointment of a Chief Coach to bring us into 21st century..."
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Just to make this clear for a bamboozled mind like my own, because I think I might have missed it; are you saying that this:
a) Has happened
b) Will happen
c) Should happen in your opinion?
Because the last significant change I remember was Jon Rudkin taking over as Director of Football from Terry Robinson, and that was months ago. I don't remember the appointment of a new head coach.
- I do not believe the owners - a consortium of investors essentially- have the commitment and resource to finance the major investment
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Well John Ashdown who is one of the guardians main football league writers said on Football Weekly that Clement is apparently on £1 Million a year which is frankly unbelievable wages for a manager with no experience of management. So it wouldn't just be a footballing gamble but a financial one too
The modern history of the English football league is littered with the corpses of careers of managers who allegedly "didn't have enough resources".
What on earth is this? Why would we want Paul Clement? Supposedly a top coach, but absolutely zero experience as a manager. I understand people need a chance, but why would we take a risk when the club has just survived a very difficult season. Now is time for stability, surely you must agree with that?
If I was a Derby fan, I'd be looking at the positives here in that he's considered a hot prospect within the game and has experience from a variety of different leagues. Derby's also a decent-sized club for him to prove himself, starting with achieving a promotion. Unlike John, I believe it's a good fit all round.
It’s interesting to note that when some of us were defending Pearson during our difficult period that we were often dismissed with reference to our league position. We were told that sentiment was irrelevant and that the measure of our league position was the only thing that was important. My preference was to look at the bigger picture and measure the achievements of Pearson all the way through his two terms at the club. Now we have achieved 14th position in the table and retained our Premier League status the posters who remain firmly anti-Pearson are suddenly not so keen to use this as an absolute measure. The preference now is to use the middle third of the season when we desperately strived unsuccessfully for good results.
Why should we use the poor part of the season as opposed to the last 9 games or the first 6 games? The answer, for me, is to use neither, but look at NP’s record overall. A measure of his achievements that includes two promotions, two play off finishes and a successful fight against relegation. I really do believe that my appreciation of Nigel Pearson’s efforts isn’t borne out of some kind of bias, but a genuine measure of the success he’s brought to the football club.. I’m not looking at this through blue tinted spectacles, I’m not trying to imply that everything in the garden is rosy, but I’m still happier with the progress at the football club than I have been since the days of Martin O’Neill some 10-15 years ago.
I do think that NP has weaknesses – I don’t think he’s tactically the greatest and I sometimes think there is an over-reliance on effort over quality – but I also think he has some great strengths. The curve remains upwards and that’s why I don’t see any reason to jeopardise this by changing the manager unnecessarily.
I genuinely believe that if you are still disappointed with the progress that the club has made under Nigel Pearson, bearing in mind that he originally picked us up in the third tier, then you must have incredibly high expectations that I don’t consider to be entirely realistic. Whether he is the right man to continue to lead us forward is another debate, but there has to be some risk to changing to an alternative strategy. It’s a risk that I don’t think is worth considering now with an inexperienced candidate like Clement even if history ultimately proves me wrong with the benefit of some considerable hindsight.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
If I was a Derby fan, I'd be looking at the positives here in that he's considered a hot prospect within the game and has experience from a variety of different leagues. Derby's also a decent-sized club for him to prove himself, starting with achieving a promotion. Unlike John, I believe it's a good fit all round.
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JG, I might have missed something in your previous posts, but I'm getting the inkling that you may not be fully supportive of our great leader?
This season has not been a disaster, Pearson achieved what was required - to keep us in the EPL. He did more than that, achieving 14th place. As such, he probably deserves a chance to see if he can achieve more next season.
I agree with most posters that installing Clement would have been a huge risk. Personally I would keep Pearson and give him the opportunity to prove doubters wrong. After all he has risen to, and met, every challenge so far. I hope he can continue to develop and improve with the squad and club.
Sorry Dunge - been travelling - my view of him being at Derby is of course coloured by jealousy and I agree he will be a good fit there and develop the club.
The reference to the owners and commitment is that compared to ours and their express intention of financing long term and building a really powerful Premiership club - I don't believe similar facility is represented by their consortium.
He will be a terrific coach and brings enormous experience of the highest class - having coached many of the worlds top players and importantly gained their respect. This augurs well for a raft of good young players which exist at Derby and he will attract good players - they know he will develop them- However overall they failed last year by the overall paucity of the squad and this will need attention.
He will enjoy the location and its proximity to St Georges - where he attended and lectured at the end of last season- where I learned about his intention to move to UK at the end of 14/15.
Good luck to him ..... just a thought ... if Cambiasso had to choose as a young player would he rather be in a team run by Clement or Pearson ... what would he choose!!
Not that I wish to harp back to it, but if I was a truly dedicated young player now, I'd be more put off by the incident in Thailand and the fact that other young professionals around the club are being anything but professional. (Another reason for making an example out of them.)
As others have said, Clement still has a lot to prove. That's not to say that he'll fail, but that it's still up in the air:
Can he build a team?
Does he have an eye for a good signing?
Can he be nice when he needs to and hard when he needs to?
Can he adapt to the English game?
Can he handle being the top man rather than a number 2?
Can he turn around a losing run and keep the trust of the dressing room in the process?
That's a lot of questions yet to be answered, and I don't think a young, future world-class player would want to put all his eggs in the Clement basket just yet and would be much rather to go where the facilities are than for one unproven man. I also think you're wrong about Pearson's character of course, but that's a disagreement that shows no signing of abating.
A question for JG:
Assuming that next season sees Clement in charge at Derby and Pearson at Leicester for the whole campaign what targets would you set each in order to assess at the season's end whether they have been a success or not?
That's easy Leicester top 5 finish
Derby champions with 106 points.
comment by For Fox Sake (U4263)
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
A question for JG:
Assuming that next season sees Clement in charge at Derby and Pearson at Leicester for the whole campaign what targets would you set each in order to assess at the season's end whether they have been a success or not?
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I don't know what JG would say, but my target for Leicester next season is to stay in the league again with a bit more comfort than last season. An improvement on 14th would be the stretch target.
As for Derby I think if you said they'd finish next season in the play-offs, the following season they would win the league with 102 points and the following season they would finish in 14th place in the PL -then I don't think that you would have much of an argument against his appointment being anything other than an great success!
JG
I have to say I am dissapointed but not surprised that after a season that was typical LCFC.
More ups and downs than we would have liked, the odd bit of deserved criticism, the odd bit of undeserved criticism, great team performances, lacklustre performances etc.
Yet at the end IMO we over achieved against 99.9% of our own pre seasons predictions.
But still you cannot help yourself to carry on your diatribe against NP.
You seem to want anybody but NP, completely your own opinion of course but some acceptance that you have been wrong on the odd occasion and that NP and the players deserve great credit for achieving 14th would be beneficial.
Maybe next you will be saying we ought to bring in John Carver as he thinks he is the best coach in the Premier League.
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posted on 2/6/15
Keep dreaming, Pearson's gonna do a Wenger and be here forever!
posted on 2/6/15
Not sure about the successes of a chief coach in England John. All of the most successful managers have had control over transfers.
Ferguson.
Mourihno.
Wenger.
Can you imagine Mourinho allowing a comittee to tell him who he's coaching?
Understand it's a reasonably successful model in Europe, but I'm yet to see the results in England. West Brom and Liverpool are hardly shining beacons fr the approach. I guess Swansea is the closest to success.
Also, whilst Pearson may not be your cup of tea, can you not see the strengths in his scouting team. You may want a committee but I am a huge advocate of the manager being in control of his team. He has to get them playing in his vision.
Pearson in essence is our head coach with a director of football and staff managing transfer negotiations and identifying targets. I see this model as more appropriate to our club and league.
The day we've got the spending power of Madrid and can bring in the world's best players, I might change my mind.
posted on 2/6/15
Referring back to JG's original post, I see he's adequately covered his backside.
If Clement's a success it'll be a case of 'I told you so' and if not it'll be 'well, if he'd come to us instead with our superior finances and infrastructure'....
posted on 2/6/15
Who the hell is Paul Clement? I've never heard of him! In fact I don't care who is. No loss whatsoever
So John let me get this straight, you think it's a huge loss that a coach who has never managed a team in his life and has no experince of the PL, has chosen another club and you think we should have replaced Pearson with this guy?
Are you completely mad? I agree with OOA for once, it would be a huge risk and an absolutely ridiculous one!
Pearson has proven himself in this league and proven you wrong many many times and this article is just another sad attempt to discredit the job the guy is doing. You're unbelievable!
Pearson is building a very good team and is without doubt the right person to take us forward.
!
posted on 2/6/15
"However most have not been paying attention to the detail of recent posts concerning structural changes alongside appointment of a Chief Coach to bring us into 21st century..."
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Just to make this clear for a bamboozled mind like my own, because I think I might have missed it; are you saying that this:
a) Has happened
b) Will happen
c) Should happen in your opinion?
Because the last significant change I remember was Jon Rudkin taking over as Director of Football from Terry Robinson, and that was months ago. I don't remember the appointment of a new head coach.
posted on 2/6/15
- I do not believe the owners - a consortium of investors essentially- have the commitment and resource to finance the major investment
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Well John Ashdown who is one of the guardians main football league writers said on Football Weekly that Clement is apparently on £1 Million a year which is frankly unbelievable wages for a manager with no experience of management. So it wouldn't just be a footballing gamble but a financial one too
posted on 2/6/15
The modern history of the English football league is littered with the corpses of careers of managers who allegedly "didn't have enough resources".
posted on 2/6/15
What on earth is this? Why would we want Paul Clement? Supposedly a top coach, but absolutely zero experience as a manager. I understand people need a chance, but why would we take a risk when the club has just survived a very difficult season. Now is time for stability, surely you must agree with that?
posted on 2/6/15
If I was a Derby fan, I'd be looking at the positives here in that he's considered a hot prospect within the game and has experience from a variety of different leagues. Derby's also a decent-sized club for him to prove himself, starting with achieving a promotion. Unlike John, I believe it's a good fit all round.
posted on 2/6/15
It’s interesting to note that when some of us were defending Pearson during our difficult period that we were often dismissed with reference to our league position. We were told that sentiment was irrelevant and that the measure of our league position was the only thing that was important. My preference was to look at the bigger picture and measure the achievements of Pearson all the way through his two terms at the club. Now we have achieved 14th position in the table and retained our Premier League status the posters who remain firmly anti-Pearson are suddenly not so keen to use this as an absolute measure. The preference now is to use the middle third of the season when we desperately strived unsuccessfully for good results.
Why should we use the poor part of the season as opposed to the last 9 games or the first 6 games? The answer, for me, is to use neither, but look at NP’s record overall. A measure of his achievements that includes two promotions, two play off finishes and a successful fight against relegation. I really do believe that my appreciation of Nigel Pearson’s efforts isn’t borne out of some kind of bias, but a genuine measure of the success he’s brought to the football club.. I’m not looking at this through blue tinted spectacles, I’m not trying to imply that everything in the garden is rosy, but I’m still happier with the progress at the football club than I have been since the days of Martin O’Neill some 10-15 years ago.
I do think that NP has weaknesses – I don’t think he’s tactically the greatest and I sometimes think there is an over-reliance on effort over quality – but I also think he has some great strengths. The curve remains upwards and that’s why I don’t see any reason to jeopardise this by changing the manager unnecessarily.
I genuinely believe that if you are still disappointed with the progress that the club has made under Nigel Pearson, bearing in mind that he originally picked us up in the third tier, then you must have incredibly high expectations that I don’t consider to be entirely realistic. Whether he is the right man to continue to lead us forward is another debate, but there has to be some risk to changing to an alternative strategy. It’s a risk that I don’t think is worth considering now with an inexperienced candidate like Clement even if history ultimately proves me wrong with the benefit of some considerable hindsight.
posted on 2/6/15
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posted on 2/6/15
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
If I was a Derby fan, I'd be looking at the positives here in that he's considered a hot prospect within the game and has experience from a variety of different leagues. Derby's also a decent-sized club for him to prove himself, starting with achieving a promotion. Unlike John, I believe it's a good fit all round.
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posted on 2/6/15
JG, I might have missed something in your previous posts, but I'm getting the inkling that you may not be fully supportive of our great leader?
This season has not been a disaster, Pearson achieved what was required - to keep us in the EPL. He did more than that, achieving 14th place. As such, he probably deserves a chance to see if he can achieve more next season.
I agree with most posters that installing Clement would have been a huge risk. Personally I would keep Pearson and give him the opportunity to prove doubters wrong. After all he has risen to, and met, every challenge so far. I hope he can continue to develop and improve with the squad and club.
posted on 3/6/15
Sorry Dunge - been travelling - my view of him being at Derby is of course coloured by jealousy and I agree he will be a good fit there and develop the club.
The reference to the owners and commitment is that compared to ours and their express intention of financing long term and building a really powerful Premiership club - I don't believe similar facility is represented by their consortium.
He will be a terrific coach and brings enormous experience of the highest class - having coached many of the worlds top players and importantly gained their respect. This augurs well for a raft of good young players which exist at Derby and he will attract good players - they know he will develop them- However overall they failed last year by the overall paucity of the squad and this will need attention.
He will enjoy the location and its proximity to St Georges - where he attended and lectured at the end of last season- where I learned about his intention to move to UK at the end of 14/15.
Good luck to him ..... just a thought ... if Cambiasso had to choose as a young player would he rather be in a team run by Clement or Pearson ... what would he choose!!
posted on 3/6/15
Not that I wish to harp back to it, but if I was a truly dedicated young player now, I'd be more put off by the incident in Thailand and the fact that other young professionals around the club are being anything but professional. (Another reason for making an example out of them.)
As others have said, Clement still has a lot to prove. That's not to say that he'll fail, but that it's still up in the air:
Can he build a team?
Does he have an eye for a good signing?
Can he be nice when he needs to and hard when he needs to?
Can he adapt to the English game?
Can he handle being the top man rather than a number 2?
Can he turn around a losing run and keep the trust of the dressing room in the process?
That's a lot of questions yet to be answered, and I don't think a young, future world-class player would want to put all his eggs in the Clement basket just yet and would be much rather to go where the facilities are than for one unproven man. I also think you're wrong about Pearson's character of course, but that's a disagreement that shows no signing of abating.
posted on 3/6/15
A question for JG:
Assuming that next season sees Clement in charge at Derby and Pearson at Leicester for the whole campaign what targets would you set each in order to assess at the season's end whether they have been a success or not?
posted on 4/6/15
That's easy Leicester top 5 finish
Derby champions with 106 points.
posted on 4/6/15
comment by For Fox Sake (U4263)
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
A question for JG:
Assuming that next season sees Clement in charge at Derby and Pearson at Leicester for the whole campaign what targets would you set each in order to assess at the season's end whether they have been a success or not?
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I don't know what JG would say, but my target for Leicester next season is to stay in the league again with a bit more comfort than last season. An improvement on 14th would be the stretch target.
As for Derby I think if you said they'd finish next season in the play-offs, the following season they would win the league with 102 points and the following season they would finish in 14th place in the PL -then I don't think that you would have much of an argument against his appointment being anything other than an great success!
posted on 10/6/15
JG
I have to say I am dissapointed but not surprised that after a season that was typical LCFC.
More ups and downs than we would have liked, the odd bit of deserved criticism, the odd bit of undeserved criticism, great team performances, lacklustre performances etc.
Yet at the end IMO we over achieved against 99.9% of our own pre seasons predictions.
But still you cannot help yourself to carry on your diatribe against NP.
You seem to want anybody but NP, completely your own opinion of course but some acceptance that you have been wrong on the odd occasion and that NP and the players deserve great credit for achieving 14th would be beneficial.
Maybe next you will be saying we ought to bring in John Carver as he thinks he is the best coach in the Premier League.
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