comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Having said that Wenger playing him on the wing hasn't helped.
Minutes on the pitch is what matters most, playing on the wing shoudl help him, look at Jordan Henderson as an example, he played 30 games on the right under Kenny and was pretty poor, but that time on the pitch has helped him develop into a good cm who is constantly improving.
Minutes on the pitch at that pivotal age in the development cycle are key, that's why Wenger played him wide right.
So again logic dictates it's the fans fault.
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Henderson is still average
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Anyone but an Arsenal fan would take Henderson over Ramsey or Wilshere at this point mate, and I'm a United fan.
Henderson nutted up, worked hard and blossomed into a very effective footballer on his day, and gained some leadership ability. He's now been made Liverpool captain because of his attitude and tenacity. That's worth more than Ramsey and Wilshere have right this point by a long, long way. All the potential doesn't mean F all if you don't start to fulfil it!
Ramsey was getting plenty of minutes in the middle, and still does at times. My point was that he has been shifted around a lot, which hasn't helped him settle in any position.
I know your probably wumming, but you can't blame the fans for a players drop in form. He was a big fan favourite during the 13/14 season, and before the leg break, and during the months following it. The fans only started to get annoyed once his attitude seem to suddenly change.
"didnt he it the bar with that shot??"
Nope. That was another one. This one bobbled out.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 second ago
didnt he it the bar with that shot??
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Nope. it was wide of Adrian right post.
Westham were well exposed on the right as Cresswell had tuck in too much. We also had an overload in their box and any cross from Debuchy would very likely have been swept in.
comment by The Year of the Ox (U7080)
posted 40 seconds ago
Ramsey was getting plenty of minutes in the middle, and still does at times. My point was that he has been shifted around a lot, which hasn't helped him settle in any position.
I know your probably wumming, but you can't blame the fans for a players drop in form. He was a big fan favourite during the 13/14 season, and before the leg break, and during the months following it. The fans only started to get annoyed once his attitude seem to suddenly change.
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You should want Wilshere and Ramsey scrapped mate.
Number 4
Quit talking nonsense.
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hyp... (U7978)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Having said that Wenger playing him on the wing hasn't helped.
Minutes on the pitch is what matters most, playing on the wing shoudl help him, look at Jordan Henderson as an example, he played 30 games on the right under Kenny and was pretty poor, but that time on the pitch has helped him develop into a good cm who is constantly improving.
Minutes on the pitch at that pivotal age in the development cycle are key, that's why Wenger played him wide right.
So again logic dictates it's the fans fault.
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Henderson is still average
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He's clearly a good cm, not great but good
Henderson is a good player. Knows his place. And that he's job is to wrestle players around.
Doesn't think he's Ronaldinho like Ramsey.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 11 seconds ago
Henderson is a good player. Knows his place. And that he's job is to wrestle players around.
Doesn't think he's Ronaldinho like Ramsey.
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The play that really grates me is when he tries to scoop the ball over the defence when a simpler pass will suffice.
Find myself yelling at the TV anytime the Welshman is in possession lately.
Tbh if he doesn't sort out this selfish nonsense he has had for the past two years by the end of the season I'd want him gone. Can't have a player like him who thinks it's all about him.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 8 minutes ago
Number 4
Quit talking nonsense.
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I'm here to help Dubbed. WIlshere and Ramsey aren't players you'll be able to rely on and win titles trying to lean on in the tough parts of the season. They're not those players.
I always thought that about Ramsey, looks like he could be a decent player but is unbelievably selfish in his play. I remember last season he could have put Ozil in the game where you smashed Liverpool but it was 0-0 at the time and instead he tried to take a player on and shoot. Ozil was clean through. Some of the shots he takes border on the ridiculous aswell.
Anyone but an Arsenal fan would take Henderson over Ramsey or Wilshere at this point mate, and I'm a United fan.
Henderson nutted up, worked hard and blossomed into a very effective footballer on his day, and gained some leadership ability. He's now been made Liverpool captain because of his attitude and tenacity. That's worth more than Ramsey and Wilshere have right this point by a long, long way. All the potential doesn't mean F all if you don't start to fulfil it!
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In 13-14, Ramsey got 16 goals & 9 assists in 30 starts, including an excellent goal that ended a 9-year title drought.
But you'd rather have a workhorse because he was given an armband... by a manager who thought signing Balotelli was a good idea
Yeh I wouldn't rather have Henderson over either of those two. At least they have some potential. Henderson is dog.
Henderson offers nuch nore right now than either of those two and can play for more than a few games in a row.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 24 minutes ago
Anyone but an Arsenal fan would take Henderson over Ramsey or Wilshere at this point mate, and I'm a United fan.
Henderson nutted up, worked hard and blossomed into a very effective footballer on his day, and gained some leadership ability. He's now been made Liverpool captain because of his attitude and tenacity. That's worth more than Ramsey and Wilshere have right this point by a long, long way. All the potential doesn't mean F all if you don't start to fulfil it!
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In 13-14, Ramsey got 16 goals & 9 assists in 30 starts, including an excellent goal that ended a 9-year title drought.
But you'd rather have a workhorse because he was given an armband... by a manager who thought signing Balotelli was a good idea
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Haha keep trying lad. Title drougnt. No.
Ramsey played well for 6 months in 6 years. Form is temporary, class is permanent. That works both ways and Ramsey's a mugs player.
comment by The Number 4 Shirt - I don't actually want Pedro =/ (U19487)
Henderson offers much more right now than either of those two and can play for more than a few games in a row.
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You're just sore Ramsey rejected United in 2008
Ramsey's the best box-to-box CM in the league. The stats prove it.
And if Hendo offers more than Wilshere, why does Wilshere get awarded Man of the Match every time they play together for England? Even Delph & Carrick outperform Henderson for England
Let's face it if you had henderson's 'talent', you should do nothing but work hard and keep your head down.
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 4 minutes ago
Let's face it if you had henderson's 'talent', you should do nothing but work hard and keep your head down.
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comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Number 4 Shirt - I don't actually want Pedro =/ (U19487)
Henderson offers much more right now than either of those two and can play for more than a few games in a row.
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You're just sore Ramsey rejected United in 2008
Ramsey's the best box-to-box CM in the league. The stats prove it.
And if Hendo offers more than Wilshere, why does Wilshere get awarded Man of the Match every time they play together for England? Even Delph & Carrick outperform Henderson for England
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OH my god, believe me, I'm not!
And Jacky Boy gets man of the match from the media, who have a very obvious agenda. Raise a star to watch it crumble. It's Wilshere's destiny to be built up and smashed to pieces. You're obviously not old enough to have seen how many times this has happened before. The sad thing is people don't even remember the players names after they've been dropped. Does Kieron Dyer ring a bell to you? Or Lee Bowyer? Maybe Francis Jeffers is one more close to home? Or Gabriel Agbonlahor? Nathan Delafouneso? Joe Cole?
That's Jack's future.
Unfortunately for Jack, he was billed as the new Scholes or Gazza early on, not just a good youngster. Someone really truly special, and he's not. He fall is going to be brutal when people realise he's 26, never played consistently well of for longer than a few months. Never improved since he was 18 and never even nailed down his position properly.
See David Bentley being the new David Beckham.
I actually think it's a valid debate that Henderson is better than Ramsey and Wilshere. He's more consistent and less frustrating than Ramsey, and more effective all round than Wilshere. But qualifying it with words like "much" is either poor trolling or crass ignorance. We're talking of facking Henderson, not Scholes or Xavi.
"And Jacky Boy gets man of the match from the media, who have a very obvious agenda. Raise a
star to watch it crumble."
Yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Clearly, none of the media have any brains to think for themselves unlike your clever self. The players you compared with Wilshere are really silly comparisons. Most of those were passing fancies lasting anything between weeks and a year. Wilshere has shown immense promise in the public eye since 2009.
"I actually think it's a valid debate that Henderson is better than Ramsey"
At what?
When it comes to the sport of football, there is no comparison. Ramsey has shown that he can play at a level Henderson couldn't possibly reach.
Even last season, Ramsey outscored Hendo in far less games/minutes having had 3 separate hamstring injuries.
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posted on 14/8/15
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Having said that Wenger playing him on the wing hasn't helped.
Minutes on the pitch is what matters most, playing on the wing shoudl help him, look at Jordan Henderson as an example, he played 30 games on the right under Kenny and was pretty poor, but that time on the pitch has helped him develop into a good cm who is constantly improving.
Minutes on the pitch at that pivotal age in the development cycle are key, that's why Wenger played him wide right.
So again logic dictates it's the fans fault.
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Henderson is still average
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Anyone but an Arsenal fan would take Henderson over Ramsey or Wilshere at this point mate, and I'm a United fan.
Henderson nutted up, worked hard and blossomed into a very effective footballer on his day, and gained some leadership ability. He's now been made Liverpool captain because of his attitude and tenacity. That's worth more than Ramsey and Wilshere have right this point by a long, long way. All the potential doesn't mean F all if you don't start to fulfil it!
posted on 14/8/15
Ramsey was getting plenty of minutes in the middle, and still does at times. My point was that he has been shifted around a lot, which hasn't helped him settle in any position.
I know your probably wumming, but you can't blame the fans for a players drop in form. He was a big fan favourite during the 13/14 season, and before the leg break, and during the months following it. The fans only started to get annoyed once his attitude seem to suddenly change.
posted on 14/8/15
"didnt he it the bar with that shot??"
Nope. That was another one. This one bobbled out.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 second ago
didnt he it the bar with that shot??
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Nope. it was wide of Adrian right post.
Westham were well exposed on the right as Cresswell had tuck in too much. We also had an overload in their box and any cross from Debuchy would very likely have been swept in.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by The Year of the Ox (U7080)
posted 40 seconds ago
Ramsey was getting plenty of minutes in the middle, and still does at times. My point was that he has been shifted around a lot, which hasn't helped him settle in any position.
I know your probably wumming, but you can't blame the fans for a players drop in form. He was a big fan favourite during the 13/14 season, and before the leg break, and during the months following it. The fans only started to get annoyed once his attitude seem to suddenly change.
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You should want Wilshere and Ramsey scrapped mate.
posted on 14/8/15
Number 4
Quit talking nonsense.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hyp... (U7978)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Having said that Wenger playing him on the wing hasn't helped.
Minutes on the pitch is what matters most, playing on the wing shoudl help him, look at Jordan Henderson as an example, he played 30 games on the right under Kenny and was pretty poor, but that time on the pitch has helped him develop into a good cm who is constantly improving.
Minutes on the pitch at that pivotal age in the development cycle are key, that's why Wenger played him wide right.
So again logic dictates it's the fans fault.
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Henderson is still average
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He's clearly a good cm, not great but good
posted on 14/8/15
Henderson is a good player. Knows his place. And that he's job is to wrestle players around.
Doesn't think he's Ronaldinho like Ramsey.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 11 seconds ago
Henderson is a good player. Knows his place. And that he's job is to wrestle players around.
Doesn't think he's Ronaldinho like Ramsey.
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The play that really grates me is when he tries to scoop the ball over the defence when a simpler pass will suffice.
Find myself yelling at the TV anytime the Welshman is in possession lately.
posted on 14/8/15
Tbh if he doesn't sort out this selfish nonsense he has had for the past two years by the end of the season I'd want him gone. Can't have a player like him who thinks it's all about him.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 8 minutes ago
Number 4
Quit talking nonsense.
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I'm here to help Dubbed. WIlshere and Ramsey aren't players you'll be able to rely on and win titles trying to lean on in the tough parts of the season. They're not those players.
posted on 14/8/15
I always thought that about Ramsey, looks like he could be a decent player but is unbelievably selfish in his play. I remember last season he could have put Ozil in the game where you smashed Liverpool but it was 0-0 at the time and instead he tried to take a player on and shoot. Ozil was clean through. Some of the shots he takes border on the ridiculous aswell.
posted on 14/8/15
Anyone but an Arsenal fan would take Henderson over Ramsey or Wilshere at this point mate, and I'm a United fan.
Henderson nutted up, worked hard and blossomed into a very effective footballer on his day, and gained some leadership ability. He's now been made Liverpool captain because of his attitude and tenacity. That's worth more than Ramsey and Wilshere have right this point by a long, long way. All the potential doesn't mean F all if you don't start to fulfil it!
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In 13-14, Ramsey got 16 goals & 9 assists in 30 starts, including an excellent goal that ended a 9-year title drought.
But you'd rather have a workhorse because he was given an armband... by a manager who thought signing Balotelli was a good idea
posted on 14/8/15
Yeh I wouldn't rather have Henderson over either of those two. At least they have some potential. Henderson is dog.
posted on 14/8/15
Henderson offers nuch nore right now than either of those two and can play for more than a few games in a row.
posted on 14/8/15
much more*
posted on 14/8/15
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 24 minutes ago
Anyone but an Arsenal fan would take Henderson over Ramsey or Wilshere at this point mate, and I'm a United fan.
Henderson nutted up, worked hard and blossomed into a very effective footballer on his day, and gained some leadership ability. He's now been made Liverpool captain because of his attitude and tenacity. That's worth more than Ramsey and Wilshere have right this point by a long, long way. All the potential doesn't mean F all if you don't start to fulfil it!
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In 13-14, Ramsey got 16 goals & 9 assists in 30 starts, including an excellent goal that ended a 9-year title drought.
But you'd rather have a workhorse because he was given an armband... by a manager who thought signing Balotelli was a good idea
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Haha keep trying lad. Title drougnt. No.
Ramsey played well for 6 months in 6 years. Form is temporary, class is permanent. That works both ways and Ramsey's a mugs player.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by The Number 4 Shirt - I don't actually want Pedro =/ (U19487)
Henderson offers much more right now than either of those two and can play for more than a few games in a row.
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You're just sore Ramsey rejected United in 2008
Ramsey's the best box-to-box CM in the league. The stats prove it.
And if Hendo offers more than Wilshere, why does Wilshere get awarded Man of the Match every time they play together for England? Even Delph & Carrick outperform Henderson for England
posted on 14/8/15
Let's face it if you had henderson's 'talent', you should do nothing but work hard and keep your head down.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 4 minutes ago
Let's face it if you had henderson's 'talent', you should do nothing but work hard and keep your head down.
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posted on 14/8/15
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Number 4 Shirt - I don't actually want Pedro =/ (U19487)
Henderson offers much more right now than either of those two and can play for more than a few games in a row.
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You're just sore Ramsey rejected United in 2008
Ramsey's the best box-to-box CM in the league. The stats prove it.
And if Hendo offers more than Wilshere, why does Wilshere get awarded Man of the Match every time they play together for England? Even Delph & Carrick outperform Henderson for England
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OH my god, believe me, I'm not!
And Jacky Boy gets man of the match from the media, who have a very obvious agenda. Raise a star to watch it crumble. It's Wilshere's destiny to be built up and smashed to pieces. You're obviously not old enough to have seen how many times this has happened before. The sad thing is people don't even remember the players names after they've been dropped. Does Kieron Dyer ring a bell to you? Or Lee Bowyer? Maybe Francis Jeffers is one more close to home? Or Gabriel Agbonlahor? Nathan Delafouneso? Joe Cole?
That's Jack's future.
posted on 14/8/15
Unfortunately for Jack, he was billed as the new Scholes or Gazza early on, not just a good youngster. Someone really truly special, and he's not. He fall is going to be brutal when people realise he's 26, never played consistently well of for longer than a few months. Never improved since he was 18 and never even nailed down his position properly.
See David Bentley being the new David Beckham.
posted on 14/8/15
I actually think it's a valid debate that Henderson is better than Ramsey and Wilshere. He's more consistent and less frustrating than Ramsey, and more effective all round than Wilshere. But qualifying it with words like "much" is either poor trolling or crass ignorance. We're talking of facking Henderson, not Scholes or Xavi.
posted on 14/8/15
"And Jacky Boy gets man of the match from the media, who have a very obvious agenda. Raise a
star to watch it crumble."
Yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Clearly, none of the media have any brains to think for themselves unlike your clever self. The players you compared with Wilshere are really silly comparisons. Most of those were passing fancies lasting anything between weeks and a year. Wilshere has shown immense promise in the public eye since 2009.
posted on 14/8/15
"I actually think it's a valid debate that Henderson is better than Ramsey"
At what?
When it comes to the sport of football, there is no comparison. Ramsey has shown that he can play at a level Henderson couldn't possibly reach.
Even last season, Ramsey outscored Hendo in far less games/minutes having had 3 separate hamstring injuries.
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