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Oh but they do!
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Honestly I don't think anyone actually believes that.
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thing is you still have people who think Wenger suddenly decided he wasn't going to spend one night and the recent increase in spending is down to fan pressure. People who refuse to accept financing a new build stadium restricted us.
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comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted on 17/6/14
Allow me to kick things off....
It'll be another frugal summer
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fecking moron
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thing is you still have people who think Wenger suddenly decided he wasn't going to spend one night and the recent increase in spending is down to fan pressure. People who refuse to accept financing a new build stadium restricted us.
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comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted on 17/6/14
Allow me to kick things off....
It'll be another frugal summer
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fecking moron
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Failed to buy a Striker or DM and our season was over by November
You can't say Wenger was restricted on spending due to the stadium move, and accuse him of not spending money properly What kind of logic is that?
I was far more concerned with our penchant for bottling it at key times (although, in hindsight, could we have expected more from our youth?). A lack of leadership, humiliating exits out of cup competitions, e.g. fa cup at old Trafford when fergie beat us with, what, 9 facking defenders starting, Bradford, Blackburn, man utd again in the Champions League, PSV eindhoven, shameful performances in knockout stages (which is still a trait to this day). I could go on.
Let me go on record as saying I think Wenger is still a fine manager despite all that, but I do not think he is the man to lead us to the Premier league (certainly not the Champions League). Something always goes wrong these days. I would love for him to prove me wrong though
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 1 second ago
You can't say Wenger was restricted on spending due to the stadium move, and accuse him of not spending money properlyWhat kind of logic is that?
I was far more concerned with our penchant for bottling it at key times (although, in hindsight, could we have expected more from our youth?). A lack of leadership, humiliating exits out of cup competitions, e.g. fa cup at old Trafford when fergie beat us with, what, 9 facking defenders starting, Bradford, Blackburn, man utd again in the Champions League, PSV eindhoven, shameful performances in knockout stages (which is still a trait to this day). I could go on.
Let me go on record as saying I think Wenger is still a fine manager despite all that, but I do not think he is the man to lead us to the Premier league (certainly not the Champions League). Something always goes wrong these days. I would love for him to prove me wrong though
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Sorry, let me redact the first sentence, instead of "properly", I should've said "excessively".
Every club has just as many embarrasing results over the same period Tu Meke. It is not something that was unique to us. I am not excusing the lack of right mentality to win titles but I just had to point that out.
I am with you on your last paragraph though.
Yes, but not all clubs had the same manager throughout thst period Wummy, that was the point. In any case, I'm not really sure what that has to do with Arsenals performances/results.
Ah bless it's a summer of Wenger IN and then come Sept when you're trailing in the Prem it'll be Wenger OUT.
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Our consistent top 4 finish, while laudable is also attributable to 2 massive advantages Wenger has.
1) It illustrates the damage the CL has done to modern footy. Its modern format has created a cartel that is very difficult for teams like Spurs to break into and teams like Arsenal to consolidate and perpetuate themselves there. Even with constrained spending, we could attract talents Spurs couldn't due to the attraction of CL footy, and pay them far higher wages than teams outside the big 4, like Spurs. That's why a team like Porto could sell its best players every year on a negative net spend and even change managers frequently and they kept walking the league, until the recent rise of Benfica.
2)(and this is the most important) Wenger has the safest job in the world and controls everything about the team. Administrative and managerial flux and turmoil has seen the likes of Man U, Chelsea and most especially Liverpool finish out of the top 4 recently. Wenger has all the time in the world, with all the control to maintain cohesion and consistency in the team. This consistency is laudable, but hardly reason to act like it's a work of genius.
He is brainwashing you again....I love it!
According to The Swiss Ramble there was actually money to spend in the years your talking about, I guess who's choice it was not to spend it is up for discussion but I know I'd be betting on.
A lot of things wrong with that post Sheriff. Wenger said he would return the money in like 2006 when the situation was different and we hadn't declined much yet. Alonso, apparently we bid for him and didn't match Liverpool's value, the stuff about killing Denilson is just Wenger always backing his players in public which he's always done. He's happy to build a deep squad now even though Ramsey/Wilshere aren't guaranteed a place?
Gazidis always said we couldn't compete with Chelsea and later City, that we had to be tight and had a long term plan so disagree about conflicting messages. At the same time coming out and saying we have no money, have to sell our best players and won't be investing for a few years isn't gonna send out the right messages, there was a balancing act between maintaing our image as a top club and keeping our finances in order.
You say we always had a top 4 budget... we had the 4th highest wage bill, 5th highest after City started spending and the bottom net spend in the league. So how can we spend inefficiently and still finish 3rd/4th every season, especially since you think Wenger is poor tactically as well? that doesn't add up.
Spurs had a lower wage bill but invested a lot in new players, they broke our transfer record multiple times with Bent, Modric, Bentley etc. They were always tipped to finish above us, pretty sure even you said they had better squads than us at times but now act like they never had a chance to overtake us and talk about revisionism
The last point about Wenger having complete control, it's often criticised but for me one of the best decisions the club has made if not the best, because the club is probably stronger now than it ever has been.
"Spurs had a lower wage bill but invested a lot in new players, they broke our transfer record multiple times with Bent, Modric, Bentley etc."
Since the early to mid '00's where I've seen club financial reports, Spurs' budget has never come close to Arsenal's. Never. Our wage bill always shattered whatever slight advantage they had in transfer spending. Levy has always run a very tight ship. They never had the resources to compete with us after we established ourselves in the Sky 4 cartel in the late 90's.
"They were always tipped to finish above us, pretty sure even you said they had better squads than us at times but now act like they never had a chance to overtake us and talk about revisionism"
Always tipped? By who? Talk about exaggeration. I'm also pretty damn sure I've never said Spurs have a better squad than us. I've been called deluded on their board several times for denigrating their squad. They've had a host of players like Parker, Walker, Sandro, Palacious, Lennon etc who I ridiculed when their fans were overrating them. I will admit I got a bit carried away with their £100m+ spending 2 summers ago when Sanogo was our only signing, but even then I was sure we would hold them off after Ozil signed on. We've always had the massive advantage over them. The very fact we've needed the final day after they bottled significant points advantages to finish above them THRICE in the last 9 years illustrates our mediocrity and not something to shout about.
Sheriff
Wenger was just selling his project to the world and who can blame him. All this time sensible fans were adamant there was no money to spend. Did you really expect him to come out and say we are skint and have to sell our best players every year? Do you think we would have held on to the likes of RVP and Cesc for as long as we did if he had said that?
Also, a Chelsea fan talking about brainwash is just hilarious
"Wenger has said before in the past that if you gave him big money to spend, he'd return it because of his belief in what he has. Wenger has notably rejected the chance to sign Alonso on the cheap because it would "kill" Denilson. The Arsenal top hierachy, including Gazidis, Hillwood and Wenger himself have given plenty of conflicting messages about having money to spend, only to contradict themselves later."
That was in response to that.
Still peddling the myth that we had no money to spend I see .
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Still peddling the myth that we had no money to spend I see.
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It is not a myth, though, is it.
Or are you one of these who thinks Wenger started spending again because of 'fan power'?
It is not a myth, though, is it.
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posted on 14/6/15
comment by Wumpatrol (U5046)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh but they do!
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Honestly I don't think anyone actually believes that.
posted on 14/6/15
comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thing is you still have people who think Wenger suddenly decided he wasn't going to spend one night and the recent increase in spending is down to fan pressure. People who refuse to accept financing a new build stadium restricted us.
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No one thinks that...
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http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/272789
comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted on 17/6/14
Allow me to kick things off....
It'll be another frugal summer
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fecking moron
posted on 14/6/15
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thing is you still have people who think Wenger suddenly decided he wasn't going to spend one night and the recent increase in spending is down to fan pressure. People who refuse to accept financing a new build stadium restricted us.
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No one thinks that...
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http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/272789
comment by The Delusion Swatter (U19684)
posted on 17/6/14
Allow me to kick things off....
It'll be another frugal summer
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fecking moron
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Failed to buy a Striker or DM and our season was over by November
posted on 14/6/15
You can't say Wenger was restricted on spending due to the stadium move, and accuse him of not spending money properly What kind of logic is that?
I was far more concerned with our penchant for bottling it at key times (although, in hindsight, could we have expected more from our youth?). A lack of leadership, humiliating exits out of cup competitions, e.g. fa cup at old Trafford when fergie beat us with, what, 9 facking defenders starting, Bradford, Blackburn, man utd again in the Champions League, PSV eindhoven, shameful performances in knockout stages (which is still a trait to this day). I could go on.
Let me go on record as saying I think Wenger is still a fine manager despite all that, but I do not think he is the man to lead us to the Premier league (certainly not the Champions League). Something always goes wrong these days. I would love for him to prove me wrong though
posted on 14/6/15
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 1 second ago
You can't say Wenger was restricted on spending due to the stadium move, and accuse him of not spending money properlyWhat kind of logic is that?
I was far more concerned with our penchant for bottling it at key times (although, in hindsight, could we have expected more from our youth?). A lack of leadership, humiliating exits out of cup competitions, e.g. fa cup at old Trafford when fergie beat us with, what, 9 facking defenders starting, Bradford, Blackburn, man utd again in the Champions League, PSV eindhoven, shameful performances in knockout stages (which is still a trait to this day). I could go on.
Let me go on record as saying I think Wenger is still a fine manager despite all that, but I do not think he is the man to lead us to the Premier league (certainly not the Champions League). Something always goes wrong these days. I would love for him to prove me wrong though
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Sorry, let me redact the first sentence, instead of "properly", I should've said "excessively".
posted on 14/6/15
Every club has just as many embarrasing results over the same period Tu Meke. It is not something that was unique to us. I am not excusing the lack of right mentality to win titles but I just had to point that out.
posted on 14/6/15
I am with you on your last paragraph though.
posted on 14/6/15
Yes, but not all clubs had the same manager throughout thst period Wummy, that was the point. In any case, I'm not really sure what that has to do with Arsenals performances/results.
posted on 14/6/15
Ah bless it's a summer of Wenger IN and then come Sept when you're trailing in the Prem it'll be Wenger OUT.
posted on 14/6/15
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posted on 14/6/15
Our consistent top 4 finish, while laudable is also attributable to 2 massive advantages Wenger has.
1) It illustrates the damage the CL has done to modern footy. Its modern format has created a cartel that is very difficult for teams like Spurs to break into and teams like Arsenal to consolidate and perpetuate themselves there. Even with constrained spending, we could attract talents Spurs couldn't due to the attraction of CL footy, and pay them far higher wages than teams outside the big 4, like Spurs. That's why a team like Porto could sell its best players every year on a negative net spend and even change managers frequently and they kept walking the league, until the recent rise of Benfica.
2)(and this is the most important) Wenger has the safest job in the world and controls everything about the team. Administrative and managerial flux and turmoil has seen the likes of Man U, Chelsea and most especially Liverpool finish out of the top 4 recently. Wenger has all the time in the world, with all the control to maintain cohesion and consistency in the team. This consistency is laudable, but hardly reason to act like it's a work of genius.
posted on 14/6/15
He is brainwashing you again....I love it!
posted on 14/6/15
According to The Swiss Ramble there was actually money to spend in the years your talking about, I guess who's choice it was not to spend it is up for discussion but I know I'd be betting on.
posted on 14/6/15
A lot of things wrong with that post Sheriff. Wenger said he would return the money in like 2006 when the situation was different and we hadn't declined much yet. Alonso, apparently we bid for him and didn't match Liverpool's value, the stuff about killing Denilson is just Wenger always backing his players in public which he's always done. He's happy to build a deep squad now even though Ramsey/Wilshere aren't guaranteed a place?
Gazidis always said we couldn't compete with Chelsea and later City, that we had to be tight and had a long term plan so disagree about conflicting messages. At the same time coming out and saying we have no money, have to sell our best players and won't be investing for a few years isn't gonna send out the right messages, there was a balancing act between maintaing our image as a top club and keeping our finances in order.
You say we always had a top 4 budget... we had the 4th highest wage bill, 5th highest after City started spending and the bottom net spend in the league. So how can we spend inefficiently and still finish 3rd/4th every season, especially since you think Wenger is poor tactically as well? that doesn't add up.
Spurs had a lower wage bill but invested a lot in new players, they broke our transfer record multiple times with Bent, Modric, Bentley etc. They were always tipped to finish above us, pretty sure even you said they had better squads than us at times but now act like they never had a chance to overtake us and talk about revisionism
The last point about Wenger having complete control, it's often criticised but for me one of the best decisions the club has made if not the best, because the club is probably stronger now than it ever has been.
posted on 14/6/15
"Spurs had a lower wage bill but invested a lot in new players, they broke our transfer record multiple times with Bent, Modric, Bentley etc."
Since the early to mid '00's where I've seen club financial reports, Spurs' budget has never come close to Arsenal's. Never. Our wage bill always shattered whatever slight advantage they had in transfer spending. Levy has always run a very tight ship. They never had the resources to compete with us after we established ourselves in the Sky 4 cartel in the late 90's.
posted on 14/6/15
"They were always tipped to finish above us, pretty sure even you said they had better squads than us at times but now act like they never had a chance to overtake us and talk about revisionism"
Always tipped? By who? Talk about exaggeration. I'm also pretty damn sure I've never said Spurs have a better squad than us. I've been called deluded on their board several times for denigrating their squad. They've had a host of players like Parker, Walker, Sandro, Palacious, Lennon etc who I ridiculed when their fans were overrating them. I will admit I got a bit carried away with their £100m+ spending 2 summers ago when Sanogo was our only signing, but even then I was sure we would hold them off after Ozil signed on. We've always had the massive advantage over them. The very fact we've needed the final day after they bottled significant points advantages to finish above them THRICE in the last 9 years illustrates our mediocrity and not something to shout about.
posted on 14/6/15
Sheriff
Wenger was just selling his project to the world and who can blame him. All this time sensible fans were adamant there was no money to spend. Did you really expect him to come out and say we are skint and have to sell our best players every year? Do you think we would have held on to the likes of RVP and Cesc for as long as we did if he had said that?
Also, a Chelsea fan talking about brainwash is just hilarious
posted on 14/6/15
"Wenger has said before in the past that if you gave him big money to spend, he'd return it because of his belief in what he has. Wenger has notably rejected the chance to sign Alonso on the cheap because it would "kill" Denilson. The Arsenal top hierachy, including Gazidis, Hillwood and Wenger himself have given plenty of conflicting messages about having money to spend, only to contradict themselves later."
That was in response to that.
posted on 15/6/15
Still peddling the myth that we had no money to spend I see .
posted on 15/6/15
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Still peddling the myth that we had no money to spend I see.
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It is not a myth, though, is it.
Or are you one of these who thinks Wenger started spending again because of 'fan power'?
posted on 15/6/15
It is not a myth, though, is it.
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http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/arsenal-money-dont-matter-2-night.html
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