comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens iron--- 49-0 (U12889)
posted 48 seconds ago
Spurtle

It has to happen from the grass roots. Coaching has to be improved and the english league has to be improved. Compare the english premier league to the super rugby league,massive difference in class.
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This is my point. Why haven't these things been done already? 2003 was quite a while ago now. The morons at the top must think it was yesterday.

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted less than a minute ago
Just an idea, but maybe we should think about copying what the SH teams do.

Just like in football we're so far behind the other teams. What have the morons at the top actually been doing all these years? Probably still arrogantly thinking our way of playing is the right way.

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The strange thing is that we are seeing more and more SH coaches in the NH game, but they seem to have stuck to our way of playing rather than trying to change to match the SH teams. It need to start at the grass-roots level, and I mean improving the ball skills of the forwards and that they are not just battering rams.

It will take time, but perhaps these WC results will finally shake it up a bit.
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thats true, Joe Schmidt created one of the best ever NH clubs sides at Leinster yet seems to be very cautious as Ireland coach

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I never understand why the union in england dont copy the league or get some league players and coaches in union.

There is nothing wrong with the physicality of the English forwards but they lack the creativity.
The SH forwards are more skillful than the backs of the NH.

thats true, Joe Schmidt created one of the best ever NH clubs sides at Leinster yet seems to be very cautious as Ireland coach

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I know - his attention to detail is legendary, but I must think that he realises that he doesn't have the players at his disposal to play a more expansive game. Leinster were renowned for playing a more attacking expansive game, but Ireland plays more like a Munster style team. I think Schmidt is limited by the players, because very few doubt his credential as a coach.

comment by The little Brazilian magician Coutinho (U19731)
posted less than a minute ago
I never understand why the union in england dont copy the league or get some league players and coaches in union.

There is nothing wrong with the physicality of the English forwards but they lack the creativity.
The SH forwards are more skillful than the backs of the NH.
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which is why Slammin Sam should play as a 6, imagine a forward of his size and power plus the skill he has, playing in the pack

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It's going to be good to see who gets to the final out of the boks and NZ

Not enough risk takers. They are afraid of wholesale changes from bottom to top, when that is what needs to be done. It's the same living off the past that infests football.

comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens iron--- 49-0 (U12889)
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comment by Mex- Gigi Il Grande (U6687)
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comment by The little Brazilian magician Coutinho (U19731)
posted less than a minute ago
I never understand why the union in england dont copy the league or get some league players and coaches in union.

There is nothing wrong with the physicality of the English forwards but they lack the creativity.
The SH forwards are more skillful than the backs of the NH.
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which is why Slammin Sam should play as a 6, imagine a forward of his size and power plus the skill he has, playing in the pack
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Sam is the future.
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but not as a centre

comment by Mex- Gigi Il Grande (U6687)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by The little Brazilian magician Coutinho (U19731)
posted less than a minute ago
I never understand why the union in england dont copy the league or get some league players and coaches in union.

There is nothing wrong with the physicality of the English forwards but they lack the creativity.
The SH forwards are more skillful than the backs of the NH.
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which is why Slammin Sam should play as a 6, imagine a forward of his size and power plus the skill he has, playing in the pack
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100% agree with you. Do you remember Brad Thorn who was a top league player and was a top player in Union and played as a foraward.

Henry Slade and JJ need to be 12 and 13 for me

There needs to be a fundamental change in the thought process of how we play the game at club level - that means the next generation of players, especially forwards, need to be more skillful and not just 'big brutes'. But these changes take time, and in the meantime you're probably going to have to accept some losses whilst implementing such changes - are the NH teams (both club and country) ready for such a shake-up??!!

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted less than a minute ago
There needs to be a fundamental change in the thought process of how we play the game at club level - that means the next generation of players, especially forwards, need to be more skillful and not just 'big brutes'. But these changes take time, and in the meantime you're probably going to have to accept some losses whilst implementing such changes - are the NH teams (both club and country) ready for such a shake-up??!!
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id happily accept losing 3 6N's games per year for a couple of years if it meant becoming a more risk taking fluent side

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comment by The Guvnor IV -Iron sharpens iron--- 49-0 (U12889)
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comment by Mex- Gigi Il Grande (U6687)
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Henry Slade and JJ need to be 12 and 13 for me
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Tuilagi?
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bench, impact sub

How long before Argentina become better than us at darts and snooker ffs??!

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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted less than a minute ago
How long before Argentina become better than us at darts and snooker ffs??!
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have you not heard of Juan Ignacio Fontes, the 16 YO snooker prodigy from Bunis Aris

The fact that we have gained decent results in one-off games during autumn internationals against SH teams has also given false sense of how good we are, but look at World Cups and only one NH winner, and consistently dominated by SH teams in recent years.

And how often do our touring sides get beat in Aus/SA/NZ - consistently.

The NZ hooker have scored more running try's than any english back the last year.

kinsang

France could be a very good side if they didn't consistently appoint such appalling coaches, their talent is superb, just seem stifled

id happily accept losing 3 6N's games per year for a couple of years if it meant becoming a more risk taking fluent side

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For such fundamental changes it will take longer than a couple of years - we're talking about really shaking of the attitude to how we play, and then of course having the players to do that. That's a tough ask of current players to do that, so you're talking about the next generation.