English players are paid way too much too young as well as being hyped way beyond their actual level so it's expected.
Also you're massively overrating Welbeck for England in this article
Wilshere generally plays well once he's shaken off whatever injury he's just barely recovered from.
Ox - see Wilshere
Gibbs is meh, was always going to be compared to Cole but was never remotely close...
and Chambers - who's price tag included about £12m of English tax - is just a kid who could do with a loan.
Chambo and Jack are the real deal. Chambers could emulate Rio too. Be patient. England play pants games against 4th division reserve sides in qualifying.
Other than Chambers they're all ready now to be big players for us and should be about to enter their peak years.
Chambers a few years away from this yet
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
comment by A Bitton the GMS bandwagon (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
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Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
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From what I saw of you, I thought so too. Particularly in the big games him and Coq were a major difference in midfield. Obviously Ozil and Sanchez are your match winners but that's never really where you've been lacking...
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
Chambo and Jack are the real deal. Chambers could emulate Rio too. Be patient. England play pants games against 4th division reserve sides in qualifying.
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...and then struggle against the might of Slovenia and Costa Rica in the actual tournament..
comment by Sömeday_693 - Källström will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by A Bitton the GMS bandwagon (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
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Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
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this
Wilshere is nowhere near cazorla at present but i do think that deep role next to coq would be his best position. Problem is its rambos best place too. I really dont see a way long term of fitting both of them in weekly.
I know England have played some poverty teams in the qualifiers
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You skipped over this and the injuries, but they are most likely the main explanations. The rest of the article is pretty much redundant.
comment by Sömeday_693 - Källström will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by A Bitton the GMS bandwagon (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
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Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
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Nope Cazorla's season actually got worse when he went deeper, it's a myth that he was superb there. City, Newcastle, etc.. all his best games were from advanced
He's had the most overrated season in our history, Coq going there changed our season not Santi people forgetting how garbage he was first half too
Anyway if he was doing so well there people wouldn't be wanting a new DM that controls our game as Wenger has madenit Santi's job but he doesn't dictate well at all in the role doesn't keep our play ticking smoothly and Ozil has had to come deeper than ever to collect the ball, something he didn't have to do with Arteta
If Coq was better offensively I'd actually play him with Mikel in the bigger games overall I think Jack is better IN THE DEEP ROLE than Santi and is our long term solution there
Cazorla was found out against Monaco and United only tough games he actually played in that position, average vs Chelsea too he was only decent against the average sides
He's a No. 10 and unfortunately for him Ozil is better I think he should be his back up. Wilshere is also a better passer than Santi don't let nationality fool you Jack is only 2nd to Ozil regarding execution
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 12 minutes ago
Cazorla was found out against Monaco and United only tough games he actually played in that position, average vs Chelsea too he was only decent against the average sides
He's a No. 10 and unfortunately for him Ozil is better I think he should be his back up. Wilshere is also a better passer than Santi don't let nationality fool you Jack is only 2nd to Ozil regarding execution
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I personally think Caz's worst game was v Spurs, couldn't cope with their pressing at all.
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posted on 1/7/15
English players are paid way too much too young as well as being hyped way beyond their actual level so it's expected.
posted on 1/7/15
Also you're massively overrating Welbeck for England in this article
Wilshere generally plays well once he's shaken off whatever injury he's just barely recovered from.
Ox - see Wilshere
Gibbs is meh, was always going to be compared to Cole but was never remotely close...
and Chambers - who's price tag included about £12m of English tax - is just a kid who could do with a loan.
posted on 1/7/15
Chambo and Jack are the real deal. Chambers could emulate Rio too. Be patient. England play pants games against 4th division reserve sides in qualifying.
posted on 1/7/15
Other than Chambers they're all ready now to be big players for us and should be about to enter their peak years.
Chambers a few years away from this yet
posted on 1/7/15
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
posted on 1/7/15
comment by A Bitton the GMS bandwagon (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
posted on 1/7/15
Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
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From what I saw of you, I thought so too. Particularly in the big games him and Coq were a major difference in midfield. Obviously Ozil and Sanchez are your match winners but that's never really where you've been lacking...
posted on 1/7/15
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
Chambo and Jack are the real deal. Chambers could emulate Rio too. Be patient. England play pants games against 4th division reserve sides in qualifying.
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...and then struggle against the might of Slovenia and Costa Rica in the actual tournament..
posted on 1/7/15
comment by Sömeday_693 - Källström will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by A Bitton the GMS bandwagon (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
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Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
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this
posted on 1/7/15
Wilshere is nowhere near cazorla at present but i do think that deep role next to coq would be his best position. Problem is its rambos best place too. I really dont see a way long term of fitting both of them in weekly.
posted on 1/7/15
I know England have played some poverty teams in the qualifiers
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You skipped over this and the injuries, but they are most likely the main explanations. The rest of the article is pretty much redundant.
posted on 1/7/15
comment by Sömeday_693 - Källström will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by A Bitton the GMS bandwagon (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is Wilshere really better in that role than Cazorla? Granted I don't watch them as much as you but was it not moving Cazorla to that role that pretty much turned your season around.
Wilshere is obviously a better long term option, but Cazorla's a class act and could teach him a lot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignore the OP, Wilshere is not better than Cazorla, who was our best player after Sanchez last season.
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Nope Cazorla's season actually got worse when he went deeper, it's a myth that he was superb there. City, Newcastle, etc.. all his best games were from advanced
He's had the most overrated season in our history, Coq going there changed our season not Santi people forgetting how garbage he was first half too
Anyway if he was doing so well there people wouldn't be wanting a new DM that controls our game as Wenger has madenit Santi's job but he doesn't dictate well at all in the role doesn't keep our play ticking smoothly and Ozil has had to come deeper than ever to collect the ball, something he didn't have to do with Arteta
If Coq was better offensively I'd actually play him with Mikel in the bigger games overall I think Jack is better IN THE DEEP ROLE than Santi and is our long term solution there
posted on 1/7/15
Cazorla was found out against Monaco and United only tough games he actually played in that position, average vs Chelsea too he was only decent against the average sides
He's a No. 10 and unfortunately for him Ozil is better I think he should be his back up. Wilshere is also a better passer than Santi don't let nationality fool you Jack is only 2nd to Ozil regarding execution
posted on 1/7/15
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 12 minutes ago
Cazorla was found out against Monaco and United only tough games he actually played in that position, average vs Chelsea too he was only decent against the average sides
He's a No. 10 and unfortunately for him Ozil is better I think he should be his back up. Wilshere is also a better passer than Santi don't let nationality fool you Jack is only 2nd to Ozil regarding execution
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I personally think Caz's worst game was v Spurs, couldn't cope with their pressing at all.
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