Who cares about a mid-table side, and don't go on about your history, Chelsea have no history and are champs., so is City. United are going to find it hard getting CL spot, the barely managed it despite having no European games, Liverpool and Spurs will push them to mid table.
"There is a reason Pep wants to get rid. The outcry over his sale has more to do with his status as a home boy than his present footballing attributes."
Pep got rid of Etoo and Ibrahimovic. If Messi wasn't the best player in the world, Pep would have sold him too cos they didn't get on well. That means nothing. And the desire to see Schweinsteiger play is because he's a damn good player. I doubt Man U fans wanted Cleverly to stay just because he's a youth product.
''If Theo, Welbz & Giroud remain fit we have enough goals to compete with the top teams''....
haha... brilliant. Gotta be Comedy comment of the day...
Welbz?!?! ... hahaha....
20 goals a season apparently.... did the man even score 10 for you last season?..
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posted 1 minute ago
"There is a reason Pep wants to get rid. The outcry over his sale has more to do with his status as a home boy than his present footballing attributes."
Pep got rid of Etoo and Ibrahimovic. If Messi wasn't the best player in the world, Pep would have sold him too cos they didn't get on well. That means nothing. And the desire to see Schweinsteiger play is because he's a damn good player. I doubt Man U fans wanted Cleverly to stay just because he's a youth product.
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Like I would take your judgement on players over a class manager
You really should get over yourself .
"Nothing wrong with someone preferring Wilshere to Schweinsteiger, I am sure most Arsenal fans would also prefer that. If you look at the market value of the respective players, I
find it incredibly difficult to understand why you think someone would be a moron to prefer Wilshere."
Comparing player's qualities based on "market value" is bizarre. Wilshere's age plus English tax makes him more expensive. To claim he's better than Schweinsteiger in nonsensical crap. The initial comment that Schweinsteiger would get nowhere near our team is either childish wumming or deluded twaddle.
Tbf Pep wanting to get rid is hardly an indictment of a player. He indorsed the worst transfer of all time (the Eto'o exchange debacle) and has made Bayern worse by the year
But if reports that Schweinsteiger will cost United close to 10 million & Wilshere is valued at 40 million surely even English tax is not the only reason he is valued more.
Besides Schweinsteiger isn't very old, the issue with him is his inability to remain fit lately which is oddly something Wilshere battles with although Jack has age on his side.
And nobody said Wilshere is better than Schweinsteiger, I think the poster just said he prefers Wilshere which oddly made you go off the rails.
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"But if reports that Schweinsteiger will cost United close to 10 million & Wilshere is valued at 40 million surely even English tax is not the only reason he is valued more."
English tax + age + club willing to indulge Schweinsteiger's request. Again, "market" value has fack all to do with quality. Ibrahimovic would cost less than Benteke ie both are sold now. That doesn't represent quality at all.
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tbf Pep wanting to get rid is hardly an indictment of a player. He indorsed the worst transfer of all time (the Eto'o exchange debacle) and has made Bayern worse by the year
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A bit unfair on Pep considering he eventually fell out with Ibrahimovic in the end by trying to make Messi the focal point of the team this assembling the best barca team in its history.
A lot of points being taken in isolation here with the aim Of peddling some half truths.
Him not getting along with Messi is just nonsense. These days if a manager has a disagreement with one of his players they don't get along. So I guess mourinho would have sold hazard with Romans blessing because they "don't get along"
How many players would Fergie have sold in his time at United? Mourinho for that matter?
Messi is the player he is because of Pep, & before the CL semis against barca Pep was embarrassing in his praise of Messi.
"And nobody said Wilshere is better than Schweinsteiger, I think the poster just said he prefers Wilshere which oddly made you go off the rails."
Except you think he prefers the curve of Wilshere's ar.se, I'm pretty sure the context was saying Jack is better. And if you don't think anyone believes Wilshere is better, I'm not sure what you "market value" comments was about.
A player "losing it" doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good anymore, it just means they aren't as good as they used to be. Bayern wouldn't be selling Schweinsteiger if they felt he was at the top of his game and was a key element to their side.
I still think he'll be a good player for United. He has tremendous passing ability and positional sense, and is also a very persistent tackler. He's essentially a better version of Carrick but with slightly more of a goal threat.
I'm more miffed at the fact we're missing out Schneiderlin. Kondogbia and Schneiderlin were two of my most-wanted players this Summer and one has chosen the big bucks at Inter Milan, whereas the other is set to join United. We need another defensive-minded midfielder and the only other options would be Gonalons, Bender, Martinez or reluctantly, Carvalho. I'm not optimistic about landing any of these players, though.
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posted 5 minutes ago
A player "losing it" doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good anymore, it just means they aren't as good as they used to be. Bayern wouldn't be selling Schweinsteiger if they felt he was at the top of his game and was a key element to their side.
I still think he'll be a good player for United. He has tremendous passing ability and positional sense, and is also a very persistent tackler. He's essentially a better version of Carrick but with slightly more of a goal threat.
I'm more miffed at the fact we're missing out Schneiderlin. Kondogbia and Schneiderlin were two of my most-wanted players this Summer and one has chosen the big bucks at Inter Milan, whereas the other is set to join United. We need another defensive-minded midfielder and the only other options would be Gonalons, Bender, Martinez or reluctantly, Carvalho. I'm not optimistic about landing any of these players, though.
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DM, it is an area of the pitch Wenger continues to have a blind spot.
After the difference Coquelin made to our campaign last season , I would thought Arsene would prioritise acquiring a capable competition for Le Coq.
Personally, and inspite of his extension, I will get rid of Arteta and Flamini if Lars Bender can be persuaded to join.
We are cursed with injuries to key players every season and hope Wenger factors it in when finalising the squad.
Yeah, I'm not sure why he seems so reluctant to get a defensive midfield player. Strange considering some of the sides we've had in the past. I think also, and we have to be honest here, Wenger has a massive ego. So when he gets all this stick from the tabloids and sports journalists about not getting a proper defensive midfielder, it has the opposite effect and makes him want to prove his critics wrong with the players that he already has or by using someone from the youth system as an internal solution.
Any one of the players I listed above would be an upgrade on Flamini and Arteta. We simply cannot go into another full season without having a proper defensive minded midfield player in the squad. There's no point having the firepower up front if we look like we'd be conceding every time the opposition attacks by getting overran in midfield.
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comment by Kings Road (U1762)
posted 12 hours, 50 minutes ago
Marcelino, for one Pirlo there's 100 Deco's.
I think Bastian will be a good player at United but as a consistent top level performer I think he's past his best in that respect, he will turn it on some game a however and be really good, a bit like Deco with us actually.
I actually think United's main priority should be a top class CF, because I think Rooney is in exactly the same boat Bastian is in, i.e. still got it to perform some games, but finished on a consistent week in week out level.
Lewandowski would be perfect for United but luckily he ain't leaving Bayern anytime soon.
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Yeah fair point Kings Road.
I'm not sure Schweinsteiger will be like Pirlo in terms of surprising everyone, but just that the OP has effectively written him off already, which is ridiculous.
Are you kidding me? Loads of Arsenal fans had their reservations about him. He's a good athlete, but unfortunately when it comes to hitting the ball in the back of the net, it's not something which comes naturally to him.
That being said, he scored some important goals for us last season. Winner against West Brom, winner against West Ham, equaliser against Hull City in the last minute, winner at Old Trafford to send us to Wembley. In spite of his flaws, he made significant contributions in helping us retain the FA Cup and secure Champions League football.
Welbeck was probably not even a Wenger signing. Wenger has been trying to sign a top striker since the Suarez bid and we wony buy anyone else until that player is found.
About the DM situation I am disappointed as well as it was the most important signing we had to make but Sneiderlin is not a 27 million player by any stretch of the imagination. There is a reason why city & Chelsea have notmade buds and even United may look elsewhere. Southampton have priced him out of the market.
Feel sorry for him actually
Of course he was a Wenger signing.
comment by The Ace Face (U18814)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
The irony - judging by the reaction on here you'd have thought Arsenal had just signed Neymar when Danny Welbeck joined
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You are an idiot.
Mind the gap moron
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 6 hours ago
"Schweinsteiger would get nowhere near our first XI"
You would believe that of course cos you're a buffoon.So Ramsey and Wilshere can get near our starting 11, but a regular for tiny Bayern and captain of that rubbish German national team won't? Idiots like you are the reason this board is by universal consensus, the biggest joke on ja606. A couple of clueless kiddies behind a keyboard spouting endless drivel and making everyone else look like morons by association.
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current Schweinsteiger is nowhere near as good as Ramsey you clueless idiot, guessing your opinion of him has shot up since joining your favourite club.
Pep has been trying to ship him for 2 years now, not technically good enough to play his way and has become limited since losing his engine
Yes Schweinsteiger wouldn't get into our XI you're a complete fool with no knowledge if you truly believe that
Bayern wouldn't easily get rid of him if he was as good as you imply, he impr5improves United but wouldn't us
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
"Regular? Xavi at almost 34 is picked ahead of Scheweinsteiger in the Bayern starting line up."
Schweinsteiger started every big game he was fit for last season. You can visit any Bayern forum and there's universal outrage at his departure. Not even the club want to sell him, but they have enough respect for him to release him without fuss. The fact you'd have Wilshere above him shows you up as a clueless moron.
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Schweinsteiger isn't world class anymore you donut, their fans are upset with the sell for sentimental reasons rather than what he currently brings on the pitch.
It's like when Chelsea first let Lampard go despite improving without him.
You're an idiot for comparing Cech to him GK'S can peak at 36+ whilst someone like Bastian who's so dependent on his engine is getting on and on the slide
You know sweet f all about football find another sport or go and support United full-time you mug you're the most idiotic poster this board has ever seen what's worse is you pretend to know a bit when really you know very little
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posted on 12/7/15
Who cares about a mid-table side, and don't go on about your history, Chelsea have no history and are champs., so is City. United are going to find it hard getting CL spot, the barely managed it despite having no European games, Liverpool and Spurs will push them to mid table.
posted on 12/7/15
"There is a reason Pep wants to get rid. The outcry over his sale has more to do with his status as a home boy than his present footballing attributes."
Pep got rid of Etoo and Ibrahimovic. If Messi wasn't the best player in the world, Pep would have sold him too cos they didn't get on well. That means nothing. And the desire to see Schweinsteiger play is because he's a damn good player. I doubt Man U fans wanted Cleverly to stay just because he's a youth product.
posted on 12/7/15
''If Theo, Welbz & Giroud remain fit we have enough goals to compete with the top teams''....
haha... brilliant. Gotta be Comedy comment of the day...
Welbz?!?! ... hahaha....
20 goals a season apparently.... did the man even score 10 for you last season?..
posted on 12/7/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 minute ago
"There is a reason Pep wants to get rid. The outcry over his sale has more to do with his status as a home boy than his present footballing attributes."
Pep got rid of Etoo and Ibrahimovic. If Messi wasn't the best player in the world, Pep would have sold him too cos they didn't get on well. That means nothing. And the desire to see Schweinsteiger play is because he's a damn good player. I doubt Man U fans wanted Cleverly to stay just because he's a youth product.
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Like I would take your judgement on players over a class manager
You really should get over yourself .
posted on 12/7/15
"Nothing wrong with someone preferring Wilshere to Schweinsteiger, I am sure most Arsenal fans would also prefer that. If you look at the market value of the respective players, I
find it incredibly difficult to understand why you think someone would be a moron to prefer Wilshere."
Comparing player's qualities based on "market value" is bizarre. Wilshere's age plus English tax makes him more expensive. To claim he's better than Schweinsteiger in nonsensical crap. The initial comment that Schweinsteiger would get nowhere near our team is either childish wumming or deluded twaddle.
posted on 12/7/15
Tbf Pep wanting to get rid is hardly an indictment of a player. He indorsed the worst transfer of all time (the Eto'o exchange debacle) and has made Bayern worse by the year
posted on 12/7/15
But if reports that Schweinsteiger will cost United close to 10 million & Wilshere is valued at 40 million surely even English tax is not the only reason he is valued more.
Besides Schweinsteiger isn't very old, the issue with him is his inability to remain fit lately which is oddly something Wilshere battles with although Jack has age on his side.
posted on 12/7/15
And nobody said Wilshere is better than Schweinsteiger, I think the poster just said he prefers Wilshere which oddly made you go off the rails.
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"But if reports that Schweinsteiger will cost United close to 10 million & Wilshere is valued at 40 million surely even English tax is not the only reason he is valued more."
English tax + age + club willing to indulge Schweinsteiger's request. Again, "market" value has fack all to do with quality. Ibrahimovic would cost less than Benteke ie both are sold now. That doesn't represent quality at all.
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comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tbf Pep wanting to get rid is hardly an indictment of a player. He indorsed the worst transfer of all time (the Eto'o exchange debacle) and has made Bayern worse by the year
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A bit unfair on Pep considering he eventually fell out with Ibrahimovic in the end by trying to make Messi the focal point of the team this assembling the best barca team in its history.
A lot of points being taken in isolation here with the aim Of peddling some half truths.
Him not getting along with Messi is just nonsense. These days if a manager has a disagreement with one of his players they don't get along. So I guess mourinho would have sold hazard with Romans blessing because they "don't get along"
How many players would Fergie have sold in his time at United? Mourinho for that matter?
Messi is the player he is because of Pep, & before the CL semis against barca Pep was embarrassing in his praise of Messi.
posted on 12/7/15
"And nobody said Wilshere is better than Schweinsteiger, I think the poster just said he prefers Wilshere which oddly made you go off the rails."
Except you think he prefers the curve of Wilshere's ar.se, I'm pretty sure the context was saying Jack is better. And if you don't think anyone believes Wilshere is better, I'm not sure what you "market value" comments was about.
posted on 12/7/15
A player "losing it" doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good anymore, it just means they aren't as good as they used to be. Bayern wouldn't be selling Schweinsteiger if they felt he was at the top of his game and was a key element to their side.
I still think he'll be a good player for United. He has tremendous passing ability and positional sense, and is also a very persistent tackler. He's essentially a better version of Carrick but with slightly more of a goal threat.
I'm more miffed at the fact we're missing out Schneiderlin. Kondogbia and Schneiderlin were two of my most-wanted players this Summer and one has chosen the big bucks at Inter Milan, whereas the other is set to join United. We need another defensive-minded midfielder and the only other options would be Gonalons, Bender, Martinez or reluctantly, Carvalho. I'm not optimistic about landing any of these players, though.
posted on 12/7/15
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 5 minutes ago
A player "losing it" doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good anymore, it just means they aren't as good as they used to be. Bayern wouldn't be selling Schweinsteiger if they felt he was at the top of his game and was a key element to their side.
I still think he'll be a good player for United. He has tremendous passing ability and positional sense, and is also a very persistent tackler. He's essentially a better version of Carrick but with slightly more of a goal threat.
I'm more miffed at the fact we're missing out Schneiderlin. Kondogbia and Schneiderlin were two of my most-wanted players this Summer and one has chosen the big bucks at Inter Milan, whereas the other is set to join United. We need another defensive-minded midfielder and the only other options would be Gonalons, Bender, Martinez or reluctantly, Carvalho. I'm not optimistic about landing any of these players, though.
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DM, it is an area of the pitch Wenger continues to have a blind spot.
After the difference Coquelin made to our campaign last season , I would thought Arsene would prioritise acquiring a capable competition for Le Coq.
Personally, and inspite of his extension, I will get rid of Arteta and Flamini if Lars Bender can be persuaded to join.
We are cursed with injuries to key players every season and hope Wenger factors it in when finalising the squad.
posted on 12/7/15
Yeah, I'm not sure why he seems so reluctant to get a defensive midfield player. Strange considering some of the sides we've had in the past. I think also, and we have to be honest here, Wenger has a massive ego. So when he gets all this stick from the tabloids and sports journalists about not getting a proper defensive midfielder, it has the opposite effect and makes him want to prove his critics wrong with the players that he already has or by using someone from the youth system as an internal solution.
Any one of the players I listed above would be an upgrade on Flamini and Arteta. We simply cannot go into another full season without having a proper defensive minded midfield player in the squad. There's no point having the firepower up front if we look like we'd be conceding every time the opposition attacks by getting overran in midfield.
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The OP is spot on!
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comment by Kings Road (U1762)
posted 12 hours, 50 minutes ago
Marcelino, for one Pirlo there's 100 Deco's.
I think Bastian will be a good player at United but as a consistent top level performer I think he's past his best in that respect, he will turn it on some game a however and be really good, a bit like Deco with us actually.
I actually think United's main priority should be a top class CF, because I think Rooney is in exactly the same boat Bastian is in, i.e. still got it to perform some games, but finished on a consistent week in week out level.
Lewandowski would be perfect for United but luckily he ain't leaving Bayern anytime soon.
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Yeah fair point Kings Road.
I'm not sure Schweinsteiger will be like Pirlo in terms of surprising everyone, but just that the OP has effectively written him off already, which is ridiculous.
posted on 12/7/15
Are you kidding me? Loads of Arsenal fans had their reservations about him. He's a good athlete, but unfortunately when it comes to hitting the ball in the back of the net, it's not something which comes naturally to him.
That being said, he scored some important goals for us last season. Winner against West Brom, winner against West Ham, equaliser against Hull City in the last minute, winner at Old Trafford to send us to Wembley. In spite of his flaws, he made significant contributions in helping us retain the FA Cup and secure Champions League football.
posted on 12/7/15
Welbeck was probably not even a Wenger signing. Wenger has been trying to sign a top striker since the Suarez bid and we wony buy anyone else until that player is found.
About the DM situation I am disappointed as well as it was the most important signing we had to make but Sneiderlin is not a 27 million player by any stretch of the imagination. There is a reason why city & Chelsea have notmade buds and even United may look elsewhere. Southampton have priced him out of the market.
Feel sorry for him actually
posted on 12/7/15
Of course he was a Wenger signing.
posted on 12/7/15
comment by The Ace Face (U18814)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
The irony - judging by the reaction on here you'd have thought Arsenal had just signed Neymar when Danny Welbeck joined
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You are an idiot.
Mind the gap moron
posted on 12/7/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 6 hours ago
"Schweinsteiger would get nowhere near our first XI"
You would believe that of course cos you're a buffoon.So Ramsey and Wilshere can get near our starting 11, but a regular for tiny Bayern and captain of that rubbish German national team won't? Idiots like you are the reason this board is by universal consensus, the biggest joke on ja606. A couple of clueless kiddies behind a keyboard spouting endless drivel and making everyone else look like morons by association.
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current Schweinsteiger is nowhere near as good as Ramsey you clueless idiot, guessing your opinion of him has shot up since joining your favourite club.
Pep has been trying to ship him for 2 years now, not technically good enough to play his way and has become limited since losing his engine
Yes Schweinsteiger wouldn't get into our XI you're a complete fool with no knowledge if you truly believe that
Bayern wouldn't easily get rid of him if he was as good as you imply, he impr5improves United but wouldn't us
posted on 12/7/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
"Regular? Xavi at almost 34 is picked ahead of Scheweinsteiger in the Bayern starting line up."
Schweinsteiger started every big game he was fit for last season. You can visit any Bayern forum and there's universal outrage at his departure. Not even the club want to sell him, but they have enough respect for him to release him without fuss. The fact you'd have Wilshere above him shows you up as a clueless moron.
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Schweinsteiger isn't world class anymore you donut, their fans are upset with the sell for sentimental reasons rather than what he currently brings on the pitch.
It's like when Chelsea first let Lampard go despite improving without him.
You're an idiot for comparing Cech to him GK'S can peak at 36+ whilst someone like Bastian who's so dependent on his engine is getting on and on the slide
You know sweet f all about football find another sport or go and support United full-time you mug you're the most idiotic poster this board has ever seen what's worse is you pretend to know a bit when really you know very little
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