At least Levy is not losing his best player, is he?

the problem for us is that we dont have a stadium that gives us a revenue to compete.. so we have to be very smart with the way we do business...

that does not excuse rank bad team selection from harry as was the case today. going into a game v city with no dm.... when they have aguero nasri and silva in attacking mid.

i mean honestly....

Not really.

Both are trying to run financially prudently.

The Goons to their advantage have the cash flow of perpetual CL and 50,000+ stadium revenues.

Spurs to their disadvantage are a PLC.
The financial reqts on the business conduct of a PLC are far more stringent (and we have almost been put out of business by the antics of a mega-money owner who couldn't understand the basics) .

Boards can be nasty.

I don't know. I want answers. A lot of fans don't seem to care. They have been brought up on a 'propoganda' type thing of 'support through thick and thin'. I call it 'blind' support. Nothing to be proud of.

Everything is fine? Bury our heads in the sand?

We will always be Premier League.

Unless you have the world's most expensive ticket. Unless you sell your best players and don't spend the money.

Unless fools stand by and idly watch Americans strip us bare for their own business interests.

I love my club, and I refuse to believe it's Wenger.

I dont think its stan as its been happening for years before he came along.

I blame Hill-Wood and Gazidis.

Your club is fine.

But the timing of losing Fibreglas + Nasri really rips the heart out of your team.

60-ish million ??
Too late now to spend it (the best assets are long sold/retained) .

Unless you have a Messi-esque signing coming on a VDV deadline ...

Spurs and Arsenal have to fill in their checks.Man City just leaves other clubs blank checks!

Spurs and Arsenal have to fill in their checks.Man City just leaves other clubs blank checks!

Bit of a trite answer dave. It was a serious question, not meant to wum but wondering who Arsenal and Spurs fans feel are culpable for the current run of results and if the boards attitude has a bearing on it. Just interested is all but hey if cheap shots stop you thinking fair enough.

Here is a question for you LEE1PEN,Do you think you would be in the PL,if you didnt have mega rich owners?

Yes we would but we would probably be hanging around the bottom half as we did under Pearce. Remember we were already in the prem when we were taken over and had at one stage reached the giddy heights of 9th.

Lee1pen,as from 1 fan to the other are you happy with the way your club,can outbid any one in the Transfer window or does it bore you no one can match what you would pay,I mean for example Ade you paid 24 mill for ,then have passed us the option of buying him for 12 million next year.
Thats a 12 mill loss,do you think its a case of clubs see you coming and whack 10 mill on top or is it a case of i don't care what we pay we can afford it,and i love it ?
The only reason I ask is purely out of curiosity,I don't mean to Wum you mate but I think the prices you pay are ludicrous.

Thats fine, but am I happy about it. Damn right I am. Lets face it most fans would snatch your hand off to be in this position, indeed the moral tone only comes out when your not in that position. I doubt any fan of any club would pass up the position we find ourselves in. If a rich owner came in, developed your staia and your team would you take the moral high ground and say no more I will not support you. Would you see an empty 50,000 seater empty stadia or do you think your club would probably sell out ...in both meanings of the word...every week?

By the way your example is of a player bought by a different manager. A more reasonable one is what you might get for Crouch when he's sold and what we might get for someone like Silva if we sold him.

Lee thanks for answering my questions mate ,good luck with the rest of the season,apart from when we meet again.
By the way mate id love it if we were in your position.
As for Crouch we will be lucky to get 4 mill for him.

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RDBD, when your owners leave.
Well as the same owners have been responsible for keeping the horse racing community alive tor the last 50 years and without their money it would be in an even worse state what makes you think that will happen?

And I didnt realise I was talking to a Madrid, United, Barca fan because though it pains me to say so those are the 3 highest profile clubs

I for one would like a nutcase coming in to Spurs to spend all his oil money there.Heck yes!Might even get our new stadium built.All those Spurs fans and they can't even get in the ground! Ridiculous....how much has that cost us,I wonder?In money AND fanbase.

Another thought comes to mind.Didn't Ramos start off a season like this before he was shunted out.....for dear old Harry (Only 2 points from 8 games)?

COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!!!!!!!

If you talk nicely to Mr Johnson now and your local council after the events of the last couple of weeks it looks as though you might get a nice gift from them both.

Madrid, United, Barca ??

Please provide us with all the juicy details of when they were within inches of being declared commercially bankrupt and shut down forever, at the time when their base product (the team) was performing well.

I am always ready to be educated on such matters ...

Madrid 10 years ago nearly went to the wall and would have done had the local council not bought their stadia then sond it back for a pepercorn fee.
United were nearly under in the 30's hence our nickname for them of the rags as we loaned them the shirts on their backs.
Barca
An audit by Deloitte in July 2010 showed that Barcelona had a net debt of €442 million, currently 58% of net worth as evaluated by Forbes

So yes 2 out of the 3 have come as close as spurs. Having said that I do admit to misreading your post and thinking you were saying Spurs were the highest profile football club, sorry but my mistake.
Still you havnt answered my question though I've been happy to answer all yours. So does your chairman playing hard ball effect your transfer dealings?

So 1 out of 3 (United were nothing in the 30s, Barcas' debts have not been called in) .


Re : Levy. The answer is NO.

Spurs are a *PLC* .
And PLCs have to be run in a prudent manner.

Playing hardball on purchases is all a PLC can do when they do not have financial capital accrued from the actual business activities of the PLC.

And going into serious speculative debt is something Spurs will not do, due to the activities of the recent owners being the business to the brink.

Spurs is indeed a PLC but its also a football club, I think there is a ballance between the two and I'm not overly convinced that Spurs and Arsenals chairmen have got that ballance.
But thanks for the answers and you've given me some insight into why they behave as they do.

Spurs know only too well what happens when the board forgets the divide between business and football. It will not happen again on ENICs' watch. And glad of it I am too.

I am perplexed by the Goons, as a bigger stadium + perpetual CL money is of benefit (although they are still paying for the stadium) .

It also raises interesting questions for Spurs.
The stadium route is going to be be followed soon. And under worse constraints (poncing politniks, commercial loan climate etc) .

If the 6 yr stagnation at the Library is due to the cost, then Spurs supporters better prepare for another wilderness decade like the post-Scholar era ...

What I am suprised about though is the lack of use in the summer of both stadia for concerts and other fund raising business.
When we were at Maine Road we were putting any number of concerts on and we've had a few at the Coms....maybe with the number of festivals though thats not a route that can be taken anymore.

WHL is not viable (transport infrastructure is dire) .
That was on the cards if Spurs got the OS.

The Library, that is something they could consider perhaps.